posted March 23, 2013 04:45 PM            

The "beautiful people"..hate other people, those considered "homely" love other people.

Artists tend to be very self contained, "average guy" tends to be very open.

Cappies, for example, tend to be artistic, but shy, Libras adore art and beauty (generalization of course).

As a Saggie sun, I tend to either love or hate things, and find beauty where most won't see it as it is not mainstream.

Can adore a 300 pd woman, and despise a 98 pd one, one to me is real, the other quite fake and merely getting by on their appearance.

Man or Woman, they annoy me to no end.

The genesis of this is my dear friend, a Libra, whom many find attractive (but I find it comical) is very much into beauty and pleasure yet..lacks an aesthetic.

posted March 23, 2013 06:37 PM            

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Cappies, for example, tend to be artistic, but shy, Libras adore art and beauty (generalization of course).

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True in my case Cap sun, Libra moon.

I don't know anyone who appreciates beauty as much as I so I can't add anything.

posted March 23, 2013 06:48 PM            

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Can adore a 300 pd woman, and despise a 98 pd one, one to me is real, the other quite fake and merely getting by on their appearance.

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posted March 23, 2013 08:48 PM            

They could weigh 98 and still be an awesome person.. or weigh 300 and be a cow.

Personality is more related to life experience than body-weight... in my opinion!

What I definitely do not like is - in particular men - who think it is perfectly ok to take ONE look at a woman and assume that based on what you see in her appearance you simply *know* what her personality will be like.
You do NOT know who someone IS deep down.. until you meet them and get to know them - whether they are a model looks-wise or overweight and unattractive!!

I cannot stand these preconceptions because I have met several traditionally 'bad looking' people who were also huge JERKS. It happens!

And vice versa.. there are people who would traditionally be considered 'good looking' and who are awesome people.

It's so classically main stream media to say "the ugly duckling has a nice personality - and the beautiful princess/prince living in a castle is nasty".
Not true in my experience!
There is zero correlation.

posted March 23, 2013 08:49 PM            

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one to me is real, the other quite fake

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So you base your assessment on how *real* they are - based on what they weigh?

Do you think doing this ^ is not superficial?

posted March 23, 2013 08:55 PM            

What you said reminds me of those articles that advise men to approach a good looking/thin/fit/attractive woman - by being nasty and treating her badly to lower her self-esteem.

This is due to the preconception that all attractive women are bi*tches and they will only respond to such behaviour.

You used the word *FAKE*.. which is a negative word.. to described women who are thin - or traditionally considered more attractive.

If I wasn't on LL - I would be calling you a name at this point.

You are actually not the first Sagittarius guy I have heard these kinds of generalisations and crap from.

Just making this clear, once again - and please DO read it carefully:

posted March 23, 2013 09:11 PM            

Some guys think that because a female is extremely attractive, she must be a bimbo or shallow or not worth getting to know and/or just even more afraid to approach her. (i'm sure the same goes for good looking men) She is most likely used to having pig, losers coming up to her often (true).

In certain ways attractive people can deal with the same kind of prejiduces as anyone else. Or end up having all of the shmucks in the room approaching them and not able to hold a conversation with them and instead treat them like a piece of meat and do whatever it takes to try and take them home.

I'm tempted to share a story about some guy friends - when i was way younger, trying to pick up these regular girls at a bar and how it backfired......maybe later...

posted March 23, 2013 09:39 PM            

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Originally posted by T:

I agree with Odette, that it can go both ways. And you shouldnt decide whether someone is real or fake based on weight. The 100 lb girl could still be a better catch than the 300 lb one. Maybe she looks good and has her **** together too. What's wrong with that?

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I totally missed that point, too.. And I agree..

posted March 23, 2013 09:44 PM            

I will try to think of how to put it in a nutshell....

posted March 23, 2013 09:54 PM            

I do recall an utter snob, a Libra male who literally put his nose in the air at times (surprised no one punched it given the type of people living there at the time). I have a Leo ascendant (which was more expressive back then) and even I didn't come close to his amount of snobbishness or sense of entitlement. I also failed to pass his inspection, he hated my short hair and "bad dye job" I sported back then, my clothes, and I think my age. I recall how shocked he was when I tried explaining punk and surrealism to him, and he couldn't believe anyone would "defend" that (and I was more explaining it). He sported a very dignified appearance himself (though you might've liked him, Padre, he had a beer gut ) and thought the flop house we were all trapped in at the time to be intolerable (sharing bathroom, laundry room, etc). He made friends with the landlord but then he stole thousands of dollars in rent money and fled, presumably back to Canada (that's right, he was a Canadian who looked down on Americans, too).

posted March 24, 2013 04:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Padre -

What you said reminds me of those articles that advise men to approach a good looking/thin/fit/attractive woman - by being nasty and treating her badly to lower her self-esteem.

This is due to the preconception that all attractive women are bi*tches and they will only respond to such behaviour.

You used the word *FAKE*.. which is a negative word.. to described women who are thin - or traditionally considered more attractive.

If I wasn't on LL - I would be calling you a name at this point.

You are actually not the first Sagittarius guy I have heard these kinds of generalisations and crap from.

[b]Just making this clear, once again - and please DO read it carefully:

You do NOT have the right to refer to someone as FAKE or any other negative term based on her appearance only - when you do not KNOW her personality![/B]

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If I may suggest Odette...perhaps one is taking the wrong message from my OP

I'd happily surrender to someone who can for example..quote the Hobbit.

For myself..love beauty..and it can intellectual beauty..no need to buy whatever.

