posted September 01, 2013 08:41 AM            

Sorry to hear about your troubles.

I took a look at your daughter's chart and the things that jumped out at me were the 7th/8th house stelliums and Saturn conjunct Moon and Sun, both square Pluto (widely but still).

I think she feels too oppressed and controlled by you or any authority figure. That's why she rebels (Aqua) and acts violent and aggressive (Pluto).

There's an obvious lack of support here, *from her perspective*, she may have felt abandoned by her father (Sun conjunct Saturn) and emotionally abandoned by you (Moon conjunct Saturn).

There may be a deep resentment here that's not easy to spot and definitely not easy to express or heal.

I really think she needs to find herself alone and figure herself out.
You being in her way will only aggravate the situation, in my opinion.
She's not yet ready to face the emotional traumas she went through and that's what's causing her all the tension and aggression.

She has SN on the ASC - very independent, rebellious, not very cooperative or compromising. Immature emotionally (Cancer), karma related to family and the home.

She needs to grow into her NN in Cap, on the DSC conjunct Venus - learn self-sufficiency, responsability, hard work, ambition.
And of course cooperation, compromise, loving and harmonious relationships (Venus, DSC).
It's not easy for her, it doesn't come naturally, because it's on the DSC *and* the NN is involved. It'll be a life long lesson for her.
To work with others, to listen, to "relate" in fair, calm way.

Mars conjunct Neptune and Uranus causes a lot of confusion / erratic behaviour because she doesn't know where to channel the energy. It comes out in her relationships (7th).

I think it would be very useful for her to find an occupation that she enjoys. Her NN is technically in the 6th - that means that the way to peaceful relationships may be through her work or some sort of occupation that makes her feel useful or needed.

She may have a talent for writing or communicating ideas (Jupiter in the 3rd) so she may use that communication gift to help others or give advice, or just write / talk about 7th house things (Jupiter is supported by trines from the 7th house).

Cancer on the ASC is an emotional, sensitive placement that can easily become defensive and shut off when it wants to withdraw.

It's important that she learn how to detach from her emotions and impulses, so that she can be more calm and make rational decisions.

The next few years will be tough for her because transit Uranus and Pluto are, and will be, all over her Capricorn stellium.
It will be very tough for her, and for you.
Pluto is now on her DSC - showing the upheaval in relationships and the need to transform and evolve through close association.
Venus is also touched, again highlighting the relationship focus, and her social (Venus rules the 11th) and family (Venus co-rules the IC) relationships.

When tUranus and tPluto hit her natal Uranus, something big is probably gonna happen, either internally or / and externally - Uranus disposits her Aquarius placements so it will be very personal, very powerful.

I hope this clarifies some things for you.

Like I said, I think you'd better get out of her way for now.
She's dealing with too much internal pressure to be able to deal with you effectively.
I'm afraid your interference will only make it worse.
She needs time to figure out what she's feeling, why, and where she wants to go from there.

I am sure your daughter will be fine after that transformation.

Be there for her if she needs support, but try to release her and set her free in some way.
It doesn't have to be physical, although it could be more effective.
Just give her space to do her own thing.

I sincerely wish you the best of luck, hippi, and I'm sure you'll make the right decision.

posted September 01, 2013 10:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:

My parents had a non bs policy, you broke too many rules, don't let the door hit you on the way the way out.

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posted September 01, 2013 10:19 AM            

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Originally posted by cappy1277:
Sometimes we just have to push them out the door and lock it to hope that we raised them with enough common sense to do the right thing or run the risk of a co-dependent relationship with your 40 year old child who will never get it together. that is a scarier thought than what is going on now.

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posted September 01, 2013 10:30 AM            

Doux--this is interesting. SN conj ASC gives a boldness and a confidence, you are saying?

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posted September 01, 2013 12:19 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Hippichick,

You are extremely commendable for all that you have done. I'm holding you in admiration.

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absolutely!

posted September 01, 2013 01:41 PM            

Thank you all SOOOO much!

At work, will be back soon!

posted September 01, 2013 04:04 PM            

don't know what to tell you, but i know a few people who have your dilemma so i know why 'throwing her out' isn't a choice for you....i hope others don't judge you on it, as no one knows what you are going through, but you as this isn't the ordinary thing to happen.
if she does that with her own mother....

posted September 01, 2013 07:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Doux--this is interesting. SN conj ASC gives a boldness and a confidence, you are saying?

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Not necessarily confidence, that can be undermined by other things in the chart.
It inclines someone to independence and self-centeredness, and probably a fear of commitment.

Lack of concern / compromise in close relationships can be a problem - socially it may appear that they are friendly and warm but in close personal relationships, the "warrior" side comes out (ASC = Aries) and may be quite selfish - making decisions by themselves, not talking things out, acting on impulse, and so on.

posted September 01, 2013 10:28 PM            

She is a gifted writer and wants to go into psychology and is quite good at it!

