posted January 28, 2014 08:47 PM            

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Ah Sarah Silverman . Gotta love her!

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posted January 28, 2014 08:52 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
It's funny that you say that because I have read parts of the Koran and it indeed promotes misogyny. To say it doesn't implies : 1. You are completely ignorant of it and have never read it -or- 2. You ignore the parts you find disturbing like most religious people. I tend to believe you fall into the 2nd category . I am very familiar with this type of person because they are very common in the Christian faith. These are the Christians who actively condemn gays and point out scriptures that back them up while ignoring the scriptures condemning women being leaders in the church , for example. Or the Muslims who say "Islam is a religion of peace" and ignore all the passages in the Koran that promote violence against Christians and Jews . I don't have a problem with people abandoning outdated beliefs , but I do have a problem with people pretending those beliefs aren't a part of their holy books. I'm a 9th house singleton Pluto in Scorpio and I love studying religion and spirituality, including the dark sides. It irks me that people choose to pick and choose what they are going to follow while claiming their holy book is infallible.

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Offcourse those violent beliefs exist and yes they aren't meant to be ignored nor do I accept them as the universal truth; But rather a reflection of the times. The Koran in itself has been misinterpreted quite a few times and those "violent" passages were meant as an "optional" proposal to self-defense and SELF-DEFENSE ONLY! Terrorist attacks on civilian targets targeting the innocent or Misogynistic oppression of women can't be justified as self defense.

To put it all in perspective, you have to consider the history of Islam and the oppressive conditions that Muslims were facing. After the Islamic faith gained popularity in Makkah, Muslims were persecuted by the "then" prominent pagan population; Often stoned on the street or outright killed.

When Muslims immigrated from Makkah to Medina, Muslims were openly attacked on their immigration route and a lot of them died. Once they had settled down in Medina, several attempts were made by Neighbouring pagan states to wipe them out.

Hence why the concept of justified self defense was created and it allowed Muslims to fend off attacks against armies which were usually three to four times their size.

But that was then and this is now and all of those violent passages do not apply to peaceful times. The concept of such spiritual dichotomy can be seen in quite a few belief systems including Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, etc. Some of the deadliest Martial Arts in the world for instance originated from Buddhist Monasteries.

HOWEVER this is where the ideals of temperance and self control come in. You have been given the freedom to defend yourself but that doesn't mean that ANY given conflict entitles you to use violence to reach your goal. That is where the other 90% of religious teachings come in.

So here you have it; Here is the FACTUAL outlook of the violent scriptures of religious texts through a historical perspective. I'll let your 9th house singelton chew on that for a bit.

posted January 28, 2014 09:08 PM            

This topic is really....meh.
I don't have an opinion at all.

posted January 28, 2014 09:39 PM            

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Just be happy with your own choices.
What I don't like is when people get self righteous and preachy.

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LoL

But how could anyone possibly be happy with a choice of 'cheap sex' that will clearly lead them to much bitterness and regret down the line ----purely in virtue of the fact that it's cheap?
Clearly, we all know expensive things are always better than cheap things. This is why you should always pay good money for an expensive prostitute who gives you a bj in the bathroom of a five star hotel and not the bathroom of a bar.

posted January 29, 2014 12:00 AM            

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Originally posted by page one:
Ha, so that's it. He's judging casual sex as cheap and overrated. Well, God forbid someone should advise you to know what you're getting yourself into, because if you don't you can get burnt. There is something very strange going on here that has nothing to do with that quote.

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Heh, I have my head fitted for the Martyr's Crown (size 16..chop chop)

I do think Xodiian is basically correct, there is a difference b/t physical need, and actual meaningful intercourse

Refuse to get to graphic, it's the difference b/t a train being run in the bathroom of a bar and actually "feeling" the other person.

posted January 29, 2014 12:06 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
It's funny that you say that because I have read parts of the Koran and it indeed promotes misogyny. To say it doesn't implies : 1. You are completely ignorant of it and have never read it -or- 2. You ignore the parts you find disturbing like most religious people. I tend to believe you fall into the 2nd category . I am very familiar with this type of person because they are very common in the Christian faith. These are the Christians who actively condemn gays and point out scriptures that back them up while ignoring the scriptures condemning women being leaders in the church , for example. Or the Muslims who say "Islam is a religion of peace" and ignore all the passages in the Koran that promote violence against Christians and Jews . I don't have a problem with people abandoning outdated beliefs , but I do have a problem with people pretending those beliefs aren't a part of their holy books. I'm a 9th house singleton Pluto in Scorpio and I love studying religion and spirituality, including the dark sides. It irks me that people pick and choose what they are going to follow while claiming their holy book is infallible.

