posted October 08, 2011 02:58 PM            

I seem to date "guys" and attract a lot of "guys" instead of men, but deep down I know why I do.

It's, because deep down I'm not a woman..I'm just a "gal".

posted October 08, 2011 08:41 PM            

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Originally posted by starfox:
Its weird to be a MAN in these days.
A genuine Male identity has been eroded and disfigured.
We are told to be tough, but gentle at the same time.
To only show emotion when our football team wins, to weep is to be weak.

What can you do with such restriction?
turn it inwards..turn it outwards..turn it nowhere at all..?

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posted October 08, 2011 09:00 PM            

Still, I'd be careful about saying any hippie who didn't live up to a standard wasn't a "true hippie" as that's a No True Scotsman fallacy. And even not counting the Manson cult there were still others, such as the Unicorn Killer.

Since others quoted movies, I think I'll copy a favorite scene from a favorite book of mine, one that shows hippies in both a good and bad light. The following is from Summer of Love (and I noticed some of the reviews say, or at least imply, they were in 1967 San Francisco and it was accurate on how both beautiful and messed up it was, and the background reminded me of what Granny had to say of the time as well):
BEGIN SCENE:

Broken glass. Bits of it scattered on the deck, a hole in the window. That's what Ruby sees first. Then the kitchen door cracked open like a wound.

Sweet Isis! Her heart leaps. For a moment, she feels like she's floating. Superstitions she always held about owning a gun--if you get one, you'll attract bad energy and sure as **** you'll end up having to use it--leap to mind, instantly proving their truth. She draws the Beretta, hands shaking so hard she couldn't hit the side of a barn. She swings the door open, cursing the squeak she never got around to oiling, and creeps inside.

A man bends over her turntable in the living room, plucking plugs from the wall socket. On the floor, by his feet, lies the disconnected amplifier, plus one of her speakers.

"I've got a gun!" she says. "So you can stop what you're doing right now, sonny, and turn around, nice and slow."

The man turns, Gorgon's face is a mask, deadpan, dead. A scrap of paper falls from his hand to the floor like a dry leaf.

"Leo!"

She stares. And it dawns on her: she knows that look, knows the grim purpose chiseled in crystallized flesh. She looks at his arms, but his jacket sleeves go to his wrists. She can't see his tracks. Doesn't matter. She knows. And it's terrible, like a death and a grieving. Not Gorgon, she thinks.

Uh-huh, Gorgon.

She pulls herself up all her nearly six feet. "What do you think you're doing, Leo?"

"I'm liberatin' your stereo for the revolution."

"What revolution?"

He shrugs. "You can only be free if you live outside the private property premise of this ****** country. If you participate in that, you can't change anythin'. You can't change yourself."

"What are you changing by stealing my stereo, Leo?"

He shrugs again. "The love shuck changes nothin'. We must destroy the United States of America."

"My father died for the United States of America. My father was Cherokee."

"Then he died for nothin'. He was a stupid redskin who died for a shuck."

"Don't you call my pa stupid!"

"You understand nothin' of the dialectics of liberation. You're one of the oppressors."

"Oppressors, uh-huh. I got me a business, sonny. Thanks to my ma and my pa and working hard, I got my own little piece of free enterprise. That's not oppression. That's success."

"Oh, you got yours," he says sardonically. "You got yours, Ruby A. Maverick."

Without taking her eyes off him, she stoops and retrieves the scrap of paper he dropped.

SHUCKING THE REVOLUTION. YOU WILL PAY, CAPITALIST PIG. BE ADVISED.

"You!" Her head suddenly throbs in syncopation to the pounding of her heart. "Taking me to bed, and messing with my head." She is too disgusted to summon outrage. "Why?"

"Why? Because you are. You are a capitalist pig, with your kraut car an' your metaphysics shuck an' your bank account."

"I'm putting up a runaway and a tourist in my home for free. I'm feeding people, I donate to the Free Clinic, I--"

"**** your charity. You're not changin' things with your charity, man. You say you're not Standard Oil, but you're wrong. I've seen your trip with my own eyes, that's why. You're no different, that's why. When the revolution comes, I'll be after you with a gun." He grins. "You'll be the first one I off."

She's speechless for one of the rare moments of her life. Her head spins. She thinks of Chiron and his self-righteous cosmicists with their domes and gardens, their sky-seeding and telespace. Their anger at the past.

Do the Leo Gorgons of the world tear down the system for the good of the people? In 1967? By 2467?

No. Somewhere, in between all these polarities, there has got to be a New Explanation. Do the cosmicist possess it? Maybe, maybe not. But they're still searching for new values after five hundred years.