To my mind THAT is beauty..just "be" yourself

That to me.is BEAUTIFUL

For me..I respect that so much.

posted March 24, 2013 04:47 AM            

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Originally posted by T:
The most beautiful people have a light that shines from within and touches you. Just like in nature....there's a divinity that emanates and you can't help but find beauty in them/it. Genuine, kind and peaceful people are always a sight to behold. They reflect back to you what is real inside of you and remind you of divine perfection. That's why people gravitate towards them and think they are beautiful, even if by societies stadards they are not.

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That is so true, and from my pov..very humbling..

Unless one is very egotistical..wow..just so awesome.

Eh. this is why

posted March 24, 2013 05:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
If I may suggest Odette...perhaps one is taking the wrong message from my OP

I'd happily surrender to someone who can for example..quote the Hobbit.

For myself..love beauty..and it can intellectual beauty..no need to buy whatever.

To my mind THAT is beauty..just "be" yourself

That to me.is BEAUTIFUL

For me..I respect that so much.

I'd climb a mountain...just out of respect, for a woman who was just themselves

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posted March 24, 2013 01:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
If I may suggest Odette...perhaps one is taking the wrong message from my OP

I'd happily surrender to someone who can for example..quote the Hobbit.

For myself..love beauty..and it can intellectual beauty..no need to buy whatever.

To my mind THAT is beauty..just "be" yourself

That to me.is BEAUTIFUL

For me..I respect that so much.

I'd climb a mountain...just out of respect, for a woman who was just themselves

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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
Even though not directed at me;
your words in your original post and above quoted post;
make me feel beautiful.
Thank you for that.{{{hugs}}}

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Ah Lexxi, you are so original and genuine

posted March 24, 2013 01:40 PM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Beauty? I love superficial things. Plain and simple - if it's pretty, popular, shiny, or new, I'll probably be all up on that!
#scorpiovenus holla!

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Hah!

I do believe there is a balance of quality over mass consumption though, difference being is the "mass" normally is told what beauty is the individual with taste decides for themselves

#ScoprioVenus here as well, when I like something..I like it and the world can burn down if "they" don't like it.

Think it is a function of Scorpio Mars and a wee bit of Neptune

posted March 24, 2013 02:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:

What is beauty? Which signs appreciate beauty? And is beauty physical or artistic or is it found in the common?

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1. It is what Hera said, actually... that I do believe fully for everything of beauty there is someone who admires, and someone who despises, and someone who feels nothing for it either way.

2. All of them. A person of every sign has something that they will undoubtedly consider beautiful, every person of every sign has a Venus sign, and a 2nd house (the things we value), and a descendant, so each sign and placement has their own genuine and distinct appreciation of some form of beauty. Sometimes it is the aspect, a Mercury to Venus aspect may enjoy the thought, the mind, the spoken word, the Mars to Venus person appreciates beautiful deeds and perhaps a special physique, and a Saturn to Venus maybe enjoys the structural details and stability, and so on... Venus in the 9th house finding beauty in foreign and divine, or 11th finding people, society itself beautiful... No one sign alone can find beauty, or decide what it is...

3. I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
There are many kinds of beauty - and many different ways of approaching, measuring, categorizing things of beauty.

Aesthetic beauty can be found in anything. It can be on the surface or even within.

Superficial beauty will wane, it is not meant to be permanent.

Spiritual beauty can be defined by deeds matching words and words matching deeds ~ but even that is disputable - Just because the Dali Lama is a spiritually beautiful human being, doesn't mean every person would see that -

Popular beauty... physical, societal beauty - changes with the times and culture - what one person in the West considers thin, will be considered in some European countries and communities as unhealthy even today, while in the far East there are other standards that would say they are unhealthy for the opposite reason to the European reasoning, they would call that Western individual who is seen as "thin" as being "weighty" - but the (some) European communities, individuals would say they are "need some meat on their bones". Which is the reverse to many Western (typically North American) standards for modern and popular beauty.

And, then there are individuals who are more in tune with superficial beauties - by nature or by the influence of society/media and family... other individuals have helped shape their standards most often... but, there should be recognition as this being the natural tendency for human beings throughout time... although more went into it in the past than what remains today... a neolithic human would want their mate and offspring to be beautiful and strong in order to survive and for the species to survive... it's just a primitive function that some humans if not all humans on some level are still responding to... of course that doesn't excuse what many would consider shallow and vain ideals of beauty... it just explains why this mentality exists and has such a stronghold over our kind.

Beautiful things survive... people do not go out of their way to preserve a dilapidated shack, but they will restore and preserve the visually stunning and intricately designed Gothic Manor, buttresses, gild work, arches and all, because it is beautiful... even if it is not important anymore and could very well be replaced by another structure. Meanwhile the shack has served its purpose and is left to rot away or torn down... because more than anything it is not visually beautiful, and is equally replaceable as the Gothic Manor.

~shrug~

I do not know if that is something of what you meant in your last question - but, it seems like it was meant like this... though sometimes I do have trouble interpreting your posts Padre. lol Sorry!!! >.<; <3 (They appear to be written by Yoda, or translated directly to English from haiku sometimes to me!)

I do not believe weight has any point in beauty - weight is a matter of physical health, not physical beauty or any other form in my mind. And, it is extremely true that the beautiful person does not have to be the better or worse of the two extremes - >.<; It requires knowing someone to determine their character and virtues - appearances can be deceiving...although I do hold to the old mantra... "if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck... chances are... it's a duck."

But some ducks... are cool too... just misunderstood... they like nesting, I like nesting, they like flying South for the winter, I like flying south for the winter, they like bread, I like bread... We have our differences, of course... I usually draw the line at insects... but... they can be snippy about things... get their bills in a twist... and then they go all friggin' Daffy Duck on ya... geeze... ducks are real...