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aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
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posted July 06, 2012 03:47 PM
  
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Originally posted by ghanima81:
That's very strange. But not every woman KNOWS what she wants, sadly. I think men are simple in their needs and wants, in the most raw sense, which is why the woman is dissected more and seen as more confusing. Although really, we analyze the heck out of every move you men make. Waste of time tbh, generally there are two things they are getting at in their actions, Yes or no. Apply those answers to any question you may have for a man's actions. Women.... you have to add a lot of gray area and what ifs...  You are heavily Aquarian in your chart, correct? I am as well, and spend a disproportionate amount of time thinking about things rather than just coming out and ASKING for clarification.
thats why i am no longer paying any attention to those signals. my experience has been that women only toy with me by pretending to be interested. i will not allow myself to look like a fool anymore. even though i may not be confident , i still have pride and will not be toyed with.
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David Bowie Eyes
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posted July 06, 2012 04:24 PM
Originally posted by aquaguy91:
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Originally posted by ghanima81:
Personally, the smile would be really obviously directed at you. There's something to be said of the "showing her feathers" anthropoligical indication of bearing her neck in your direction. Laughing or smiling with eye contact, then a hair toss or stroke or tipping her head back so you see her neck. A smile CAN mean so many things, but a woman that wants you to come to her will make that apparent...
but thats the thing! i have been rejected by women who were showing all these signals to me while i was talking to her. playing with her hair, looking me right in the eye and smiling, also the neck thing too. theres a girl at work who smiles at me and does the hair and neck think, but when i try talking to her, she acts like she doesnt want to talk. Has God created anything more freaking confusing than women?
Is the girl at work the receptionist? If so the smiling goes with the job. The neck offering is either a conscious or subconscious "preening" effort to gain further favorable response. It'd be interesting to see if she does that just for the males. Regardless, nothing confusing about the gestures, they are come-ons. The confusing aspect is her motivation. In this case it would appear, as either a part of her job function and/or that she gains self-confidence through the affirmation of others, once she gets it she either gives the green light or the go ahead depending on who responds and what the setting/environment is.
It goes with the territory. Some women exhibit all the signs of being approached and "won" and they are serious about it and deliver. Others do the same thing with the signals but then don't deliver when called. Not much you can do ahead of time to differentiate between the two. You just gotta step up to the plate and swing.
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David Bowie Eyes
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posted July 06, 2012 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Originally posted by ghanima81:
That's very strange. But not every woman KNOWS what she wants, sadly. I think men are simple in their needs and wants, in the most raw sense, which is why the woman is dissected more and seen as more confusing. Although really, we analyze the heck out of every move you men make. Waste of time tbh, generally there are two things they are getting at in their actions, Yes or no. Apply those answers to any question you may have for a man's actions. Women.... you have to add a lot of gray area and what ifs... You are heavily Aquarian in your chart, correct? I am as well, and spend a disproportionate amount of time thinking about things rather than just coming out and ASKING for clarification.
thats why i am no longer paying any attention to those signals. my experience has been that women only toy with me by pretending to be interested. i will not allow myself to look like a fool anymore. even though i may not be confident , i still have pride and will not be toyed with.Or they can simply change their mind. if you notice this phenomenon more often than not, next time or two ask what happened. There's nothing to lose and information to be gained and lessons learned to wisely apply for future encounters. Steve IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
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posted July 06, 2012 04:45 PM
nope, she's not a receptionist, just a girl i work with. she was obviously being flirty with me.IP: Logged |
David Bowie Eyes
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posted July 06, 2012 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
nope, she's not a receptionist, just a girl i work with. she was obviously being flirty with me.
