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Sibyl
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posted April 26, 2014 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sometimes I feel like people take offense too easily. I think it's cool to argue and get angry, it's very normal. But it's what comes after that really bothers me. Why do people have to hold grudges?

I feel like threads on this forum constantly refer back to age-old dramas that I know nothing about and I find myself thinking that people should just get over it. Either get it out (the real issue) or leave dead dogs lie or whatever that saying is.

Of course I understand that some conversations travel over different threads, but when this translates to digs over things that were discussed weeks or months ago I just really don't see the point. I mean either you say straight out what the issue is or you don't say anything at all. What is this constantly digging at the surface instead of addressing the hard issues? And why is everyone so sensitive? I can't even keep track of who supposedly has the bully stick next. I'm sure we all say some things we don't really mean sometimes. I know I do. But then I also think that's just the way it is and you have to cut people some slack sometimes.

I think we would all be better off if we learned (and this includes myself, everything is a work in progress) to have a little thicker skin and to forget some more.

I'm not sure all of you would have guessed it, but I certainly don't hold any ill will towards anyone. In fact I have terrific selective memory. I like argumentative debates as well as the next person, but I'm kind of sick of all the sarcasm being tossed around here.

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Padre35
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posted April 27, 2014 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I think the difference is making things personally insulting, and seeing flaws (which we all have) and offering correction.

Let me be honest here, i think the beef b/t Deep Freeze and Kero went beyond the pale of acceptable conversation.

there were really nasty things said, irl, if those things were said, someone would have had the hammer fall on them.

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Kerosene
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posted April 27, 2014 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why are you pretending that you don't have obvious catty arguments with YTA?

Some people just don't get along.

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Padre35
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posted April 27, 2014 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
B/c YTA can take it, he lives in that world

It is not a kind place,there is large amount of $$ involved and one excels or one is roadkill, that is how it is.


Slow your roll Brother Kero

Edited for tone

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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2014 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kero is the great instigator

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Sibyl
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posted April 27, 2014 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:
Why are you pretending that you don't have obvious catty arguments with YTA?

Some people just don't get along.


I disagree with YTA too Sometimes quite vehemently, though I try to keep it civil. Some people may take this the wrong way (not sure whether he does or not), but I really don't want anyone to take it personally because I really don't mean it that way. I actually appreciate YTA allot, I think he's great. So is Ami, who I also diagree with allot. I think DeepFreeze is funny, and I find you very interesting, Kero. Though I must say I cannot ever guess what you will do next. To mention some. So yeah. I really don't see the point of bringing one argument over to the other though I think Padre has a point when he says it is important to point out flaws. It's good for our own development. I think the key issue is to be able to balance between constructive criticism and hurtful remarks though.

I just think if we all limited the sarcasm AND our sensitivity to it we would all be better off

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7thGuardian
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posted April 27, 2014 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aah, you're a stranger to the darkness - or at least to a certain kind of darkness. Well now, don't be hasty - stick around and you shall see that - all will work out - all will be fine (said the spider to the little fly - "for one of us at least... for one of us... at least" - the spider mumbled in his mind).

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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2014 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To me, I came on LL six years ago when I was in a terrible hole. I really was hurting. I interacted on here in many different ways. I made wonderful friends. I had fights. I acted poorly. People acted poorly to me.

In time, I learned very valuable lessons from the people whom we all love: Randall, IQ and Lalalinda.

I learned to get along. I learned to ignore. I learned to walk away. Maybe, more importantly,I learned that there is a time to stand up and fight. One cannot be a wimp when strength is needed but knowing which is which is the hard part.

I believe one needs to learn these lessons to have any kind of quality of life. I had not learned them before or I forgot them in all the pain I had gone through.

At any rate, I don't believe in sanatizing interactions. If someone is a total bully and jerk, the thread has to be closed but short of that people need to learn their lessons, in my opinion.

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Violets
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posted April 27, 2014 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My two cents...

