posted August 02, 2011 12:19 AM            

There have been some stories on there that are just heartbreaking, where folks have hoarded so much stuff, that they have cornered themselves into one small area of their homes, and they have to defecate and such in plastic bags. In one show, they removed thousands and thousands of pounds of human waste from a woman's home.
That one made me just sit and sob.

I notice the common theme is that this happens most of the time after a death.
Sometimes it happens after a divorce too.

posted August 02, 2011 12:26 AM            

everytime i see a messy house i just have this urge to go their and clean it all. But it is one of the saddest things because people really get attached to things, it really means something to them whether its a fond memory of something in their past that they just dont want to let go of.

and i get so emotional when they start crying because it truly is like throwing a big part of yourself out in the trash even if it is materalistic things. we just get so attached. but i admire those who are willing to throw them out because it shows they want to change and make a better living situation for themselves.

posted August 02, 2011 12:33 AM            

Being a Taurus do you hold on to stuff too?
My FIL is a Taurus and he rents extra garages to store stuff. My deceased Taurus grandpa was the same way.
Actually, most FIXED suns that I know go overboard with the keeping stuff that they "might need" later on.
Nothing wrong with a little of that, I always think it's cold hearted when people throw away their kids drawings or things like that, you know?

I guess the urge to hoard is just more or less a version of OCD, it's a repetitive action disorder. They find safety and security in their actions.

posted August 02, 2011 01:12 AM            

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Originally posted by GypseeWind:
I think we have a psychic connection b/c I had a strong feeling you would reply to this Deppy!

Being a Taurus do you hold on to stuff too?
My FIL is a Taurus and he rents extra garages to store stuff. My deceased Taurus grandpa was the same way.
Actually, most FIXED suns that I know go overboard with the keeping stuff that they "might need" later on.
Nothing wrong with a little of that, I always think it's cold hearted when people throw away their kids drawings or things like that, you know?

I guess the urge to hoard is just more or less a version of OCD, it's a repetitive action disorder. They find safety and security in their actions.

I wish they could all get help too!

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lol hey gypsee maybe we do have a connection going lol.

too be honest i dont really own that much stuff most of the time im giving my stuff away. i have some things that i value way to much to just dump.

i tend to clean out once a month just to thin some things out.

posted August 02, 2011 03:05 PM            

I don't really totally understand the compulsion. I mean, I can understand the idea of somebody dying and you get their stuff and you have a hard time parting with it.. I get that, it happened to me. There is a sense of guilt in letting it go, and also there is a feeling of like.. Person X touched this, wore this, etc. etc.

BUT,, I don't understand the ones that have this disorder so badly that they cannot throw away their own trash. Like they literally keep every piece of trash from everything they cook or buy. That is beyond my comprehension. I guess it's a control/security thing.

Deppy, I'm pretty good about throwing stuff away. I did have four family members die in the early part of the 2000's and I was keeping it in storage for awhile, but I got tired of it.
I have Sag sun/venus and a 6th h stellium, so my saggie/virgo-ish-ness gets a little creeped out by clutter and by the feeling of having to 'take care of stuff'.

I saw on a website once where they suggested to someone with this problem (not as bad of a problem as the show) to photograph the actual items, and then donate the real items, and keep the photograph. I like simple, logical ideas like that.

posted August 02, 2011 07:04 PM            

I don`t understand compulsions so I can`t speak of them but it must be one awful depressing and painful disease. For all involved.

posted August 02, 2011 08:22 PM            

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BUT,, I don't understand the ones that have this disorder so badly that they cannot throw away their own trash. Like they literally keep every piece of trash from everything they cook or buy. That is beyond my comprehension. I guess it's a control/security thing.

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posted August 03, 2011 01:10 AM            

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Originally posted by GypseeWind:
Yes, Sand, they do go back and do update shows, I just saw one a couple of weeks ago.
Unfortunately, a highter percentage of them revert back to the way it was before, and some of them get even worse, b/c it's like they are starting with a clean slate.

No, I've never seen this movie, I'm going to look it up on youtube right now.
That last name is familiar, wasn't that Jackie Kennedy's last name before she got married?

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posted August 03, 2011 10:04 AM            

i remember when i was growing up, there was this house that was surrounded by piles and piles of dump. the guy picked out from garbage of others from the community and made a fortress out of them. i remember my mother being outraged because she threw away some private papers hidden inside the broken sewing machine, and it ended up in his yard. he was even on local TV as a peculiar "recycling" uncle. (if you call hoarding "recycle" )

posted August 03, 2011 03:48 PM            

I watched Grey Gardens. OH,, Oh, is what I gotta say about the Beales! I found Little Edie fascinating, so I had to look her up and she is a Scorpio sun, Leo Moon.
See, fixed. It's almost like a stubborn, I'm not gonna do it cause you say I should kinda thing.. but I do think there was some mental illness there too.

I'm scared to hoard online!! What if online goes away?? What if we have some kind of global failure and we have like a post apocolyptic world! Ahhh! I watch too many movies. I watched 'The Road' twice.
They had to eat bugs, nuff said about that.

posted August 03, 2011 05:14 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
have you ever seen grey gardens? the docu or the drew barrymore remake? they're not exactly hoarders coz they never went out much but i think it's a similar emotion they're feeling.

anyways i don't watch it often and have only caught glimpses but do they ever go back to a house? coz i'm pretty sure if it's cleaned and emptied there's still a very high chance it will revert back into what it was.