Probably she was, but something changed between the smiles and flirts on the non-verbal level and when you went and spoke to her. From your replies on this subject this is not the first time, nor the first female you've gotten this reaction from. Since the chance has been taken and the answer received already when they've done this, there's no risk after they reject your approach to simply ask, " So what's up? You obviously invited me over here with your smile, hair flip and eye contact. So what changed after I spoke with you? I'd like to know what I need to change to keep a yes a yes." Steve IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
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posted July 06, 2012 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by David Bowie Eyes:
Probably she was, but something changed between the smiles and flirts on the non-verbal level and when you went and spoke to her. From your replies on this subject this is not the first time, nor the first female you've gotten this reaction from. Since the chance has been taken and the answer received already when they've done this, there's no risk after they reject your approach to simply ask, " So what's up? You obviously invited me over here with your smile, hair flip and eye contact. So what changed after I spoke with you? I'd like to know what I need to change to keep a yes a yes."Steve
the funny thing is she continues to give me the indicators of interest even though i have tried to several times to strike up conversations with her and she pretty much shuts down and acts as if she doesnt wanna talk.IP: Logged |
David Bowie Eyes
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posted July 06, 2012 08:30 PM
That sounds like the weird fly in the ointment scenario where you won't even be able to get decent feedback. Maybe she is painfully shy when it gets to the verbal stage? Have you tried bringing up different subjects that are more generic and safe to talk about, just friendly banter or trivia?
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MoonWitch
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posted July 06, 2012 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by ail221:
Are we not "allowed" to say those words in this forum??
O__O
One of my favorite movies ever!!!!
Ha!!! One of my fave movies ever!! SKIPS OFF.
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David Bowie Eyes
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posted July 07, 2012 02:19 PM
Aquaguy, upon reflection, I don't want to steer you down a rabbit's hollow. I'd back off from the female at work. It's your livelihood that is priority there and pursuing others is always more of a risk than simple rejection.
My questions and suggestions aren't going to be as effective as what you can accomplish on your own. What I'm trying to do is get you to look at what ties these events together where it appears you are getting the green light only to get hit in the face with a stop sign in the middle of the attraction intersection.
One thing to look at is why you are getting brutal rejection. The thing to look at is the type of woman you are approaching, because the ones that are brutal like that, usually are obviously not one's type. That is, at some level you are picking ones that are a personal challenge. That's fine, but then it becomes a game of stats. Eventually one will go for your approach. After 99 before that all but spit in your face. If you are up for that then the rude rejection is just part of the process.
If that doesn't appeal to you then the next examination is the one closer to home. That is when you spot a woman that appeals to you based upon your own ideals over time.
This is where you are vulnerable for two reasons:
1) Looks are deceiving and based upon physical attributes, including the timbre of their voice, their smile. This is where you can second guess yourself to death because after a few instances of rejection by your "ideal", your sense of self is diminished. You feel very cautious in approaching the next one.
2)This is the one where you are going to have to self-examine the most and also step up and ask for answers if you get shot down. This is determining if a female is actually giving you "come hither" signals or not. It's the fork in the road. What that means is interpreting other's signals and then acting is passive initiative. You are waiting on them.
a) active initiative is to pick your prize and YOU send out the signals of interest, and then you act. This one takes self-confidence. You are separating her from the herd and moving in on her. Either yes or no will be her response. One thing is certain, you are in control and she won't soon forget you. Even if she says no, she will be intrigued and you are still in control, of you. You'll be stronger and better as well as sharper at picking up visual cues as to any female's relative receptiveness, but the thing is you are doing it on the fly, you are initiating. The ebb and flow of personal politics rests more with you rather than the woman and your manner and approach are different and they sense this.Bottom line you need to know whom you are, be comfortable with that and project that when you approach a woman. Do that and the right one for you will respond. Steve IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted July 07, 2012 06:31 PM
Aquaguy,I'm going to put it in a more crude masculine way because they pretty much hate me anyway and I have no reputation to protect. You don't take a leak where you sleep. Therefore, you don't wave your Johnson where you earn your money. It's as simple as that. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted July 07, 2012 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Aquaguy,I'm going to put it in a more crude masculine way because they pretty much hate me anyway and I have no reputation to protect. You don't take a leak where you sleep. Therefore, you don't wave your Johnson where you earn your money. It's as simple as that.
haha ok... that was random
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David Bowie Eyes
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posted July 07, 2012 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Aquaguy,I'm going to put it in a more crude masculine way because they pretty much hate me anyway and I have no reputation to protect. You don't take a leak where you sleep. Therefore, you don't wave your Johnson where you earn your money. It's as simple as that.
Yeah, but suppose he waves a Kennedy or a Nixon at 'em?
Joking aside, yes, that was a more uhh, how shall I say, direct way of recommending against the chick at work situation.
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