I get offended pretty easily, but I don't often show it unless it *really* offends me (which usually requires deliberately tweaking some sort of personal raw nerve that I've openly talked about in a thread).

I disagree with a lot of people here for various reasons, but agree with them about other things. As long as no one is rude or insulting towards me, I can let water flow under the bridge just fine.

But if I just straight up dislike someone, I will generally avoid interacting with them. Especially if I find that they demonstrate exaggerated/verbally aggressive reactions more often than not.

We all react sometimes, but when someone does it on a fairly regular basis, I tend to avoid them. Not all of us hit below the belt (although some of us are quite skilled at it), but if someone tends to do it on a regular basis...again, I will avoid them. Very much the way that I am in real life. I don't like seriously mean-spirited drama or pointless gossip. We can all get sucked in a little bit, but I try not to.

Otherwise, I don't really care about who gets along and who doesn't. I get along with most people, and some people I really like a lot.

Some of those people don't get along. It's none of my business, and I simply don't concern myself with it.

Meh.
*shrug*

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Padre35
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posted April 28, 2014 02:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
Aah, you're a stranger to the darkness - or at least to a certain kind of darkness. Well now, don't be hasty - stick around and you shall see that - all will work out - all we'll fine (said the spider to the little fly - "for one us at least... for one us... at least" - the spider mumbled in his mind).

oh, i know the darkness quite well, this is why i will not tolerate it

If it offends Jesus, there is no reason to tolerate it, in fact i will not allow it to happen, i will speak out

Looking at u Kero

If i'm ****** at you, there is more than just me angry at you

i'll leave it at that

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Sibyl
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posted April 28, 2014 05:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Padre35:
If it offends Jesus, there is no reason to tolerate it, in fact i will not allow it to happen, i will speak out

Whaat? But Jesus is supposed to love everyone! I mean he forgave those murderers he was crucified with. He also said it is not up to us to judge other people, right? A poem by Mother Theresa comes to mind
http://www.dbooth.org/guat2000/small/teresa.htm

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Sibyl
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posted April 28, 2014 05:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
Aah, you're a stranger to the darkness - or at least to a certain kind of darkness. Well now, don't be hasty - stick around and you shall see that - all will work out - all will be fine (said the spider to the little fly - "for one us at least... for one us... at least" - the spider mumbled in his mind).

This is hilarious! I love it.

What is your sun sign 7thGuardian? This sounds positively scorpio.

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Sibyl
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posted April 28, 2014 05:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami and Violets,

I do so always appreciate your thoughts on these things. You always seem so incredibly collected and balanced. I'm still learning I guess. I brought up this subject because I do think it is hard to balance (in the moment) when to respond and when to walk away. I don't really hold grudges and I have quite thick skin (except what concerns my aquarian ideals) so that's not really an issue I think, but I do find it difficult to know how to ignore and walk away.

Anyway, one of my best friends with allot of siblings taught me that when you criticize someone, never to criticize their person. You never say "you are inconsiderate", you say "these actions are inconsiderate". It's better because it allows the person to understand that although our actions define us, we are at liberty to change our actions. We all make mistakes and sometimes they need to be pointed out, but it is important not to let that one action define the other person (ie not to hold grudges), but rather look at our own personas as changeable, fluid. I think it makes people less defensive and more willing to listen.

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Ami Anne
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posted April 28, 2014 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whaat? But Jesus is supposed to love everyone!

People misunderstand the kind of "love" Jesus had. People want to make him into a kind of Cheech and Chong dope smoking "Whaateeever" hippie/wimp

Jesus was the strongest man who ever lived. Jesus told his disciples to walk away from haughty people with no humility, who wanted to make their own rules and not humble themselves to his Father, the God of Israel and then the world.

Jesus got angry and turned over the tables when the Temple was used for cheap purposes. This shows us that we are to have righteous anger.

Jesus loves everyone. That is true, but the form of love is very, very, very misunderstood.

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Ami Anne
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posted April 28, 2014 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He also said it is not up to us to judge other people, right?


