posted May 30, 2013 05:43 PM            

Other than Ursala Burns of Xerox and Oprah Winfrey, how many prominent Black women CEOs can you name?

And for the rest, the prominent ones are mostly technology, retail or agriculture. HP, IBM, PepsiCo, Kraft, ADM. At least PepsiCo is run by an Indian woman. Otherwise, it's still white and old money.

And the last rags to riches woman CEO who went to state college growing up in the working class neighborhood was... I can't name a single one. Still mostly all waspy or Irish or Italian, went to fancy private school and old money.

Meg Whitman, Chairman and CEO of HP. Ex CEO of EBay/PayPal. Private school. Princeton BA. Harvard MBA. The average American girl doesn't have such opportunity.

Simple. You grew up broke, born to Mr and Mrs John Q Public, the odds are heavily stacked against you. Think there's no glass ceiling?

posted May 30, 2013 09:51 PM            

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A new study by Pew Research Center finds that, more and more, married mothers are earning more than their husbands -- about 23%, up from 4% in 1960. That's nearly one in four families. And although men say they support equality, they are struggling with this new reality.

Take Mina and Rich. They had been married for five years when Mina was appointed dean of admissions at an elite liberal arts college across the country. The couple decided that Rich, a busy attorney in private practice, would take some time off to stay home with their two children, who were 1 and 3, until they decided whether the new town, and her new job, would be a long-term fit

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posted May 31, 2013 01:43 AM            

But, if broken down by sector followed by the distribution of males/females employed in each industry and there respective salaries, you would see conflicting results.

For example Male doctors earn more compared to Female doctors (src: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/06/s tudy-male-doctors-make-12-000-more-than-female-doctors-per-year/258388/, htt p://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/male-doctors-make-12000-annually-female/story?id=16550086#.UagycZzLvG8,http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20030707-10391704.html) but for other sectors its the other way.

Thats why a more accurate study would
break it down by industry, distribution of male/females employed and there earnings.

It's easy for journalists to say anything without going into the details, the devil is always in the details. Although, CNN is diffidently more reputably.

For example when they release jobless numbers and say joblessness declined, at face value it looks like that.

But, at the larger scale it would be less people where looking for employment and other factors not mentioned.

PixieJane,

If you were to do a study matching males vs females employed, the male in the article would be either listed as unemployed or retired and not be considered.

Samantha would then be compared to other males employed in the same industry as her and we would see different results.

"Samantha and Andrei were both struggling artists when they met. But when they decided to start a family, at least one of them needed a full-time job.

They decided it would be Samantha, who had sidelined in real estate for a few months after college. Turns out, she was very good at selling houses."

Samantha would obviously become the more dominate player in the relationship. Andrej should/would have seen it coming.

Art is a field you have to be passion about wealth and employment comes second.

Were as real estate is a wealth driver. Even in a good economy unless your an established artist, its a tough sell being an artist.

posted May 31, 2013 03:16 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I have never understood why some men get insecure about a woman's salary being higher than theirs, it wouldn't bother me at all.

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A part of it has to do with the feeling of loss of power and control. Of course if the relationship is always about control its not a healthy relationship.

If its 50/50 its okay, but if one partner is taking more power and control, whether it be male or female there starts to become a problem.

Plus, some Men and societies still have the old fashion traditional idea that they must be the dominate player. For example look at some of the dominant Islamic continues, good look with sharia law.

Any Lutherans? The man is also suppose to be the dominate player as well. So blame religion.

I have nothing against it as long as they take care of each other and the other partner is able to get back of his/her feet.

When I was an intern one of my coworkers, let his wife quit her job and complete a doctorate in Law.

posted May 31, 2013 03:22 AM            

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SpooL: Plus, some Men and societies still have the old fashion traditional idea that they must be the dominate player.

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posted May 31, 2013 03:32 AM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
I've always thought of it as a social thing...gender roles and all that imposed by society and it plays on male egos, ie. society wants you to be a successful man who has to provide for his family and if you don't you are not manly!

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Gender roles would be classified as "traditional".

I know I'm just an individual.
But, I could care less but society thinks anymore.

Frankly, I think half of society is d*mb enough to jump off a bridge and the other half is dumb enough to follow the first half as a big herd.

Most of the "Men ego" I know is fake anyway
and secretly there in "self inflicted debt" and not as successfully as it seams.

If its genuine that's a different story.

off topic, I'm a guy who is proud to say I have a cat, do you think I care about displaying "manliness" and what society thinks? or be more concerned about the changing realities and being prepared for the next step.

Women opportunities starting opening up during during the second world war.

I think we've had more then 50yrs for men to realize that gender roles were gradually changing and come to terms with the changes.

