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RegardesPlatero
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posted May 01, 2012 05:23 PM
  
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katatonic
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posted May 01, 2012 05:41 PM
i was just reading about a study done by harvard, years ago, where a bunch of students were asked a long list of questions...a certain segment of said questions was about how they perceived their parents' ability to convey love to them as they grew up.4 categories. both parents very loving. mother very loving, father not. father very loving, mother not. and neither parent very loving. (as perceived by the subjects) 35 years later the first (2xloving) group had incidence of 25% suffering from traditional "ageing" diseases and conditions. the two onexlovingparent groups had about 60% incidence, and the last, 2xnotloving parents, 87%. this throws light on the NECESSITY of ageing being difficult and painful. and perhaps one important reason why some of us suffer through it and others don't? i know "older" folk who complain consistently about growing old and all the things they can't do or now HAVE to do because of it. and i know people the same age(s) who seem to be full of life and never equate ageing with trials... there is no objective reason i can see that ageing has to be a curse. however probably the best antidote is to keep your focus on what you can do and what is RIGHT with your life, ie lots of love in its numerous expressions, and particularly the ability to be kind to yourself (as learned at your parents' "knees")...? personally i don't really care how long my life is but i intend it to be full and happy. and so far it mostly is!! IP: Logged |
hippichick
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posted May 01, 2012 07:06 PM
Regards, I just dont know....I have known people who dread it, and people who welcome it and people who just accept it. I have seen the ramifications of all. Personally, I have vowed (am 50 now, recently, Pisces sun, Scorp asc, Taurus moon)my entire life to "grow old gracefully." The only thing I have ever done as far as false things to my body is hilite my hair, lol! AND I want to be totally consious when I die, morbid, I know, but I want to experience the act of dying and when it is time, tomorrow or 50 years from now, I am ready. I am not afraid of aging, I see it as part of natural progression of the life process. Like you commented on the other thread, as natural to me as birth, and I so, so respect both the aging process and death~ I have always had an affinity for old folks, my grandparents raised me in part with my mom, so I have always been exposed to the second generation above me, maybe that is it. I so respect old folks and so find them as beautiful, both physically and spiritually as younger folks. Sagging skin, cataratct, hearing aids, hunched backs does not repel me but makes me appreciate their beauty and wisdom. I just think it is part of one's personality. I dunno...but nothing changed me, I have always been like this! blessins terri~ IP: Logged |
hippichick
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posted May 01, 2012 07:15 PM
I will add a twist, tho.As an ICU RN, I have often wondered, and believe me OFTEN that, perhaps, we keep folks from the natural process a bit longer than they were supposed to be? This is a huge quandry for me, as I have always questioned that creator gave us technology, but do we use it inappropriately? Do we keep these lovely aging folks from their soul progression by artificial medical means, (ie pills, etc.) by interfearing? This will always be an issue with me. I have to divide the line where, when life is still good, folks are on meds and still have a quality of life, then fine, but when they have to take so many pills just to keep alive (and I wont even go there about life support), I do wonder??? t~~~ IP: Logged |
hippichick
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posted May 01, 2012 07:20 PM
Got onto an elevator today, with a very aged man, Mexican in culture, hunched back, very grey hair, etc...There were no buttons pressed. I say in a kind and kind of flitratious way... "where are ya going?" He responds, fully mentally intact and kinds of jokes it away about his daydreaming and his age... He made me smile, I smiled and said "I look forward to someday being able to daydream just like you..." IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 01, 2012 07:31 PM
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sand
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posted May 02, 2012 02:28 AM
 I hear it happens to Asian dudes too. Like one day..  Then poof!  IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero
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posted May 02, 2012 06:27 AM
I'm terrified of dementia, for one thing. That possibility scares the hell out of me. We don't have it in my family (I asked and looked into it), but still...having seen what it can do to a person (outside of my family), I would rather be dead than live through that. I'd rather be dead than in a nursing home, too.It just frustrates me that there seems to be nothing to look forward to: sure, some people never have any health issues, but how do you know if that someone will be you? I try to take care of myself, but how do I know what will happen that I can't control? Is there any point to even living past a certain age if your life is just going to be s*it? I'm actually going to talk about it with my therapist this week. It really bothers me. And why did human bodies even have to end up like that? It just seems so sad to work hard all of your life, to gain wisdom, to try to be a good person, and then to have your health taken away, your body rotting away, and basically every part of who you were destroyed. Why are bodies like they are, and why couldn't they have ended up better? Why not be more durable, more curable, easier to heal and fix? Why does some damage have to be permanent and life-ruining? It just depresses me that, after a certain age, there might not be anything to look forward to but sickness, rotting away, and then death. It just makes me really sad and afraid. Death doesn't bother me so much, but all of the horrifying possibilities that can happen in life scare me. I guess I'm just trying to see if there is anything that is beautiful about being older, anything that doesn't suck, anything that's not horrible or frightening or part of a nightmare.
