posted January 10, 2013 01:19 AM            

This has been on my research list since the weekend. I started thinking, after some kid at zoo lights thought I was a man. Come to think of it, sometimes I get mistaken for a man - usually when I open my mouth.

So I just thought I was androgynous and googled it. It came up with bigender, trigender, genderqueer, etc....binary and non binary.

So my small binary mind was cracked open and one huge epiphany came into play within myself. I'm not binary.

With Sun and Rising in Masculine signs I have a strong dose of the masculine principle in my chart and can really relate to what she put down about the Aries Sun female.......

I'm not happy with the gender stereotypes or gender roles.....they just bite....for once in my life I can see the value of being individually authentic in who we are! Regardless of what society thinks we should be.....

I think what my term would be is gender fluid.......

posted January 10, 2013 01:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
Are you referring to social labels, physical labels, and or mental labels?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgyny

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posted January 10, 2013 03:47 AM            

And I'm currently the one who takes care of the car (though my partner does most of the driving as I hate that), computers, electronics, yard, teach the kids sports and the boy lightsaber combat, practice archery & shooting, and I'm said to be very good with tools and easily assemble furniture and also a bicycle for my boy once. Yet at the same time I do a lot of the cooking & cleaning, take care of the kids, teach the girl how to use makeup, host guests, and my primary money making endeavors over the years come from sewing and entertaining birthday girls. I also tend to have feminine taste in media (with the notable exception of vampires, I very much want them to be scary instead of romantic). I'm sexually versatile. I'm whatever is needed at the time without a preference.

posted January 10, 2013 04:02 AM            

I can't remember who but someone posted a link to a blog that was satirical of about 9 or 10 of the zodiac signs. Anyway, they said Taurus' looked like trannies. And you know what? I kind of do. However, combine this with my Aries placements and inclination to burp, cuss, be a ratchet, have other priorities than tidying my room, and I like to walk around naked. My body language is often times masculine. I hate shopping, I hate talking on the phone for long periods of time unless I know you really well. I don't like a lot of jewelry. I have to drive everywhere and I even feel more comfortable driving a truck. I enjoy archery and shooting like PixieJane. I'm bigger and taller than most girls. My point is the whole tranny comparison and my "Aries" nature, make me feel as though I should have been born a man. I mean honestly, I'm amazed my parents haven't sat me down and been like "Hanna, we chose your gender for you."

On top of this, I think the harsh aspects to my Sun, Mercury, and Venus intensify the masculine behavior. (They're all square to Saturn. I believe that's the 5th time I've had to say that today on the forum, lol.) Plus I have Mars inconjunct Pluto, Moon opposition Pluto and Mars conjunct the ASC, Sun and Venus sextile Mars. I'm very aggressive for a woman and it's uncomfortable trying to fit myself into the ideal society and my household has raised me to be. It's also equally as uncomfortable to be outside of that, especially in your early 20's like myself.

posted January 10, 2013 08:16 AM            

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Cynnared: This has been on my research list since the weekend. I started thinking, after some kid at zoo lights thought I was a man. Come to think of it, sometimes I get mistaken for a man - usually when I open my mouth.

So I just thought I was androgynous and googled it...

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I'm androgynous! Physically any ways. I'm a mesh of femme and masculine traits. People mistake me for a girl sometimes.
But I am a cis male - my sex is male and I identify as male.

People are soooo diverse and different, and there are so many different things when it comes to gender and sex alone, orientation aside. I've personally been friends with people who fit all over the gender spectrum and it's all a wonderful experience to know such diversity.
And to learn too. Male and female traits...the ideas that men work or go outside and get dirty while women stay inside, wear skirts, etc. ... that's a social construct. The sexes are naturally biological, and our hormones act differently because of how we socialise, but the roles behind male and female don't need to be adhered to nor pushed upon others.

posted January 10, 2013 10:53 AM            

I don't do well with labels, but having been so involved in my cousin-in-law's struggles, and her ambitions, her explorations... I've come to learn that I can be identified with "trigender' personalities/preferences... however you want to put it...

I'm not one to make things more complicated than they need to be... I don't have any real explanation or excuse for why this is... the only thing that stands out is that I was raised among mostly young men, being the eldest female grandchild in my huge extended family... I had always preferred and been ostracized into playing with the boys, I adopted the "tomboy' persona(?) probably partly as a defense, and partly because it fit naturally, as all I knew... Later years, i wouldn't struggle with issues of gender identity though, I've always accepted whichever "role" I felt or was given... I'm not quite sure how "fluid" I can be... It seems that whichever I'm fixed to at a time, I am fixed to and that's that... (I am a woman, this is a biological fact and I don't want to change anything there, but... inwardly I don't attach myself or being trapped by my femininity... it's hard to explain, but I'm just as at ease with a masculine behaviorism, and just as capable of wrapping my mind around masculine ideals as these feminine ones... is a short way of putting it, though not encompassing the whole idea... sorry) ~sometimes it's a matter of relationship dynamics... where one "gender role" takes up the majority of the time just because of the relation to the other individual... or sometimes it does seem to be related just to mood at any given moment... or, to other stimuli... I don't fight the current... whatever it is...