I've seen some pretty hard core feminist and I would say "wow" and have to take a step back from them. I would say Rosie O'Donnell
is a person I would step away from.

posted May 31, 2013 03:53 AM            

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SpooL: I know I'm just an individual.
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Good! Join the rest of us. Feminism is good because it helps guys too! By abolishing gender roles, feminism liberates men as well as women! Extremists in feminism is like extremists in any group be it religion or political parties, etc., and shouldn't be couldn't as representative of feminism, as I'm sure you know.

posted May 31, 2013 04:03 AM            

I let a guy live with me once because I liked him and didn't want him on the streets, and friends I had at the time thought I was crazy, that he was taking advantage of me and that I should get rid of him. I pointed out that he was actually helpful, did errands, chores, made me laugh, and that's all worth money (more money than I had if I were to hire cleaning services, personal assistant, tickets to comedy shows, etc), but they all saw it as "not counting" because a man has to bring in money, and often more money than that.

I overheard 2 women talking about how they should push their boyfriends to take a temporary, minimum wage paying job that was extremely abusive, degrading, and even a little dangerous, and I thought that is not love, they actually made me think a little of pimps.

A friend of mine was a professional author once and now writes fanfic for fun. But as this didn't make money his then wife forbade him from doing it. He had a full time job (and working with the criminally insane, I wanted him to quit, but his wife didn't, and he felt too guilty about not taking the only job available to him at the time) AND still gets royalties from his books, so he's providing plenty, but his wife tells him that since he's writing for fun instead of profit then it's a vice and he's not to do it. And unfortunately, he internalized that message as much as she did, which too me is as stupid and needlessly harmful as the message that women are for sex and attracting men. (I told him that he should tell his wife that he wasn't going to have sex with her unless someone got paid because people shouldn't do what they love for fun, only money. )

posted May 31, 2013 09:01 AM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
I've always thought of it as a social thing...gender roles and all that imposed by society and it plays on male egos, ie. society wants you to be a successful man who has to provide for his family and if you don't you are not manly!

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I would happily go back to work and support my husband while he furthered his academic pursuits, but I do not make as much as he does and he'd view any "suffering" (as perceived by him) to be his fault for not providing all that he thinks we need.

posted May 31, 2013 09:09 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
And then there's the idea that a man who makes less is taking advantage of a woman, so females enforce the gender roles in this way as well.

I let a guy live with me once because I liked him and didn't want him on the streets, and friends I had at the time thought I was crazy, that he was taking advantage of me and that I should get rid of him. I pointed out that he was actually helpful, did errands, chores, made me laugh, and that's all worth money (more money than I had if I were to hire cleaning services, personal assistant, tickets to comedy shows, etc), but they all saw it as "not counting" because a man has to bring in money, and often more money than that.

I overheard 2 women talking about how they should push their boyfriends to take a temporary, minimum wage paying job that was extremely abusive, degrading, and even a little dangerous, and I thought that is not love, they actually made me think a little of pimps.

A friend of mine was a professional author once and now writes fanfic for fun. But as this didn't make money his then wife forbade him from doing it. He had a full time job (and working with the criminally insane, I wanted him to quit, but his wife didn't, and he felt too guilty about not taking the only job available to him at the time) AND still gets royalties from his books, so he's providing plenty, but his wife tells him that since he's writing for fun instead of profit then it's a vice and he's not to do it. And unfortunately, he internalized that message as much as she did, which too me is as stupid and needlessly harmful as the message that women are for sex and attracting men. (I told him that he should tell his wife that he wasn't going to have sex with her unless someone got paid because people shouldn't do what they love for fun, only money. )

Of course not everyone is like that, but many are, of both genders, and it polices both genders, so that even a professional woman is going to be judged more by her appearance by other women as well as men rather than by her professional accomplishments and men judged by how well they provide. I think that's changing slowly, but still the dominant paradigm, and I do wish both genders could become a lot more flexible about their roles without feeling pointless shame or doing something that leads to hating one's life...but then I suppose the psychiatric profession would be endangered if we weren't so needlessly harsh on ourselves and each other to conform to arbitrary roles.

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This reminds me of something I read the other day...

*goes to look for it*

Here it is: http://mobile.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/05/24/atlantic_gay_marriage_story_what_we_can_learn_from_gay_couples.html

posted May 31, 2013 03:41 PM            

Nice. And I couldn't help but notice this being linked to as well (which deals directly with what I posted):
http://mobile.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013 /05/30/four_out_of_ten_households_have_female_breadwinners_fox_news_responds_with.html

posted May 31, 2013 08:36 PM            

That's not the first time, though it is rare (IIRC, she also called guys out previously, once one of the men called for Bill O'Reilly to defend him and he said, "I'm staying out of this one" )

I did a fanfic (but it contains a lot of inside jokes that only devoted members of the fandom would get so I never put it up at FF), but unfortunately I can't get to it at the moment as the board it's on is currently infected with malware, but I did have a character talking with Ann Coulter and the conversation went something like this, and plenty told me they loved this part:

Ann Coulter: "So, do you vote?"

Jane: "You said women shouldn't vote because we're more likely to vote for the welfare state over the warfare state."

Ann Coulter: "Not a direct answer to my question, I'm impressed. So I take it you do vote?"