posted March 16, 2013 01:43 PM              

When I mean "normal" I actually mean the "average."

Would you say that many of your female friends and relatives would ever want to see topless women walking around the streets?
I can't say my mother or grandmother would be excited about that.
I wouldn't say they're close minded.

posted March 16, 2013 05:01 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I'm not an atheist. I was simply saying you have to acknowledge the bad .

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No I don't. After all it was God who made the rules and it was God who lied.

But since this is going too far off topic I won't bother explaining what I mean by that. Maybe I'll make another thread about it later in DD.

posted March 16, 2013 05:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Pisces Sweety has valid argument, but one can actually justify her reasoning so they say she's being close minded

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No, she doesn't. She's using circular reasoning and argument by popularity. That's not valid.

Perhaps you'd care to make an ACTUAL argument?

For example, some argue that getting tattoos or doing drugs (including alcohol & tobacco) is not respecting the body. I don't agree with those assertions but one could make an argument that these damage (or at least risk, including tats) the body and tattoos also mutilate it. That's an actual argument.

Likewise, an actual argument against total nudity is that anyone under the wrong circumstances (like sick or food poisoning) could have an accident (including one not easily noticed at first), especially toddlers and the elderly, and therefore it's potentially unsanitary & inconvenient to allow casual nudity from the waist down. But that still wouldn't apply to breasts, male or female.

posted March 16, 2013 05:27 PM              

This "argument" is hypothetical, WHAT IF BEING TOPLESS WAS OKAY?
Uhm.....

The fact is that walking around topless when never be accepted in your life time in this society.
y'all should do an experiment!
go out into public area with your top off and see peoples reactions.
Chances are people will call the cops within 15 minutes...
People will probably sneer at you while they cover their child's eyes.

Personally I'm not against women being topless but I'm just stating the fact and this whole thread hypothetical and to attack someone that has an average opinion is just because you're sensitive about your opinions and beliefs
In many ancient cultures and in primitive cultures its totally okay walking around topless.

Humans are collective society and majority rules

posted March 16, 2013 05:54 PM            

Here, at 1:32-1:35, is this Iranian woman disrespecting herself?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud7drkKt2mo

And btw, there are place in Australia and Europe where topless women are seen as acceptable (IIRC, one woman reported the news topless in Amsterdam). Come to think of it there's a place in San Francisco where men walk around fully nude so I presume a woman could go topless without raising any brows.

And no one has attacked Pisces Sweety, but has pointed out that when asked for an actual (as opposed to arbitrary) reason than "just because" that she was unable to provide one. I think it's more valid to say she was attacking women who went topless as having no self-respect and no different from animals.

posted March 19, 2013 04:07 AM            

Kerosene i don't appreciate your last post, your tone is very provocative. this should be a civil discussion on a very interesting and debatable topic don't ruin it by turning it into a dispute!

posted March 19, 2013 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I think women should be able to go topless.

It's ridiculous that nursing mothers have to cover up, worry about their shirt covering enough or even throw a blanket over the baby's head sometimes to prevent (gasp!) exposure.

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posted March 19, 2013 02:40 PM            

Land O Lakes Indian Bares Breasts With Knee Cap Packaging Trickery

For all you perverts out there. Oh wait. Sorry. That's just us. And maybe the dude over at Where's my Jetpack who had some fun playing with Land O Lakes butter. No, not the product you sickos. The packaging. Apparently way back in the 30's, the designer of the packaging, Jess Betlach thought he'd have some fun by adding the visual hint or female aureola/nipple to the Indian woman's knees. The knees, you ask? Well, according the Where's My Jetpack, thousands of boys would cut the knees off, cut a whole where the Indian woman is holding the product and insert the image of the knees thus creating the illusion of an Indian woman holding her bare breasts.

posted March 19, 2013 02:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Maelstrom:
That's a subject I feel very strongly about, the attitude of certain members of the public towards breast feeding mothers. It pains me to open a national newspaper in this country and see a pair of **** on Page 3. Yet women who breastfeed in public have been verbally abused and even asked to leave (by "asked" I mean ordered) the establishment they were in. And yes that happened to me.

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posted March 19, 2013 09:14 PM            

Tbh, i was a bit embarrassed for her and the kid. Only because I could tell she loved the attention and awkward stares and it seemed to be a big ego thing with her. She was standing and the kid was standing and sucking on her boob. Like she was just waiting for someone to say something about it. Mostly people just ignored after the initial surprise of seeing it and were polite. There's nothing really wrong with something like that, i guess, but I know with this person she's doing it because she's really attatched to that whole earth mama look she gives off to others. Dread locks, nose peircings and all. It's a bit too much for me. I find it all a bit ridiculous. People like her were cool briefly in high school, but some people take it too far and never grow out of that phase. Not innapropriate to breastfeed in public, but a small number of women take it too far. In this case it was a bit disturbing to my eyes. Did the grown kid really need to be fed right then and there, in that situation? I think not. It's not a newborn baby.

It wasnt the breastfeeding aspect that annoyed me, i guess. It was the show she was putting on and her OTT persona. Give the kid a sandwich at this point in it's life, a shot of wheatgrass or something! for Christ's sake. Don't worry, you'll still be a new age hippy. Really. We don't need you to make a spectacle to prove it to us. Don't embarrass it like that in public (even though the kid seemed quite happy to suck on her *** ...it didnt know any better i guess). Maybe it was laced heavily with THC . How long will something like that go on? Just weird.

