Lindaland
  Sweet Peas In The Rain
  The Hunger Games

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
profile | register | preferences | faq

UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone! next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   The Hunger Games
FireMoon
unregistered
posted March 22, 2014 08:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I probably shouldn't even start this topic lol but just curious to hear opinions on whether you think these movies/books are metaphorical for things actually going on in society...

I'm surprised it even became popular but my impression is most people don't think it's that interesting beyond the actual story

IP: Logged

Sibyl
Knowflake

Posts: 927
From: Uranus
Registered: Dec 2010

posted March 22, 2014 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love the books actually. I absolutely love the character development from the first to the last book. For someone who has experienced tragedy I can really relate. I don't want to spoil the ending for anyone, but... I thought that final tragic loss at the end of the third book and Katniss' reflections over society moving on was beautiful. She was also resourceful and determined to survive. The ending illustrates the meaninglessness of her sacrifices and determination. She lived, but not as the person she set out as.

I do think the books give some very important reflections on society and how we move on from our tragedies. The books show that although our children should be allowed to grow up in innocence of our sordid past and violence, it is important never to forget... In fact, forgetting becomes impossible because tragedy changes who you are. The danger arises when enough time passes and we start falling back into the same patterns.

IP: Logged

PixieJane
Knowflake

Posts: 9709
From: CA
Registered: Oct 2010

posted March 22, 2014 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Generally speaking, my observations is that most adults compare it to somewhat similar movies years ago (as if you can't do that with just about any movie, and it's funny when those who say HG was a ripoff of BR are themselves told BR was a ripoff of yet earlier movies, a few described here) and tend to trash it over nostalgia ("my generation ruled, the whipper snappers need to get off my lawn!") whereas young females consciously like the guys in it (especially Peeta), while young guys are just glad they're not being dragged to Twilight anymore. Again, generally speaking.

However, MY OWN observations (and I know a few others with similar observations) is that it speaks to kids because of the intense competition they're put through today.

First, I need to point out that kids aren't all a bunch of spoiled brats who have their self-esteem coddled. I don't even know how this myth came to be, especially in the view that it's something of a new phenomenon. Maybe narcissistic, but I think kids have always been somewhat prone to that, it was just less obvious before social networking, and is irrelevant to what I'm about to say. On top of that kids tend to be better readers than many adults (perhaps JK Rowling can get the credit for that...), especially if you include e-books.

These days kids can flunk kindergarten! Furthermore, I was considered exceptional for having learned to read (and multiply and divide) before kindergarten let out, which I mostly did on my own (though I do recall the kindergarten teacher reading to us with the book aimed at us with her finger under the word she was reading) but these days kids are expected to be able to read before being promoted to first grade. (Interesting enough, the last report I saw showed that US kids were far more advanced in academics than kids of the same age at about age 5-7, but that changed over the years so that the average US kid was abysmally behind kids the same age in say Europe by high school.) Schools rely on testing as part of getting their funds and so push kids into scoring high, and parents and coaches often add their own pressures which often leads to kids competing against friends even just for their parents approval (and sometimes believe if they fail at anything that they'll be losers for life, a very unhealthy view). More than one kid even committed suicide (or came close to it) because of the intense pressure by disappointing the people they look up to or feeling inadequate next to friends who have learned to get their self-esteem from a test score, points in a game, results of contests and team positions, etc. In addition, one has to be popular (just as they do in the Games if they want sponsors to help them through it), and kids also tend to feel the entire adult world is constantly watching & judging them (right along with their peers).

And parents take sports (and other school activities) a lot more seriously, at least when the kids are particularly young, and it doesn't seem that unusual that the police have to be called over parents throwing a tantrum than the kids, and includes parents vandalizing (such as a car), menacing, or threatening coaches, teachers, or other parents, and even the use of guns by parents (typically brandishing, but one shot into the car of either a coach or another parent) isn't unknown. On top of that kids notice how unfair, arbitrary, and outright corrupt a lot of authority figures are, and many can also relate to having dysfunctional parents like Katniss has, so I (along with others) can see how this appeals to kids, especially as most of the kids who see it the most are of the more competitive crowds. Not that the kids consciously think, "This reminds me of my life in a metaphorical sense," but they can't help but emphasize them at an unconscious level, and the desire for Katniss and Peeta to not only survive but hold on to who they are in the process. Of course making Peeta (and others) hot is a nice bonus to ensure its popularity (though the novels themselves were popular before Josh Hutcherson made them even more popular).

I can relate to the story as well, though for different reasons than I think most kids today do.

IP: Logged

Kerosene
unregistered
posted March 22, 2014 11:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Honestly my mar in aries loves it HA.

I imagine myself being a glamorously dressed district 1 tribute and slaying everyone with my stratagems.

I mean honestly I'm the perfect antagonist for tween series..

IP: Logged

12muddy
Knowflake

Posts: 3075
From:
Registered: Feb 2013

posted March 22, 2014 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I do think that they're based on what's going on in society. I think that's why they became popular, people can relate to them.

What I notice the most is social class separation theme. kinda reminds me a bit of my past observations. I've only read the 1st book though, not really my favourite, probably won't continue.

