posted October 11, 2012 08:37 AM            

Anyway, jokes aside, I don't understand the correlation between beatings and success. It isn't even about discipline. It is beating for the sake of beating, with the intention of using inflicted pain to induce success.

I'm sure you've all heard about the so-called "Tiger Mom," Amy Chua, who's a professor at Yale. I actually know her and her husband, also a professor at Yale. I have frequent debates with her. Our kids compete on one front, and mine's more successful (than her daughter Lulu)

Anyway, Tiger Mom is nothing but a little pu$$y cat compared to Wolf Dad.

BTW, I'm not from China, so sorry if I pi$$ off anyone from China, but you can eat my shorts, and I'll throw in the soy sauce for free.

You can read about Wolf Dad here.
http://www.chinahush.com/2011/11/15/chinese-wolf-dad-beats-3-kids-into-beijing-university/
http://www.npr.org/2011/12/14/143659027/and-you-thought-the-tiger-mother-was-tough

And Eagle Dad
http://www.chinahush.com/2012/02/08/eagle-dad-trains-4-year-old-son-running-naked-in-snow/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/eagle-dad-he-liesheng_n_1833358.html
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/7802382/Eagle-Dads-failed-Mt-Fuji-mission

Of course, this has prompted a bunch of 10 year old kids to publish an actual book called.

The Complete Book of Combat With Mum
http://www.beijing-kids.com/blog/Happy-Eggplant/2011/12/23/Tiger-Cubs-Strike-Back-Top-5-Ways-to-Evade-A-Screaming-Parent

posted October 11, 2012 09:10 AM            

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posted October 11, 2012 09:22 AM            

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Ami, You love this?

I seriously don`t believe you did this to your children any more than I did mine .

Extremeism is not my way of parenting. No soy sauce YTA, just sushi shorts style please .

Huffy: In February, Chinese father He Liesheng, dubbed "Eagle dad,"caused an Internet uproar after footage of his 4-year-old son He Yide running almost naked in a blizzard went viral. Though many accused He Liesheng of abuse -- in the video, the boy is shown pleading for warmth -- the father defended his actions. Now, Eagle dad is publicizing his questionable parenting tactics and making headlines for them

ChinaHush: To wolf dad Xiao Baiyou (Ïô°ÙÓÓ) , beating kids is more than a necessary part of home education, but also one of the best parts. He said every time his children misbehave or fail to meet his expectation in school, he would give them feather duster punishment. When Xiao was taking the college entrance examination, he got 8th place in Guangdong Province and was admitted to Jinan University. He attributed his success to his mother who beat him on every tiny mistake he made. So he carried on his mother¡¯s legacy and beat 3 children into Beijing University.

posted October 11, 2012 09:32 AM            

Sorry, juniperb, just joking.

He made his 4 year old do push ups in the snow. A few days ago, they tried climbing Mt. Fuji with nothing but a single bottle of water. He wants his 4 year old boy sail a small boat by himself out in the Pacific Ocean where the surf swells are more than 10 feet on a sunny day.

To be abdundantly clear, I am more than appalled. I myself was whacked beyond belief. Except that all that whacking didn't do jack sh1t in terms of me getting into anything. I created my own success after I got far far away from that madness.

posted October 11, 2012 09:47 AM            

Just heard on CNN "Parents paid millions to get kids in Harvard and were scammed" waa waa cheaters.

Cheaters and beaters... What the heck is wrong with people these days!?

posted October 11, 2012 10:14 AM            

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Unnecessary hitting, beating, forcing people to endure extreme conditions, denying them things that they need to live = abuse

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Exactly and that`s what the parents are promoting for success

General spanking, imho , is a separate issue from abuse.

When I grabbed a magazine or newspaper to warm some bottoms with, kiddies knew Mom had enough.

posted October 11, 2012 10:24 AM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Exactly and that`s what the parents are promoting for success

General spanking, imho , is a separate issue from abuse.

When I grabbed a magazine or newspaper to warm some bottoms with, kiddies knew Mom had enough.

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I strongly agree that spanking is not the same thing as abuse.

posted October 11, 2012 10:40 AM            

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While I'm great with most dog breeds, I'm definitely not parent material, nor do I want to be. I think people underestimate how stressful parenting can be. I know that it takes a certain kind of person to be able to deal with those challenges, and I choose to not have kids since I know I'm not one of them.

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Wisdom!!!

Since I foster four leggeds, I love all breeds but like kids, some are more inclined to be agreeable and willing to listen than others..