Jesus never said not to "judge" in the form you use it.

There is good and there is evil. Many New Age people want to say there is not. Jesus has clear demarcations of good and evil--very, very clear. Jesus had very clear demarcations of right and wrong.

Killing people is evil. Loving people is good. That is a modern day example.

So, if you want to say Jesus told us not to judge, you have to use the word right and it is clearly put forth in the Bible,

We are to love all people, we are to love all sinners, of which we all are one.

However, there is a right and wrong and a good and evil. So, don't put that there is NOT on Jesus.

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Ami Anne
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posted April 28, 2014 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sibyl

I need to make an asteroid pick on you. Where is your Eris? I bet it is conj one of the angles, NN , SN or a planet.
See if I bat 1000
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7thGuardian
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posted April 28, 2014 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Padre35:
oh, i know the darkness quite well, this is why i will not tolerate it

If it offends Jesus, there is no reason to tolerate it, in fact i will not allow it to happen, i will speak out

Looking at u Kero

If i'm ****** at you, there is more than just me angry at you

i'll leave it at that


Your quarrels with YTA make so much sense right now:

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Ami Anne
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posted April 28, 2014 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't let them bait you, Padre.

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posted April 28, 2014 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sibyl:
This is hilarious! I love it.

What is your sun sign 7thGuardian? This sounds positively scorpio.


One of my names can be translated as Scorpio in Sanskrit, so let's say it's that - cause there's not much Scorpio in my chart (other than a House).

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Padre35
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posted April 28, 2014 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think perhaps Sibyl makes a good point, taking up another's offense is not wise

However, the Bible also tells me a good word, in season, liftith up hearts

It is not so much i'm against Kero, more that i'm for DF and truly hope such harshness ends, that is unkind and hateful

It costs nothing to leave them be and i shall always take the "side" of love, and creativity, not politik, ipsa res loqutur


As for being katty w/YTA, keep in mind every polyglot knows there are dialects, a way of speaking that is common to a culture.

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Sibyl
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posted April 28, 2014 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Sibyl

I need to make an asteroid pick on you. Where is your Eris? I bet it is conj one of the angles, NN , SN or a planet.
See if I bat 1000


This is way above my head, I have no idea Though I was able to find out Eris is in Aries. No conjunctions as far as I can see (I could be very wrong), but a couple of squares I think. And some other signs I don't know how to read My NN only aspects my ASC as far as I can see.


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Sibyl
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posted April 28, 2014 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyway,

About judging I agree that there is a time and place for it. I mean, I believe in the justice system as much as the next person and I certainly need to judge people in the sense that I know who I want in my life and who I don't. Etc. But I also think it is important to recognize that it is difficult to gauge other people's state of mind, motivations, experiences and similar so I like the idea that when we die it will be between us and our God (whether as a personification or in terms of karma or reincarnation). I just don't think there is anyone (including my parents) who would be qualified to judge me. So although we can respond to other people's actions (and should do so), I don't like making judgments about their person too much.

Because "it's not what you've been given, it's what you do with what you've got", we cannot know where someone started or what has halted them on their way. So I think we should be careful to make judgements about where we think they should be now.

That is not to say we cannot point out error as long as we recognize our own liberty to judge has obvious limitations.

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Violets
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posted April 28, 2014 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Well said!

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MoonWitch
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posted April 28, 2014 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonWitch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My memory is rarely good enough to even remember grudges

Maybe it's a good thing that I hardly even remember screen names unless I've talked with you for a long long time. Sometimes, I remember something stupid / rude / horrible someone said but I don't remember who exactly said it.

I guess that makes my life easier.


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posted April 28, 2014 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sibyl:
This is way above my head, I have no idea Though I was able to find out Eris is in Aries. No conjunctions as far as I can see (I could be very wrong), but a couple of squares I think. And some other signs I don't know how to read My NN only aspects my ASC as far as I can see.


Tell me the degrees of everything, if you want S.

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