She shakes with fury. "Right now, I got the gun, and your revolution is a shuck, Leo Gorgon. Get out of my house."

He eyes the gun, eyes her. Can he take it from her, will he try? But no, he's got the shakes. Sweat bands on his forehead. From his habit, not from his fear.

He goes, banging the back door.

She stands, stunned, in her shadowed living room. Her cats slide out of the shadows where they've been hiding and wrap themselves around her ankles.

She lifts the Beretta. So strange to see her hand gripping this alien scrap of metal, knuckles taut. The nickel gleams. Only then does she realize she never loaded the magazine. The gun is empty, a husk, without the means to its end.

posted October 08, 2011 09:13 PM            

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Today's women are ragged from trying to be everything. They insist it can be done.
May be they do it.

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It makes so much sense I have already posted in a thread about how Gender Role Reversals can be detrimental in the long run!
I would like to quote it here once again-

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Neither of them are superior in a way that each of them have their own unique abilities and attributes.
Both of them complement each other each other's strengths and weaknesses, that's how it should be ... A little bit of both.
But they cannot be compared to each other in terms of equality.

“In the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of
woman. For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything
comes from God.”
"Man and woman have the same value
Both are created in God’s image
Both were given authority over the earth.
Man and Woman do not have the same role:
Man was created first in relation to her and is to lead;
Woman was created second in relation to him, and is to complement him."
I believe there is no substitution or duplication between a man and a woman. that is the essence of creation in order to supplement each other through our attributes.
Adam and Eve were created equal in God’s sight. Within the context of their equality, God assigned men and women different roles. He made Adam first, signifying his unique role as leader and initiator. He created Eve from Adam and brought her to Adam to be his helper in the tasks God had assigned him. She was made to complement, nourish, and help her husband. God’s greatest gift to man was “a helper suitable for him” (Genesis 2:18)."

This doesn’t minimize a woman’s role, but it does define it.

Men and women were created equal, yet different. And the fact that we’re different and complement each other is wonderful.

I believe this is what even linda was alluding to!
"women have been tempted and persuaded to believe
that their equality and power must be symbolized, as well as gained
through the adoption of masculine thought processes
dress, manners, speech -- and behavioral patterns of the man
and this is incredibly self-defeating

for the great influence of the feminine Soul
directed by the awesome Power of the Feminine Goddess
of each Feminine 'I'
cannot regain its lost powers..through the alchemy of abdicating

the very essence of femininity itself

and if it continues, it will bring the inevitable and self-defeating result
of the struggle of women to emerge..to have been in vain"

Is'nt that more than clear?
It is not about the struggle of superiority by donning the cloak of a man...We are what we are with all our flaws and strengths.
This essence of feminity cannot be abdicated instead has to be complemented with the essence of masculinity in order to fullfill each other.

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"May be they can do it.
I cannot."

No they cannot do it.Its just that they pretend to do it!
I have tried to keep an air of masculinity about me.Which proved to be a fallacious approach time and again.I collasped many a times trying to fit myself into a faux male identity.
I realised my mistake and today I feel relieved to accept myself and embrace myself of my feminine qualities.It gives immense pleasure to say-I am, what I am.

Whether it be any female role as that of a Mother,sister,wife,Daughter,...I will try to live upto it with all its wonderful qualities of nurturing,caring,understanding,serving,
generosity,loyalty,gentleness by either being the girl next door or a Woman of Substance.

I am not one of those kinds who thinks
A HOUSE WIFE is a derogatory term and hence coined a new term for it 'THE HOME MAKER'!hehee.

posted October 08, 2011 09:24 PM            

PS.
The Adam and Eve story is not the first creation story in the Old Testaments.
That is the story of the faux god and his Eden Zoo.
The first story is of the creator god and no Adam and Eve, and no man woman from man nonsense.

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Genesis 1
verse 26:
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30: And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

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7: And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8: And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9: And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

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15: And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16: And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
18: And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

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21: And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22: And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23: And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

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posted October 08, 2011 09:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Maka:
Something my Libra dad use to tell me is: "In order to find the one you gotta be the "one"

I seem to date "guys" and attract a lot of "guys" instead of men, but deep down I know why I do.

It's, because deep down I'm not a woman..I'm just a "gal".

..And that's a hard pill to swallow, but now that I'm single again I'm going to work on growing into a woman.