Mother's who are still breastfeeding their kids after 5 years old do weird me out. I'll probably get attacked for saying it, but it's how I feel. I wanted to say to this girl....yeah, we get it, youre a hippy-dippy earth mama, we could tell by your dreads and patchwork skirt, but we really don't need a show like this at a community meeting. If it was a newborn, it would be different, but it wasnt. It's scenarios like this that makes me irked by the whole new age/crunchie people in general. So ego and so fake. Help your kid become an individual and independent of you.

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Topless women on a beach, in ife etc. Not innappropriate. If guys can walk around without a shirt we should be able to too.

posted March 19, 2013 11:23 PM            

I remember a guy I was dating had an issue with a woman he had dated years before, she was still breastfeeding the kid at a late age. She wanted to let him as long as he wanted to...and he was getting a bit old for it tbh. He said that continuing to breastfeed keeps the woman's hormones in a certain state....like at this feel-good motherly state of sorts? Allowing the body to continue to produce milk will keep a mom at a stage or feeling of when they first had the kid.....it can be prolonged through breastfeeding....sort of tricking the body into staying at that hormonal stage?

I don't know. I just think at some point it needs to stop. I know some moms want to let their kid decide when that time is, but I don't think that's healthy.

posted March 19, 2013 11:47 PM            

(My children have all weaned between 12 and 15 months.)

posted March 20, 2013 12:15 AM            

I have friends who nursed their children past age three. I was a little shocked at first, but then I saw how it was driven by the children not wanting to be weaned, and when they're that small, sometimes they tug on the heartstrings and mothers just say-- "Ok, whatever! You're cute so whatever you want!" and just delay the process. Plus, these mothers only planned to have one child so they were being a little sentimental about everything.

posted March 20, 2013 01:24 AM            

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Originally posted by mockingbird:
when a kid can walk up and say, "Excuse me, Mother, but I am ever so parched - may I partake of your native nourishment?" it's gone on too long.

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I must admit... I might not be able resist such a request....especially if they also asked it in a proper English accent.

posted March 20, 2013 01:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I nursed my youngest for a long time, he was almost two I think (?) when he was weaned. The others all stopped around 12 months.

I have friends who nursed their children past age three. I was a little shocked at first, but then I saw how it was driven by the children not wanting to be weaned, and when they're that small, sometimes they tug on the heartstrings and mothers just say-- "Ok, whatever! You're cute so whatever you want!" and just delay the process. Plus, these mothers only planned to have one child so they were being a little sentimental about everything.

If the child is four and still nursing, I think it suggests that something is seriously amiss.

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I'd never thought of it that way. I could see myself ending up a sucker mother and giving in. But think at some point (before 2) i'd def. call it quits. A break-up with the breast would definitely be in order.

posted March 20, 2013 01:57 AM            

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Originally posted by mockingbird:
I'm not going to judge, but (for me) when a kid can walk up and say, "Excuse me, Mother, but I am ever so parched - may I partake of your native nourishment?" it's gone on too long.

(My children have all weaned between 12 and 15 months.)

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Originally posted by T:

I must admit... I might not be able resist such a request....especially if they also asked it in a proper English accent.

I might say something like, "Alright me lad/lady. Suck away. Have at it."

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posted March 20, 2013 05:56 AM            

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Originally posted by T:
Thank you for laughing. ...."getting it". It's never fun to laugh alone.

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posted March 20, 2013 10:39 AM            

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Originally posted by T:
I was at a community meeting recently and a super hippy chick was breastfeeding her kid who was about 6 or 7 (i'm guessing) years old. I could tell she loved the initial attention and in my head I had to roll my eyes. Like....god...not another one of these chicks.

Tbh, i was a bit embarrassed for her and the kid. Only because I could tell she loved the attention and awkward stares and it seemed to be a big ego thing with her. She was standing and the kid was standing and sucking on her boob. Like she was just waiting for someone to say something about it. Mostly people just ignored after the initial surprise of seeing it and were polite. There's nothing really wrong with something like that, i guess, but I know with this person she's doing it because she's really attatched to that whole earth mama look she gives off to others. Dread locks, nose peircings and all. It's a bit too much for me. I find it all a bit ridiculous. People like her were cool briefly in high school, but some people take it too far and never grow out of that phase. Not innapropriate to breastfeed in public, but a small number of women take it too far. In this case it was a bit disturbing to my eyes. Did the grown kid really need to be fed right then and there, in that situation? I think not. It's not a newborn baby.

It wasnt the breastfeeding aspect that annoyed me, i guess. It was the show she was putting on and her OTT persona. Give the kid a sandwich at this point in it's life, a shot of wheatgrass or something! for Christ's sake. Don't worry, you'll still be a new age hippy. Really. We don't need you to make a spectacle to prove it to us. Don't embarrass it like that in public (even though the kid seemed quite happy to suck on her *** ...it didnt know any better i guess). Maybe it was laced heavily with THC . How long will something like that go on? Just weird.

Mother's who are still breastfeeding their kids after 5 years old do weird me out. I'll probably get attacked for saying it, but it's how I feel. I wanted to say to this girl....yeah, we get it, youre a hippy-dippy earth mama, we could tell by your dreads and patchwork skirt, but we really don't need a show like this at a community meeting. If it was a newborn, it would be different, but it wasnt. It's scenarios like this that makes me irked by the whole new age/crunchie people in general. So ego and so fake. Help your kid become an individual and independent of you.

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Topless women on a beach, in ife etc. Not innappropriate. If guys can walk around without a shirt we should be able to too.

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