posted January 21, 2014 10:02 PM            

I would love a Harley and Ivy movie....that's all I ever wanted....

OR MAYBE I'M ASKING FOR TOO MUCH.
I mean Hunger games is ridiculously popular with main heroine... it can happen but the industry is too lazy.

posted January 22, 2014 12:05 AM            

Hmm, b/c most of the comic book super heroes were male characters and the readership was largely male

Video games are different deal there were several female heroines who have had films based on the characters.

posted January 22, 2014 12:06 AM            

I find it really odd that it has taken North America sooooo long to realize the potential of adding strong female leads in their action based movies and even then in many cases, such movies fall short of expectations and end up drowning themselves within self imposed cinematic cliches.

Quite a few Japanese animes IMO have nailed down the strong female protagonist archetype perfectly well . Personal favs. include:

Major Motoko from Ghost in the Shell:

(BTW: They REALLY need to make a GITS live action movie.)

Balalika from Black Lagoon:

Yes that is a burn scar on her face.

Deunan Knute from Appleseed:

posted January 22, 2014 12:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:

Hmm, b/c most of the comic book super heroes were male characters and the readership was largely male

Video games are different deal there were several female heroines who have had films based on the characters.

They'd sort of have to start from scratch, Wonder Woman (Linda Carter) had her own show in the 70's so I'd think she'd have a wider audience recognition.

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LOL WOW.. That's the flawed thinking of the producers from your generation. GURLS LIEK THE ROMCOMS LoL

That's a stereotype from a previous generation maybe. Where guys had geeky hobbies and girls hobbies were looking hot and going on dates LOL.

posted January 22, 2014 12:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Xodian:
I don't know... Harley and Ivy seem more like a comic relief duo as opposed to a pair who deserve the spotlight as the main protagonists in their own movie. Such a movie would be as bad as the new Green Hornet remake (and that movie sucked ass.)

I find it really odd that it has taken North America sooooo long to realize the potential of adding strong female leads in their action based movies and even then in many cases, such movies fall short of expectations and end up drowning themselves within self imposed cinematic cliches.

Quite a few Japanese animes IMO have nailed down the strong female protagonist archetype perfectly well . Personal favs. include:

Major Motoko from Ghost in the Shell:

(BTW: They REALLY need to make a GITS live action movie.)

Balalika from Black Lagoon:

Yes that is a burn scar on her face.

Deunan Knute from Appleseed:

(In her case, I am a bit biased since her character reminds me of the missus; Both looks wise and character wise . She rocks.)

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posted January 22, 2014 03:15 AM            

And I wasn't aware that Hunger Games had much of a male fanbase (and seems to me most of the female fanbase was drooling over Josh Hutcherson more than admiring Katniss, save for her being with Peeta of course), though plenty of guys clearly preferred to be dragged to see that instead of the Twilight movies.

As for Japanese anime fan service, those most popular to females tend to be the target audience, not males. There's even a distinction (and noticeable difference in story, characters, etc) between the "gay male romance" genre, one by gay males for gay males (bara) and the other by women for women (yuri).

I'd guess Wonder Woman could be made to work for guys easy enough (show enough skin and put in enough butt kicking action should do it), probably not women so much unless they make the character a lot more interesting, IMO (and I don't mean magic items but an interesting PERSON, like Katniss of the Hunger Games and the cast of Buffy were interesting with ways the audience could relate to rather than just shallow fantasies of smacking around bad guys).

posted January 22, 2014 04:58 AM            

There's also..

Catwoman

and..

Elektra

posted January 22, 2014 06:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
LOL WOW.. That's the flawed thinking of the producers from your generation. GURLS LIEK THE ROMCOMS LoL

That's a stereotype from a previous generation maybe. Where guys had geeky hobbies and girls hobbies were looking hot and going on dates LOL.

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Still not quite broad enough of a market, you may not "LIEK" it, if a production company is going to drop the 100 million plus into a film, they would unsurprisingly want the deck stacked as much as they can manage.

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Most girls I know that are into comic books and video games, at least in this generation. Obviously women would rather see a female character they can identify with.. Why hunger games became so popular. Same with buffy who was practically a superhero.
Guess what men aren't the only ones who watch these superhero franchises..
It's the girls who hang up posters of hunky superman. Men could care less what he looks like.

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Video Games is where the superheroine films are to found today, even then the crossover male/female market is just not all that large.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970204603004577267832212316716

Good breakdown of the marketing of the Hunger Games film portion, interesting to note they reference Twilight which also featured a love triangle.

posted January 22, 2014 01:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:

Hmm, b/c most of the comic book super heroes were male characters and the readership was largely male

Video games are different deal there were several female heroines who have had films based on the characters.