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Dear Maka,
I have read your thread the other day.
Im happy for you.Its never too late to realise what we are.Sometimes we do act like jerks.It is no fault of ours.We are humans.We are flawed.But the fact remains that we tend to realise our mistakes and strive towards not repeating it ever again.
That is where we pass in learning the lessons of life.
It takes so many joyful amd painful experiences inorder to understand gods purpose in our lives.
We are all Learning and Growing! Each day brings us new wisdom only if we are prepared to dive into the process of self realisation.
The choices that we make will definitely take us a long way...We must be prepared to make the right choices.

posted October 08, 2011 09:43 PM            

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Originally posted by starfox:
Its weird to be a MAN in these days.
A genuine Male identity has been eroded and disfigured.
We are told to be tough, but gentle at the same time.
To only show emotion when our football team wins, to weep is to be weak.

What can you do with such restriction?
turn it inwards..turn it outwards..turn it nowhere at all..?

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Starfox,
Ask your heart..It will never lie to you.
If you are a male live upto it.If you are a female live upto it.In any case hold on to your values,commitments,morals,principles,
reservations,restrictions.Be what you are by always striving to better yourself.
They refine your character which inturn will define your destiny!

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Some people don't realize that there is a difference between female and feminine, or male and masculine. Their misfortune.So it is no different with male and female human beings. We also have energies that are specific to our genders.There is a modern myth that women and men are equal. This is one of the biggest lies that has emerged in recent times. Some would be upset with my stating this, but that doesn't make it any less true. Equality is a mathematical concept, and there are no two human beings that are equal. However, there is a kind of equality that pertains to the inherent human value of each person. There is a social equality, in that sense. The social role assignment was anciently assigned with an acknowledgement and an understanding of where people's strengths were. From the remotest antiquity, there have been men's mysteries, and women's mysteries.

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posted October 08, 2011 10:55 PM            

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Originally posted by rajji:
Lexx I do understand your point of view.But im sorry I cannot quite agree to it.
As usual there are exceptions to any rule.
We are not talking about those exceptions here.
Though Hippies are not violent and harmful.
They can never serve to live up to an example to look upto.
I cannot recommend it as a way of lifestyle to anybody no matter how good they are.
Only those who feel dejected and no longer want to face any problems opt for such a lifestyle.I have seen enough examples and newspaper clippings and heard enough of them to have to arrive to my kind of outlook towards them.
I cannot symphatise with them. I have seen parents who got devastated when their children joined such cults...Lovers who became forlorn...Families torn apart by them.It took them years of strugggle to get them out of it-drugs,sex,booze et all.
Swingers belonging to the affluent class is a thing of the past.Now every class and creed of the society is into it.I would say it is merely an evolution of a hippie/faux hippie cult.

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Sure some did get high in the 60s and 70s.
However that was not what we were about.
Here is a link to some of what we were about and it is not the gross ugliness you attribute to us. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippie

We were in essence the forerunners of the new age movements, health food, environmental protections, furthering of basic human rights, anti war, and more good things.
Our "gurus" were such as;
the notable influences the religious and spiritual teachings of Henry David Thoreau, Hillel the Elder, Jesus, Buddha, St. Francis of Assisi, Gandhi, and J.R.R. Tolkien

posted October 09, 2011 12:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
You two need to take a breather. Neither of you is going to change the other one's mind, so it's okay to simply agree to disagree.

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posted October 10, 2011 01:20 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
My mother managed to do it all, but ran herself into the ground trying, and we didn't get as much time with her as we would have liked. I loved it when we were in California, before she got another job outside of the home; we got to spend all sorts of time with her, that we'd missed out on.

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Teasel
{{{hugs}}}

posted October 10, 2011 01:48 PM            

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Originally posted by rajji:
.... im happy that I found a much better father than I could have ever asked for!

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posted October 13, 2011 09:38 PM            

I told this to one of my friends too. If you want to find the one, you have to become worthy of the one. New Age fallacies would have you believe that it's okay to be stagnant and remain who you are because it's perfect but the truth is far from it. Yes, you do have perfection within you but it has to be developed so it can be expressed in the outside world.

AS ABOVE, SO BELOW.
AS WITH-IN, SO WITH-OUT.

If you want a perfect person to love then first you have to become a perfect person so that they will also love you in return. If you want someone who is patient, develop patience within yourself. If you want someone strong, first develop your own strength, For like attracts like.

A grass makes grass, a weed makes weed.

Whatever qualities you desire in another, first develop them within yourself. If you desire loyalty, be loyal yourself. It is a basic Universal Frequency.

The world is your reflection and it everyone is a mirror. They only reflect what we hold inside.

You are young. Love will come but not if you look for it outside. Discover it within and you shall find it.

Love and Peace to you my friend