In my chart... I suppose it could be an issue of my Moon opposite Saturn, or being a Capricorn in general, although feminine, Caps are the masculine feminine the opposites of Cancer's feminine feminine... lol /whatever/

But, I don't dwell on those either... my chart is Sadge dominated... but all in all a mixture of all elements..... 'cept short on air (only having NN/Mc/Vertex in air), and being mostly mutable.... well, actually mutable is a good way to describe my identity... lol it's the only time you would be able to associate anything about me, with the root word "mute"....... =x

I suppose also it may be a bit involved with having Venus cnj Uranus in Sagittarius... those square my ASC as well... since I have been mistaken for a little boy several times in the past... lol Venus/Uranus semisqring Mars/Pluto conjunction in Scorpio too, I don't put myself out there as a soft image of anything.... everything is in extremes with this combination of combinations! ^^; hmmm...

Either way, being a part of my ever evolving cousin-in-law's life, her lifestyle, her choices, supporting her, and her friends... who have been a trip to get to know... it's been enlightening, and like Scorpy said... i hope more people will acquaint themselves with what else is out there, and what lies beyond genders and orientations... even if they're like me, and despise the over-complication, or the (neutralists) with the disdain for our cultures need, the necessity for this genre-fication. >.<;

^ that was too complicated for me~

*needs a Tylenol* XD

Thank you for bringing this topic up Cynnared!~ it's great to see the astrological community's outlook on things, and to just get it out there more overall, getting more people aware of the diversity in general~ yes!!! <3

posted January 10, 2013 05:33 PM            

Having large breasts [D size] is extremely damaging to my mental health because of the negative attention I've gotten from it... but more so because it feels 'unnatural' to me. I'm going to get a breast reduction to a small/medium B size in less than 5 months FINALLY after thinking long and hard about it for 2+ years. It's not like insurance would give an eff about me to cover it but I think I'll be OK...

I also have almost always worn shorter hair... it's just gotten shorter and shorter over the years LOL. I let it grow out and it ended up being really upsetting to me so I am cutting it again soon. I usually have a style like this - - which isn't extremely feminine but definitely not masculine. I feel very uncomfortable in high heels and dresses as well, unless it's very specifically styled [nothing revealing]. This is prolly a reflection of my Saturn-Venus aspect too...

Yet I don't consider myself a lesbian. I still have an attraction to men - I just happen to be somewhat androgynous and tomboyish vs. very feminine. I just hate how women with these qualities are often easily slapped with the 'd*ke' label by ignorant people... especially very masculine dudes. Lay off! Having a bold style doesn't mean I am gay or want to have a sex change. I still like wearing lipstick and eyeliner sometimes. I still like wearing nail polish. I don't have to justify my femininity to anyone anyway, and neither should any tomboyish/androgynous female, or male for the matter in terms of masculinity...

posted January 12, 2013 05:13 PM            

Since last weekend my eyes have opened up about gender issues. I am not sure what it means to me yet as this is all new to me (thinking wise).

I came across this neat site calle itspronouncedmetrosexual.com and it has a genderbread scale on it. These scales measure Gender - Indentity, Expression, Physical body and sexual orientation.

So for me I am Gender Fluid (On this scale they have gender queer but,I am not crazy about using queer). I was born female and my gender expression is neutral and slightly overlaps male/female clothing. And my sexuality is heterosexual to asexual - which is interesting cause I have an 8th house mars in cappy but it is harshly aspected by Uranus and the Sun.

The world is now colorful and enhanced for me and I'm glad I got rid of the Binary thinking. My spouse is very binary and very cisgender.....he sometimes has a hard time understanding me.

I feel more at home going to this local gay bar for karaoke.

Though I find that I am very much attracted to emotionally expressive gay men, I find I relax around them and feel more like myself.

Drag queens I find are quite appealing. I saw one live last week and was mesmerised.

If I do need to open up about my gender it will have to be with heterosexual men cause I tend to freak them out, when I am not interested with them romantically etc.

So this is what I have discovered with myself.

posted January 13, 2013 10:26 AM            

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Cynnared: So for me I am Gender Fluid (On this scale they have gender queer but,I am not crazy about using queer). I was born female and my gender expression is neutral and slightly overlaps male/female clothing. And my sexuality is heterosexual to asexual

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This is a topic I like, and I'm still learning about it too. One of the most interesting people I've ever met was gender fluid. Some days Izzy would feel male, other times Izzy would feel female, and then neither or both after that! As far as I can tell any ways. That's what zi told me.

Zi. Izzy preferred gender neutral pronouns, so zi instead of he/she, hir instead of his/her/him. Zi was also asexual to lesbian (so zi said, being that they were interested in women, and was born female hirself).

posted March 06, 2013 03:17 PM            

It's the opposite for me. I am too sensitive. I hate it, but it is who I am. I can sit and think myself into tears, no problem. But I never feel attractive when wearing make-ups and hair and dresses. And as I get older I realize how little I care about my looks, which is detrimental in this society to a female. I have Sun, Moon, ASC in masculine signs. I feel attracted to women sometimes but not in purely sexual way. Strongly hetero.