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hippichick
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posted May 02, 2012 07:26 AM
Well the good thing about dementia, is you dont know you have it, it is hard on the loved ones, but the patient lives a life of not knowing.My dear granny died of alzheimers at 94, she did not know squit from squat and that was good for her, cause to know one is that out of it would be terrible. The body is made to live only a certain number of years and aging is part of it. Organs give out. Even dogs get grey hair, cats and dogs get disorders, the dragonfly lives a day... Think of the progeria kids...now that is early suffering, but they always have a positive attitude and are great kids! Just the way creator made us. blessins terri~ IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero
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posted May 02, 2012 08:22 AM
quote:
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Well the good thing about dementia, is you dont know you have it, it is hard on the loved ones, but the patient lives a life of not knowing.My dear granny died of alzheimers at 94, she did not know squit from squat and that was good for her, cause to know one is that out of it would be terrible. The body is made to live only a certain number of years and aging is part of it. Organs give out. Even dogs get grey hair, cats and dogs get disorders, the dragonfly lives a day... Think of the progeria kids...now that is early suffering, but they always have a positive attitude and are great kids! Just the way creator made us. blessins terri~
I don't mind that people were only supposed to live a short while. That doesn't bug me. What bothers me is that some endure such a horrific life and such a poor quality life, and I'm afraid of becoming such a person.
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Venus
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posted May 02, 2012 08:49 AM
i think it was Homer who wrote of Achilles, Achilles when alive was given two choices either to live a long boring life where no one will remember him or a short lfe full of glory.. he chose to be a hero, and he was, he died young.. so according to Homer when Odysseus visited Hades (where all the dead ppl are) and met Achilles, he said to Odysseus,
"By god, I’d rather slave on earth for another man . . .
than rule down here over all the breathless dead."--i love this story  IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted May 02, 2012 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
I guess I'm just trying to see if there is anything that is beautiful about being older, anything that doesn't suck, anything that's not horrible or frightening or part of a nightmare.
There is. People start out happy, get miserable, then get happy again http://www.livescience.com/13788-happiness-lifetime.html
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juniperb
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posted May 02, 2012 09:29 AM
quote:
"By god, I’d rather slave on earth for another man . . .
than rule down here over all the breathless dead."
--i love this story
I do too venus. It is an excellent "life" story. We are born to die. A simple organic fact. We mature gracefully or with a sense of dread. Since I find dread is not an option, I live each day as a gift . Love, live and learn all you can while you can. ------------------
Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~ IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted May 02, 2012 09:29 AM
Healthy seniors and those having regular sex are actually the happiest: http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/health_stories/Seniors_Happier/2012/02/15/433958.html
http://www.newser.com/story/134400/sex-keeps-seniors-happier.html and don't forget to take your B-vitamins!  http://www.nutraingredients.com/Research/B-vitamins-may-lead-to-happier-seniors-Study IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted May 02, 2012 09:32 AM
All the research I've seen has led me to look forward to later life... to be able to let go of the rat race, the vanity, and just appreciate what I have. As long as I'm healthy in older age, I imagine I'll be one of those seniors that is happier than the young.
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NativelyJoan
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posted May 02, 2012 10:27 AM
@SAND! Ohhhh! Dennis Oh!! He's gorgeous! He's like a God walking the earth. Have you seen his Korean drama, Sweet Spy. Loved that show! 