Patience and love is the key ingredient to any child or animal rearing. And no, I am not lumping them together

posted October 11, 2012 11:57 AM            

Learning to fear your parents is different from learning to respect your parents. You can discipline without resorting to physical violence. I don't care how "light" the "tap" is, it's a physical way to impose dominance and fear and humiliation to solve a problem and all that teaches is for children to grow up and handle situations the same way ie: Your parents spanked you and you turned out fine? Well, if you think it's okay to spank kids, you didn't turn out fine.

I've seen children spanked in public. I've seen the humiliation on their faces. Often they are being spanked for something they didn't understand was wrong or being spanked for their parent's failure to keep an eye on them and be in charge, preemptively keeping them out of trouble. Good parenting does take patience, attention and vigilance. Bad parenting is smacking a kid because you didn't teach them well in the first place and you're too tired, stupid or angry to control the situation without lashing out. People who spank children should be ashamed themselves.

posted October 11, 2012 12:11 PM            

I can't stand it, either, when parents just let their kids shriek and scream and yell. If you can't keep your kid quiet, keep them at home until they can behave, or else take them somewhere that allows that sort of thing. Some places are suited to kids, others are not. Some people seem to disregard that, but that's just life. Those types (and thankfully not all people are like that) think that they're entitled to bring their kids anywhere and everywhere, and that people just have to enjoy being disrupted because they are lazy and don't want to parent.

Kids should be a little afraid of their parents. Not to the point that they are scarred for life, but enough to be afraid of doing something horrible.

Kids are just as capable of being good or bad as adults are, and should be expected to behave and act right.

Kids need to be contained and need to respect authority, within reason. They need to learn early on that they don't get special privileges--that they have to act decent and behave properly in society just like everyone else, and learn the social rules and manners. Letting kids run amok just makes for horrible adults. Discipline, boundaries, and limits are important.

Plus, kids misbehaving can literally cause harm to people and property. I read one story once about a woman whose kid attacked and nearly blinded her. So, yeah, kids need to be kept in line.

posted October 11, 2012 12:45 PM            

If you think smacking them around teaches them to be good people, then I'm glad you never want to have kids.

Any kids who are wild and violent probably have wild, violent parents and/or get no boundaries or guidance. Kids running around swearing and wreaking the havoc you described are neglected kids with sh** parents. How sad. And how sad that you think those kids, who obviously were never taught any better, should be the ones punished for their parents failure to teach them how to be good people. I think you'd have to be a real a**hole to applaud spanking when it's clearly a failure to the kid and the parents, but I guess if your main concern, is that the kids not bother you personally and watching them get a smack makes you feel like they are getting what they deserve...well, that's pretty sad.

posted October 11, 2012 02:54 PM            

as it indicates in name calling and such.

We can discuss this without making it personal.

posted October 11, 2012 03:12 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
there is a big difference between a spanking and a beating, I was spanked and I turned out ok, I'm not a violent person. I've seen it time and time again that parents who don't spank their kids don't have control of their kids,spankings are a neccesary evil. why do you think kids are out of control in schools these days? because most schools are prohibited from paddling , kids don't fear or respect their teachers anymore, I.S.S is not punishment, it just allows the kids who misbehave to goof off with the other unruly kids.

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posted October 11, 2012 03:21 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
there is a big difference between a spanking and a beating, I was spanked and I turned out ok, I'm not a violent person. I've seen it time and time again that parents who don't spank their kids don't have control of their kids,spankings are a neccesary evil. why do you think kids are out of control in schools these days? because most schools are prohibited from paddling , kids don't fear or respect their teachers anymore, I.S.S is not punishment, it just allows the kids who misbehave to goof off with the other unruly kids.

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while i might think spanking children as a last resort when nothing else works is good for parents i dont belive that any parent would allow strangers to beat his children...

posted October 11, 2012 03:27 PM            

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Originally posted by redshift:
You are all making me sick.

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posted October 11, 2012 03:28 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
while i might think spanking children as a last resort when nothing else works is good for parents i dont belive that any parent would allow strangers to beat his children...

IMO the educating part is the parents job and putting it in the hands of strangers might lead to problematic situaions

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posted October 11, 2012 03:33 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by doommlord:
[b] while i might think spanking children as a last resort when nothing else works is good for parents i dont belive that any parent would allow strangers to beat his children...

IMO the educating part is the parents job and putting it in the hands of strangers might lead to problematic situaions

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yes i understand this....especially since i started hearing on teacher being assaulet by students...

posted October 11, 2012 03:54 PM            

I think the mistake parents make is spanking when they are angry. A parents anger must be separated from childs behavior. Then it becomes a valid punishment rather than a venting for parents. Children know the difference!!