IP: Logged

Kerosene
unregistered
posted March 22, 2014 11:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah since the in the future generations bigotry will be less based on race, gender and sexuality.
More about class and status.

IP: Logged

FireMoon
unregistered
posted March 23, 2014 07:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you guys for your responses! I'll respond more on depth later today...

quote:
Originally posted by 12muddy:
Yes I do think that they're based on what's going on in society. I think that's why they became popular, people can relate to them.

What I notice the most is social class separation theme. kinda reminds me a bit of my past observations. I've only read the 1st book though, not really my favourite, probably won't continue.


12muddy, this is how I felt about them too. People can relate but don't see a way out, maybe it's to rub it in people's faces? Idk I haven't read the books so can't comment on that but why not continue?

IP: Logged

12muddy
Knowflake

Posts: 3075
From:
Registered: Feb 2013

posted March 23, 2014 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Firemoon, "rubbing it in people's faces" is a good way to put it.

After I read about the setting of the death game, my immediate thought was "Aren't we all competing in a colossal arena?"

I think it also has a political meaning. One wealthy "city" gets rich by exploiting other poor ones - sounds a bit like how countries were made into "colonies", by one method or another. Also sounds like how sweatshops make use of child labour n cheap labour....etc...

I think the book is interesting, the characters are described in details and as it goes on you sorta can see the shifts/changes in their thoughts, views n personalities. The characters are caught in a such a gripping situation. The things they have to do seem so much the "norms", they don't know that it can be challenged (well Katnip n her guy did challenge the rules in the end of the 1st book).

I don't think the writing flows well - as if I know anything about writing lol but yeah, that's one thing I dislike about the book.

IP: Logged

page one
unregistered
posted March 23, 2014 02:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PixieJane:
Generally speaking, my observation is that most adults compare it to somewhat similar movies years ago (as if you can't do that with just about any movie, and it's funny when those who say HG was a ripoff of BR are themselves told BR was a ripoff...

Whatevs. Battle Royale is a BETTER rip-off of Lord of the Flies than Hunger Games. Shorter, too.

IP: Logged

FireMoon
unregistered
posted March 26, 2014 01:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 12muddy:
Firemoon, "rubbing it in people's faces" is a good way to put it.

After I read about the setting of the death game, my immediate thought was "Aren't we all competing in a colossal arena?"

I think it also has a political meaning. One wealthy "city" gets rich by exploiting other poor ones - sounds a bit like how countries were made into "colonies", by one method or another. Also sounds like how sweatshops make use of child labour n cheap labour....etc...

I think the book is interesting, the characters are described in details and as it goes on you sorta can see the shifts/changes in their thoughts, views n personalities. The characters are caught in a such a gripping situation. The things they have to do seem so much the "norms", they don't know that it can be challenged (well Katnip n her guy did challenge the rules in the end of the 1st book).

I don't think the writing flows well - as if I know anything about writing lol but yeah, that's one thing I dislike about the book.


Yes exactly! I also think it's very political. Colonialism set a framework of wealth/political power that still very much exists today internationally.

The "games" are broadcasted to the wealthy for entertainment and everyone is thrown into the arena as if it's an equal playing field, although the reality of the situation should be obvious. Yet the whole premise is that fear doesn't work as a tactic of manipulation unless there's also hope. Everyone loves an underdog comeback story (Katniss and Peeta from district 12) which is why it's played up in the coverage/media... But if ppl start thinking the rules can be broken and there can be more than one winner the Capitol won't tolerate it.

Anyway I think maybe it was marketed as a kid/teenage story about "growing up" to send the message that that kind of thinking/resistance is just a "youthful illusion"... But there are so many metaphors I don't even know where to start lol. Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to this, just wanted to say I agree!

IP: Logged

teasel
Knowflake

Posts: 18806
From:
Registered: Apr 2009

posted March 11, 2021 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did you read the fourth book?

I was hooked on the books, when I finally started to read them, December 2010-early 2011.

IP: Logged

Chanterelle
Knowflake

Posts: 727
From: USA
Registered: Sep 2020

posted March 12, 2021 06:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chanterelle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I donít think I even knew there was a fourth book! I guess at this point I would have to go back and re-read all the others first. Thereís another similar series, minus the reality-TV-show angle, that my daughter was reading about a year ago that was pretty good, but I canít remember the name of it right now. Itís sort of like Hunger Games crossed with that M. Night Shyamalan movie, The Village.

IP: Logged

teasel
Knowflake

Posts: 18806
From:
Registered: Apr 2009

posted June 27, 2021 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Chanterelle:
I donít think I even knew there was a fourth book! I guess at this point I would have to go back and re-read all the others first. Thereís another similar series, minus the reality-TV-show angle, that my daughter was reading about a year ago that was pretty good, but I canít remember the name of it right now. Itís sort of like Hunger Games crossed with that M. Night Shyamalan movie, The Village.

I found out about the fourth, not long before it was released, so I pre-ordered it. I rarely do that, but it's nice to have a book just arrive, on the day it's released. Like a treat.

IP: Logged

All times are Eastern Standard Time

next newest topic | next oldest topic

Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:

Contact Us | Linda-Goodman.com

Copyright 2000-2021

Powered by Infopop www.infopop.com © 2000
Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.46a