They'd sort of have to start from scratch, Wonder Woman (Linda Carter) had her own show in the 70's so I'd think she'd have a wider audience recognition.

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posted January 22, 2014 01:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Kero -

There's also..

Catwoman

and..

Elektra

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posted January 22, 2014 03:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
really now..
These movies are BLOCK BUSTER FILMS.

These movies are for everyone. So the public can pay money to watch them.. -___-.
not just nerdy little fan boys because they will buy anything..
They don't needy to spend so much money to make these films, but they do it so everyone and their mum will sit and watching them with their friends.
Even if you watch the E channel you see them covering it LOL.

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posted January 22, 2014 06:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
really now..
These movies are BLOCK BUSTER FILMS.

These movies are for everyone. So the public can pay money to watch them.. -___-.
not just nerdy little fan boys because they will buy anything..
They don't needy to spend so much money to make these films, but they do it so everyone and their mum will sit and watching them with their friends.
Even if you watch the E channel you see them covering it LOL.

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9 figure budget, yes, they'd want as wide a market as possible, fan boy nerds and grrlz

Personally I thought Sharon Stone in the "Quick and the Dead" was great, and a pity Aeon Flux has long since been forgotten

A modern film that does a character justice will cost 100 million dollars to produce, at least, especially with the FX such films require.

"slave owner"

posted January 22, 2014 06:35 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Yes there are some women/girls who like action movies and video games but the majority of the fans are still men/boys. The majority usually dictates things lol .

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Think of this, twilight and the hunger games have made a lot of $$$ for entertainment businesses, HOWEVER, they also contained plots that required not only best selling books so the back story is known, but love triangles, which is not exactly what Kero has in mind (IMO).

Strong female character who is just applauded for being strong w/o the love triangle angle.

Which probably won't happen for a long time not b/c of fan boy nerds but b/c the female portion of the market WANTS to see the protagonist "get what she WANTS".

This is one of the things I enjoy about the Resident Evil series, Alice just does what she does w/ the oh so predictable stuff.

posted January 22, 2014 06:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
the Hunger Games definitely has a male fan base. Every second guy on my FB liked the first Hunger Games. I'm not so sure about the sequel, but they definitely liked the first film and it made archery extra popular.

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I haven't done any market research on it but when I was dragged to see it the cinema was packed with way more females, and it was true again when I went to see it myself for a second time. And the girls keep crushing on Peeta and/or Josh Hutcherson. I haven't known any boys with Hunger Games posters yet (not even of Katniss) or otherwise show anywhere near the same level of enthusiasm as the girl fanbase.

That said, I've heard the boys who get dragged to see it with their girlfriends don't put up a fight to see it or make fun of it the way they do Twilight, and I can understand how such a movie of intense competition even against friends ordered by adults could appeal to boys as well (should remind all too many of their parents, coaches, etc, in a metaphoric way, especially Peeta who wants to remain himself). Yet older males OL keep wanting to dismiss Hunger Games as a ripoff of earlier movies (which some then say are ripoffs of even earlier movies). I haven't heard many adult males IRL say much about it, however. 'Course it's kinda funny, it's Katniss who does the killing while Peeta hides, "strategically surrenders," runs, and gets saved by his girlfriend over and over again. I loved the gender role reversal but I can see why it might make some guys uncomfortable.

posted January 22, 2014 06:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
This is one of the things I enjoy about the Resident Evil series, Alice just does what she does w/ the oh so predictable stuff.

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I thought she WAS popular among both genders, at least in the first movie (and sorta the second). It seemed everyone was telling me how awesome the first movie was, save the video game geeks who have to have a hissy over everything "it got wrong" anyway. The popularity of character declined as the movies got increasingly absurd but I'd think the first movie shows it can be done.

Still, there's something about having a life besides fighting crime. I haven't seen a bunch of girls wanting to see the same thing that guys do, not unless it's done right. Buffy did it with friendship, family, love interests and other soap opera drama along with some comedy, but had Buffy just been some loner who hid like batman and came out to fight vampires pretty much by herself (with Giles being her Alfred) then the show would've tanked, certainly among females anyway.

posted January 22, 2014 07:29 PM            

Perhaps I'm a bit odd PJ, I've enjoyed every Resident Evil film

Thought 7 of 9 was also a great and interesting character from the Star Trek milieu, (and Jeri Ryan has a great sense of humor and speaks Klingon)

If one thinks about it, parents take their charges to films (movies is a really bad term btw) so it takes time for known characters to cycle through to cinema

Elektra's heyday was in the early 80's, cycle through to when the film was made and one can see the time/creation loop.

That is how the entertainment biz, when it concerns "super hero" characters works.