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This is yet another fallacy foisted upon us, I've read the Qur'an, the idea is to be a PROTECTOR

The real issue is what is being protected, and that more or less boils down to Tradition and Sufi's or other Teachers.

I'm not a huge fan of Islam, mainly b/c how the views of Christ were formed, however at it's core, Islam is quite honorable

posted January 29, 2014 12:33 AM            

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real world, experience.

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But which part of the real world?

posted January 29, 2014 12:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
But which part of the real world?

Pretty please visit Finland or other parts of Northern Europe.
I am not joking or being sarcastic.
You'll be surprised at the new experiences you have.

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Oh, my adventures have been satisfying as it is Odette

Only way I can put this is in terms of age gap, once one has done a lot and I do mean a lot, and has seen a lot, and talked w/those who have been done things as well, it forms the basis of an informed opinion.

Perhaps not an agreeable informed opinion, that I'll grant

It's more I've seen so much carnage produced, so many tearful regrets, I'd prefer to spare people from it

From my POV, AG's lamenting about girls going for bad boys is little different from girls complaining about the bad boys

FWIW, it also cuts across sexual orientations, from bicurious to committed homosexuals and lesbians..

That either really really upsets, or in the worst cast, does not bother at all, it is a handshake or desperation.

I "get" youth will do what you do, and agree I still do to this day, that is my nature, have seen quite enough gages inserted into lower lips and then tears when things do not work out.

posted January 29, 2014 06:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
And in that sense I "get" Xodiian, where we disagree is on the ground, real world, experience.

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Your real world experience. Emphasis on YOUR Experiences. Padre, your experiences don't govern the lives of billions of people who live in this world.

Without getting into too much details about my personal life (given the fact that we will be crossing into the "TMI" territory,) there is a reason why I posted my wife's article in the beginning of this thread and that was to distinguish f***ing from spirituality.

posted February 01, 2014 04:42 PM            

One of them was a mutual friend of ours who wanted to question the spiritual side of sex. And I swear I loved my wife's reply!

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Wife: Moral ambiguity surrounding sex and religion doesn't needs to exist. We all seek piety through meditation and its during meditation that we feel oneness with a higher power. Why can't that connection be achieved through lovemaking and sex? It only matters if you do feel the connection and that you use it to feel better about yourself and through that feeling become a better person. Besides, I don't know if Christians, or Muslims or Jews look forward to prayer time but my particular prayer rug has a handsome face, a beautiful body and a sensational appetite and my meditative practices are fulfilling in ways that you can't possibly imagine. I look forward to praying each and every night. I don't know how many others can claim that same view.

Besides, even if you don't believe in God, you will still feel closer to divinity during sex.

Mutual Friend: Really? How is that?

Wife: If he isn't making you yell out "Oh God!" every night, he is doing it wrong.

Me: *Grinning like a Cheshire cat.*

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posted February 02, 2014 02:20 AM            

I was gobsmacked when I met some goth girls who talked about how they were "saving themselves" for "the one" which didn't surprise me as goths can be very romantic that way, but they got to talking about how they all masturbated and felt guilty for "cheating" on someone they haven't even met yet! :nono: They made a big deal about being Christian so I'm assuming that's why they thought that way. Even so, I doubt it's entirely that, unless the people talked about here are all very religious (though I suppose it's possible given how fundie props pass with majority vote):
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/you-it/201401/womens-masturbation-its-nasty

I remember reading of a popular person...can't recall her title but it was big and she was well known in the country...and she said she thought that in response to things like AIDS that it should be taught in sex ed that masturbation is natural and okay (like why would anyone think otherwise?) and it caused such an uproar that President Clinton fired her! :nono:

Interesting enough the fake sex ed promoted by fundies have their states turn out with the most STDs, teen pregnancy (and thus welfare), and the most divorce, which is the opposite of states with the most liberal sex ed, yet even when they want funding cut to essential services (including for kids) they want funding to programs that don't work to continue or even increase! :nono:

And then there are things like this:
http://www.utne.com/mind-and-body/dirty-girls-ministries-evil-female-masturbation.aspx?PageId=1

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I've also thought the idea that "sex was for procreation, not pleasure" was as absurd as the idea that "noses and mouths are for keeping you alive, not enjoying sweet scents and flavors." But who feels guilty over enjoying the smell of holiday meals, or tasting fudge and eating cheesecake (other than for fear of gaining weight, or perhaps guilt over meat), flowers, perfume and cologne?

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Couldn't agree more with this. Reveling in the pleasures of sex is just human nature! To deny that pleasure to oneself is just idiotic. It will only end up making Sex a chore and suck the life out of such a fun activity!

Mind you, over-indulgence in any form is bad but that can be applied to any given task in life (which includes praying too much as well. Too much time spent in meditation = Not enough time spent doing necessary things to fix the world around you.)