O, she has BIG time with authority figures....seen her in the back of cop cars a time or two I tell her to "shut up"

And she does not and "authority" does not back down.

I dont know if I mentioned her dad killed himself when she was 9. Due to the circumstances of we 3 being scared all of the time, there was never a true mother relationship, so we became best friends.

She always tells me "I want a MOM! but usually when she is drunk (truth serum/)

Yea, her Cancer and Aqua moon, I am sure give her problems.

Will write more tomorrow, tired, just got off work.

And yes you have clarified So many things and given me HOPE!

ya know, years ago, I just kept out of her way, but being such an abused woman, by her dad, it is hard for me to back down.

But I am looking at it kind of like this...do what I need to survive, just like with her dad.

I wanted to call her all day, she pulled another shenanigan last night, was wasted, having arrythmias, got her bfriend to call EMS and end up in the ER...I got there around 2:30 this morning, had to be at work at 6:30, I, as a clinician decided she was stable, she said F-YOu so I left her to her bfriend.

She is trying to stay with him more and I refraind from calling her all day, till she contacted me.

Tierd...one hour of sleep last night...

be back tomorrow..

shazbot, nanu, nanu

posted September 01, 2013 10:32 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Hippichick,

You are extremely commendable for all that you have done. I'm holding you in admiration.

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Thank you, hon, I just keep on keepin on... When she was born, many family members said things like "I just dont know why you dont crawl up in a hole and die.."

posted September 01, 2013 10:33 PM            

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Originally posted by cappy1277:
absolutely!

It's one thing to have children live with you past the prime of when you want them to leave but it's another to have a co-dependent relationship with your children. It's a set up for failure as we will not always be around to care for them and besides when do our lives start? If they are self sufficient, have the means to take care of themselves, etc, I wouldn't mind but my intention is to have some weight lifted off of me as they get older. we have dedicated our lives to care for them, eventually we will want that break to be carefree.

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posted September 02, 2013 01:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
shazbot, nanu, nanu

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I just love Mork!

Hey...going home now!!!!

posted September 02, 2013 07:16 AM            

Thank you for the kind words.
I'm glad I could help you some.

I think it's much easier to deal with someone once you know more about them and how they see things. Sometimes we're not aware of what's going on in people's minds, and of course astrology cannot tell that with certainty, but still - it does shed some light.

Take good care of yourself.

You're obviously a very strong woman, and I know you'll get through this.

Just do what you feel is the right thing to do.
Your intuition will guide you.

posted September 02, 2013 08:26 PM            

Thank you again...

Hats off to you!

You are excellent!

A strange synchronicty placed itself upon me today...that made me realize I am on the right path with Sam...

In the morning, may post on Randall's sync thread....

Cause it was so, so phenominally personal to me.

Thank you, thank you, thank YOU!!!!

posted September 04, 2013 04:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't think artificial measures effect the chart such as C sec etc
I think God foreknew this and it is always the chart it is supposed to be imo, anyway.

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posted September 04, 2013 07:06 AM            

You are very welcome!
And thank you for your kind words.

I hope things are getting better for you.
Stay strong and do what you gotta do, you'll make the right decision, I'm sure about that.

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Originally posted by Brendan34:
How can God foreknow how someone is born?

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posted September 04, 2013 10:32 AM            

I know how much you love her, as her mother, and I cannot imagine the difficulty of seeing her flounder and struggle so much.

I have not read all the comments in this thread, or seen astrologically what could be afflicting her.

I pray that you will find the answer of what to do from here, and that everything works out for the best.

posted September 04, 2013 10:51 AM            

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Originally posted by ghanima81:
So sorry for all this stress, T.

I know how much you love her, as her mother, and I cannot imagine the difficulty of seeing her flounder and struggle so much.

I have not read all the comments in this thread, or seen astrologically what could be afflicting her.

I pray that you will find the answer of what to do from here, and that everything works out for the best.

Blessed be, dear lady.

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posted September 04, 2013 10:58 AM            

She has an appointment with her cardiologist this morning, which she has refused to do for 3 years, (she needs yearlys) and has expressed to me the possibility of getting on a head med.

posted September 04, 2013 06:45 PM            

geezzzz...

posted April 19, 2014 02:58 PM            

Per her transits, I predicted April-May for an emotional and physical breakdown.

In December she had open heart surgery, a few complications, but basically went well.

Got pregnant in January, but it was too hard on her body so she aborted last week.

I closed on my house the end of March, so we just got a little rental, she now has a car looking for a job and I will be leaving this wretched city and state as soon as she gets on her feet.

Again, thank you.

I gave her a partial copy of this a while back, she agreed and I brought up the April/May timing.

You are absolutely amazing.

Thank you