posted July 10, 2013 02:16 PM            

Thank you for sharing your story, Ceridwen.

You're a brave woman.

And an inspiration to me now.

posted July 10, 2013 02:29 PM            

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posted July 10, 2013 02:39 PM            

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posted July 10, 2013 04:07 PM            

*Hugs, Doux* You're such a great person, I hope you see that!!

posted July 10, 2013 09:15 PM            

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Ceridwen: I especially love No 5

And there is much truth in it.

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posted July 11, 2013 02:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Thanks everyone for your input.

I'm not feeling well right now.

Talking / reading about it makes me want to cry because I feel so powerless.

I used to have eating disorders so nutrition and food and weight are always a difficult topic to talk about.

I feel powerless.

Need some time to calm myself down.

This may sound so silly to an outsider, because it's just FOOD.

But to me it's like.. this huge issue that makes my life more difficult than it should be.

I've gained so much weight and it makes me feel so miserable.

I don't want to talk about it anymore...

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LOng distance HUGS to you lovely girl!!!!!!

posted July 11, 2013 03:09 AM            

I think fasting is a good idea if you want to change your eating habits.

posted July 11, 2013 04:56 AM            

I tried fasting, it didn't work very well - the cravings came back x100 stronger, and I started bingeing big time.

I'm just trying to eat less, right now.

Still not very healthy food but not in huge amounts.

This will take time and probably external help but I'll try to take better care of myself.

posted July 11, 2013 06:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Thank you all, again.

I tried fasting, it didn't work very well - the cravings came back x100 stronger, and I started bingeing big time.

I'm just trying to eat less, right now.

Still not very healthy food but not in huge amounts.

This will take time and probably external help but I'll try to take better care of myself.

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Doux, when you eat after fasting, start with a bowl of soup, it's kinda like water, it fills you up so by the time you start with the solid food you'll be almost full(if not full already). And one final thing, ALWAYS CHEW YOUR FOOD PROPERLY. When you eat fast and swallow the food immediately, your brain is still on hungry mode so you start stuffing yourself and after you're done(like 10 min after you're done eating), you'll feel really bloated and stuffed.

posted July 11, 2013 06:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
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yup and it cleanses the body!

I think fasting is a good idea if you want to change your eating habits.

Once you're done with fasting you'll probably feel more liberated and less likely to pick up that bag of chips.

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posted July 11, 2013 07:27 AM            

However I don´t think fasting is necessarily a good idea, if you have issues around eating.. Though for some people it can work well, for others it might end up being a disaster.

The clue is to find back to a normal eating behaviour, as you can`t be fastening for the rest of your lives (or don´t want to maybe).
That is something that needs to be re-learned; otherwise people will fall back into the binge eating trap after fastening.

However, fastening is very good for cleansin, making a clean cut and then start over, hopefully learning a better healthier way of eating. But the learn process has to take place, it doesn`t come automatically with fastening.

Interestingly, and I never would have thought before, I slipped into fastening for one to two days per week. Nothing I intended to, it just sort of evolved out of my weekly routine.

But for me this just happened after changing my eating behaviour. And was just natural part of an internal cleansing process.

posted July 11, 2013 07:44 AM            

However I don´t think fasting is necessarily a good idea, if you have issues around eating.. Though for some people it can work well, for others it might end up being a disaster.

^^ ^^^ I don't agree with what you said. Look at this way, do you think every muslim who fasts does it so effortlessly? Some of the people in some countries like saudi arabia(where the obesity rate is extremely high) are FORCED to fast. I lived there at some point . Many people there are morbidly obese and yet they still fast EVERY ramadan(for 30 days) and have to go to school, uni or work everyday normally. Heck, school hours don't even become shorter. No exceptions are made.

Look, everyone has a problem with giving up food and water especially if they're fasting the way muslims do from 4 ish Am to 6 or 7 pm (depends on the time of the prayer). I mean that's really a long time and its extremely tough, especially when you have to work throughout the day (go to your job, school etc..) My point is that doux can try this out (maybe not fast for that long) it really does help control your eating habits. I know some morbidly obese people who fast the whole 30 days, I mean, it must be hell for these people. Fasting teaches you willpower to control what you eat. The point of fasting is to feel with poor people who don't have ANYTHING and who sometimes sleep without eating and to make you have more willpower over yourself and what you eat. It helps you appreciate the fact that you do not have to go to bed starving like some people. It makes you "eat to live" not "live to eat."

Anyway, doux is free to take my advice or not. I'm telling her this from experience. We can give doux reve advice from here until tomorrow and it won't anything unless she's willing to change her eating habit by putting effort into it and suffering a little.

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posted July 11, 2013 08:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
This thread is not about fasting but emotional eating. I love to fast. It is cleansing to body and mind imo

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posted July 11, 2013 08:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Pisces-Sweety:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ceridwen:
[B]Thank you.