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No I saw the original, it's on my TO BUY amazon list. Love it, they're so mad.

Hoarders are special cases, very lost in some way and they transfer feelings to objects. I don't understand it, I am the opposite too quick to throw something away cos it makes me crazy to see it sit there and not doing anything.
What I know of 2 hoarders, 1 of em approaching reality show craziness the other tame but still in the realm, one has moon taurus, sun conj jupiter, the other has sun conj venus and h9 stellium, both have pluto conj asc and tenanted h12.

posted August 03, 2011 05:48 PM            

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Originally posted by GypseeWind:
See, fixed. It's almost like a stubborn, I'm not gonna do it cause you say I should kinda thing

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posted August 03, 2011 09:56 PM            

I did see one about chickens that was terrible. And the woman was so mean, it was very difficult to feel compassionate towards her.

posted August 04, 2011 12:25 AM            

I just thought of five hoarders I know of:
#1- Aqua sun/ Leo Asc
#2- Aqua sun/ Scorp Asc
#3- Aqua sun/ Pisces Asc
#4- Aqua sun/ Cap asc
#5- Virgo sun/ Scorp Moon

Sorry I can't go in as deep into their astro as you, I lost all the data in my astro acct last year, so I'm building it back up again, and at this point going by memory only.
At any rate, I could see water playing a part in the sentimental type of hoarders.

I have a pic, this tub belongs to the Aqua sun/scorp asc hoarder:

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My daughter was selling stuff at a flea market and she didn't have enough to fill the space, so this person offered this very large and deep tub full of unopened and unused electronics, because he had several more tubs with the same or similiar contents. Everything he buys, he buys two and three of. If there is a sale, he will buy even more.
It's to the point where when he wants something, he HAS to go and buy it because he can't find what he's looking for IN the hoard itself.
This is basically kept to his two garages and a full basement. But already two people have gotten hurt trying to get around piles and boxes. It's worrisome to me.

posted August 04, 2011 12:31 AM            

I ask because the person I was speaking about with the pic above, grew up in a large family. They were pretty poor, and his mother was very un-affectionate.
I think his shopoholic-ness is directly linked to this things.

posted August 04, 2011 01:11 AM            

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No I saw the original, it's on my TO BUY amazon list. Love it, they're so mad.

Hoarders are special cases, very lost in some way and they transfer feelings to objects. I don't understand it, I am the opposite too quick to throw something away cos it makes me crazy to see it sit there and not doing anything.
What I know of 2 hoarders, 1 of em approaching reality show craziness the other tame but still in the realm, one has moon taurus, sun conj jupiter, the other has sun conj venus and h9 stellium, both have pluto conj asc and tenanted h12.

"there's still a very high chance it will revert back into what it was."
---O yea, a lot of em can't stick to it. They hold onto things cos they think they don't have anyone/thing else. It's so limiting, but it's self imposed..

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they remind me very much of my aquarius 4th house/ neptune in 3rd family. they share the same inability to cope with the ups and downs. the beale's basically had an ice cream diet lol! so there's something there about needing comfort.

i think hoarders might have some water in them more than fixed. maybe even fixed water= scorpio but could be cancer/ pisces as well. attaching emotions to things.

i have an aspect myself that might make me hoard because of the fear of not being able to produce again (so iv read). just hafta fight that thought i guess but i acknowledge the fear is there.

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I knew a Scorp Sun conj scorp asc lady with Moon in aqua and MANNNN her house was almost bare, not one object in that place was taking up unnecessary space and everything in there was placed with *complete* thoughtfulness and everything shopped for with complete thoughtfulness too, you could tell right away the huge amount of attn paid to the placement. Almost has a rigid zen like quality if that makes sense. Couldn't even see lil trash cans in there she always used plastic grocery bags when working on something and promptly threw them away in the big trash can in garage when finished.

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posted August 04, 2011 01:20 AM            

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Originally posted by GypseeWind:
I'm scared to hoard online!! What if online goes away?? What if we have some kind of global failure and we have like a post apocolyptic world! Ahhh! I watch too many movies. I watched 'The Road' twice.
They had to eat bugs, nuff said about that.

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weird my home computer is perpetually empty just like the way i want a house to be. no media. almost nothing but what it came with. i just have a habit of erasing stuff i guess. ack maybe i have an opposite compulsion! i use a planner instead of a BB and i tear out the pages when the day is past. maybe it's my scorp rising. i don't like leaving a trace. ugh totally useless in everyday life it's not like i work for the CIA or something.

posted August 04, 2011 09:31 AM            

Why were they so broke, do you know?
And Edie never married, even after her Mother died? I wonder if she had any boyfriends.
I had to giggle when she was reading the horoscope book, and she said, "I keep falling for Sagittarius', and I'm not supposed to."

posted August 04, 2011 11:18 AM            

i think she was very old when her mom died. maybe she wasn't as beautiful. i dunno. i think she suffered from hair loss that's why the cloth is wrapped around the head. i loled at the astro book too! plus she was harping on about libra men. also paranoid about the gardener.