He's got Venus in Libra, so sexy! Hey RP! To answer your question, I'm in my mid twenties like you and we've got time to better understand what it means to grow older. If anything as I age I feel like I'm becoming more of who I really am. I'm a transformer in a sense and I'm constantly being molded. Which I welcome. Aging/Evolving is like playing catch up for your soul. For me, it's not so much aging, but growing and evolving. I take care of my body, my mind and my soul and have faith that I'll continue to age well. I don't worry to much about changes to my physical body. I've got 8th house energy so rejuvenation is essential and so is regeneration. It's all a cycle and just a part of life. Libras of course, ruled by the Goddess of beauty herself, would like to be beautiful forever. But beauty is skin deep. One of my favorite actresses, Rita Hayworth, destroyed her body through out her life by abusing alcohol. I mean she looked in her 50s by her 30s. She was depressed and unhappy and didn't take care of herself. She was beautiful and would have aged wonderfully if she realized that beauty is skin deep and having a healthy body is having a healthy mind, heart and soul. It's a lesson to learn. I have anxiety, but not about aging. It's apart of living. Evolution is the point of growing and aging. It's one more step forward on the karmic ladder of life. What's more exciting then getting closer to the truth, to peace and happiness. Live your life completely, and make a difference. Old age will be a gift and a period to reflect on all the things you've accomplished, all the people you've touched and those that have touched you and how much the world has evolved. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted May 02, 2012 10:37 AM
Beautifully stated NJ!------------------
Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~ IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan
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posted May 02, 2012 11:36 AM
Thank you Juniperb  IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted May 02, 2012 01:20 PM
i think it is only natural when you are young to fear the loss of your beautiful skin, high energy, quick responses, mental agility, passion...but as you grow older you value some other things more, like the cliche "stopping to smell the roses" suggests, there is more in every moment when you are not in such a rush to take it all in...and the wiser among us devote their older years to better experiencing and communicating love to others, instead of shouldering their way through life to a better or more secure place (the rat race mentioned above)...and as far as dementia is concerned, i have an old friend (92 this year) who dreaded it more than anything, considering it as a "living death" as many of us do when we look in from the outside at dementia...however this woman had a stroke, could not really care for herself anymore, and was considering suicide..until one day she appears to have crossed over into actual dementia. she is now living quite happily in a place somewhere between here (she still recognizes those dear to her though they are older now) and the 60s, when she was in her "prime"...and her physical capabilities having returned, who is to say this is not a BETTER place than wishing one were actually dead? then there is the question of whether we ever really die...just finished reading a book by a scientist who has been conducting research into this, in the most rigorously controlled experimental milieu he could. if you believe your consciousness lives after you die, what is the point in rushing to death and missing the full experience of the physical? IP: Logged |
hippichick
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posted May 02, 2012 05:18 PM
There was once a proagram I watched, probably on one of the educational channels  that explained why we are set up to age physiologically and why we are aging physiologically later and later as generations pass.When I have time will try to find it! IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted May 02, 2012 05:48 PM
except apparently there is a body of evidence pointing to the next few generations being SHORTER-lived...due perhaps to pollution, pervasive sugar and other chemicals in our food, and anxiety bred by the free-for-all politicoeconomic atmosphere surrounding us at present.i don't personally care how long i live as long as i enjoy the life i have. as one person put it, our potential is so vast that straining all our lives to "live up to" our potential is a self-defeating practice. focus on what you are really drawn to, spread as much love as you can, reach your deathbed with as few regrets as possible... IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted May 02, 2012 05:50 PM
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum26/HTML/001133.html observations from a hospice nurse on the thoughts of those at death's door... IP: Logged |
sand
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posted May 03, 2012 05:03 AM
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@SAND! Ohhhh! Dennis Oh!! He's gorgeous! He's like a God walking the earth. Have you seen his Korean drama, Sweet Spy. Loved that show!
He's got Venus in Libra, so sexy!
Haha Joan I didnae know u were into half azn boys! A lot of Koreans say I resemble him a lot but who knows we all look d same to others. Like in HK I remember being on a flight with a pan Asian movie star and they took my pictures arriving thinking i was him bahaha! My sag dad hates hates that! He's all about keepin it real or something. He was girly in person, the movie star. I'll dig up my clearer more professional photos at least when I had the same hair. Don't worry I will make sure I have a shirt on! He is taller by miles tho. Have it but haven't seen it lol! Full house is my fav tho for obvious reasons.  IP: Logged |
sand
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posted May 03, 2012 05:19 AM
Iv been looking into growth hormones and stem cells actually. Well not lately but I've looked into them before. http://www.metro.co.uk/news/440498-meet-the-69-year-old-pin-up-boy This guy also takes it and he has a stay young book, which is kinda cheating lol! http://www.perriconemd.com/ He also seems to just preach the Tao of health, sex, and longevity diet. I dunno! I'm no nutritionist. The stem cells are a procedure and have only looked into it locally. No articles. Didn't read up coz it was $$$ anyway but I'm sure it's more there than it is here. IP: Logged |
pandacake
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posted May 03, 2012 05:23 AM
@Platero: I don't mind old age; however there'll always be a part of me that is afraid of severe health issues and losing my mind one day. What can I say, all I can do is stay joyous, optimistic and take care of myself and others around me.
Stay active, don't rest, people who feel they still need to do a lot, their body doesn't detoriate as fast. quote:
Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
Evolution is the point of growing and aging. It's one more step forward on the karmic ladder of life. What's more exciting then getting closer to the truth, to peace and happiness. Live your life completely, and make a difference. Old age will be a gift and a period to reflect on all the things you've accomplished, all the people you've touched and those that have touched you and how much the world has evolved.
This is wonderfully well put, just wanted to quote this. quote:
Originally posted by sand:
@Sand: This made my bf lol so hard.
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