However I don´t think fasting is necessarily a good idea, if you have issues around eating.. Though for some people it can work well, for others it might end up being a disaster.

^^ ^^^ I don't agree with what you said. Look at this way, do you think every muslim who fasts does it so effortlessly? Some of the people in some countries like saudi arabia(where the obesity rate is extremely high) are FORCED to fast. I lived there at some point . Many people there are morbidly obese and yet they still fast EVERY ramadan(for 30 days) and have to go to school, uni or work everyday normally. Heck, school hours don't even become shorter. No exceptions are made.

Look, everyone has a problem with giving up food and water especially if they're fasting the way muslims do from 4 ish Am to 6 or 7 pm (depends on the time of the prayer). I mean that's really a long time and its extremely tough, especially when you have to work throughout the day (go to your job, school etc..) My point is that doux can try this out (maybe not fast for that long) it really does help control your eating habits. I know some morbidly obese people who fast the whole 30 days, I mean, it must be hell for these people. Fasting teaches you willpower to control what you eat. The point of fasting is to feel with poor people who don't have ANYTHING and who sometimes sleep without eating and to make you have more willpower over yourself and what you eat. It helps you appreciate the fact that you do not have to go to bed starving like some people. It makes you "eat to live" not "live to eat."

Anyway, doux is free to take my advice or not. I'm telling her this from experience. We can give doux reve advice from here until tomorrow and it won't anything unless she's willing to change her eating habit by putting effort into it and suffering a little.

Nothing comes easy and this applies to everything.

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What happens after the fasting?
THAT was my point.

Fasting doesn´t teach you healthy eating; it provides an opportunity to "quit" for a while, make a clear cut, and yes it is AMAZING for cleansing, I totally agree on that.
But what happens afterwards?

The morbidly obese people stop suddenly being obese? Yes?
In general? Everyone?

not going to happen. Fasting can be a start, but it has to be accompanied with a conscious change in eating habit.

And btw Doux already stated that she has tried fasting before.

posted July 11, 2013 09:02 AM            

Since everyone said it all, I just want to give you a very big hug. I hope you feel better soon.

posted July 11, 2013 09:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
What happens after the fasting?
THAT was my point.

Fasting doesn´t teach you healthy eating; it provides an opportunity to "quit" for a while, make a clear cut, and yes it is AMAZING for cleansing, I totally agree on that.
But what happens afterwards?

The morbidly obese people stop suddenly being obese? Yes?
In general? Everyone?

not going to happen. Fasting can be a start, but it has to be accompanied with a conscious change in eating habit.

And btw Doux already stated that she has tried fasting before.

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What happens afterwards is that you stop feeling hungry at random hours because your body was able to tolerate staying without food or water for long hours. The point is that after you're done fasting, you can be able to control when you eat (ex. Time when you eat and in that way, you can adjust your food intake to whenever you want and it wont be as hard as it was when you used to feel hungry at random hours.) the problem with obese people is that most of them learn nothing after fasting. They think like " oh im done fasting now I can binge out again". Instead of realizing that now, they can control what they eat and when they eat.

posted July 11, 2013 09:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Thank you all, again.

I tried fasting, it didn't work very well - the cravings came back x100 stronger, and I started bingeing big time.

I'm just trying to eat less, right now.

Still not very healthy food but not in huge amounts.

This will take time and probably external help but I'll try to take better care of myself.

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doux,

posted July 11, 2013 09:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Pisces-Sweety:
What happens afterwards is that you stop feeling hungry at random hours because your body was able to tolerate staying without food or water for long hours. The point is that after you're done fasting, you can be able to control when you eat (ex. Time when you eat and in that way, you can adjust your food intake to whenever you want and it wont be as hard as it was when you used to feel hungry at random hours.) the problem with obese people is that most of them learn nothing after fasting. They think like " oh im done fasting now I can binge out again". Instead of realizing that now, they can control what they eat and when they eat.

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Just what I said. Exactly.

There is a reason people binge, and it actually doesn´t have to do with food that much.
Most obese people know they CAN control their eating. They just don´t do.
I don´t want to generalize though, there might be different reasons for that.

posted July 11, 2013 09:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Thanks everyone for your input.

I'm not feeling well right now.

Talking / reading about it makes me want to cry because I feel so powerless.

I used to have eating disorders so nutrition and food and weight are always a difficult topic to talk about.

I feel powerless.

Need some time to calm myself down.

This may sound so silly to an outsider, because it's just FOOD.

But to me it's like.. this huge issue that makes my life more difficult than it should be.

I've gained so much weight and it makes me feel so miserable.

I don't want to talk about it anymore...

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posted July 11, 2013 09:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
That is cool, Pisces-Sweetie. I was not being snippy when I said it. I was just trying to stay on track.

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