posted May 24, 2014 02:06 PM            

Troubled Souls: Spirituality as a Mental Health Hazard
Spiritual but not religious people have poorer mental health.

Published on January 10, 2013 by Scott A. McGreal, MSc. in Unique—Like Everybody Else

The relationship between spirituality and/or religion and mental and physical health has increasingly come under study in recent years. It almost seems to have become conventional wisdom that spirituality is associated with better health, mental and physical. However, a recently published British study found that people who consider themselves spiritual but not religious are more likely to have a mental disorder compared to conventionally religious people and to those who are neither religious nor spiritual. Conventionally religious people and those who were neither religious nor spiritual did not differ in their mental health status, suggesting that being religious offers few advantages in terms of mental health. The reasons for this are still unclear. Studies on the psychology of spirituality offer some clues as to why spiritual but not religious people might be prone to poorer mental health although more research is needed to fully explain the relationship.

Claims that “spirituality” is beneficial for mental health (see this article for example) have been criticised on the grounds that definitions of spirituality have been broadened so much that they imply mental health by definition (Koenig, 2008). Spirituality traditionally had a narrow definition centred on belief in supernatural spirits such as God. However, mental health services have become increasingly interested in addressing the “spiritual” needs of consumers in recent times, and as a result attempts have been made to redefine the term in a way that would be maximally inclusive, so as to apply to people from diverse religious backgrounds and to those with no religion (Koenig, 2008). Many studies have broadened the term to incorporate a wide range of positive psychological concepts, such as purpose in life, hopefulness, social connectedness, peacefulness and well-being in general. This becomes problematic for research attempting to assess the relationship between “spirituality” and mental health because by most definitions good mental health implies that a person has some purpose in life, is hopeful, socially connected and has peace and well-being. Thus it becomes a meaningless tautology to say that spirituality is associated with better mental health when the term is defined this way (Lindeman & Aarnio, 2007).

A recent British study looked at the relationship between spirituality and mental health using a more traditional understanding of the term to avoid this problem of tautology (King et al., 2013). The study involved in-depth interviews with over 7000 people in England. Participants were sorted into those whose understanding of life was predominantly religious, spiritual, or neither. These terms were explained in the following way:

posted May 24, 2014 02:11 PM            

In the last post I touched on a few specific examples of what it could look like when someone who has a clear as day mental illness or other serious issue becomes enmeshed in the New Age community. Often times the behaviors, signs, and/or red flags are accepted and unquestioned. There’s quite a lot in New Age Land that facilitates this camouflage. Not only are people’s critical thinking skills weakened, not only are most the people too spineless to say anything, not only are all of them too weird to notice anyway, but there’s even things post-diagnosis that keep the people who need help from getting it.

The first and most obvious factor to the mental health camouflage is the surface eccentricity that often comes with these communities. People wear unusual things, say unusual things, and have many unusual interests. While these things are not indicative of a mental illness in and of themselves, they help people who actually do have some issues blend right in. Here’s a few examples -

1. Fashion: It’s one thing to dress in mismatched, baggy, or gaudy clothes because it’s your personal style that you’ve come to love. It’s quite another to dress in strange fashion because you can’t connect with to reality or social expectations long enough to realize how bad your outfit looks. This can be especially bad if Asperger’s, schizophrenia, or some other issue is at play here.

2. Hygeine; in New Age Land “au naturel” extends to personal hygeine – it’s almost preferred that people smell a little oily and sweaty in New Age Land. This can easily cover for people who don’t follow hygeine rules due to mental illness, general slovenlyness or other things going on. Lack of hygeine is common to many mental illnesses and other issues.

3. Odd movements/gestures; In New Age Land, it’s very common to see things like body rocking, empty stares into space, way-too-intense eye gazing, spontaneous dance, and other strange things. While most of these people are doing it because they feel whimsical, it mimics some of the telltale signs of other issues and could make them hard to spot.

4. Abstract language; People in New Age Land have very odd word choice. This is usually harmless in residents of New Age Land, and is just used to fit in. Other people, however, might be doing it for reasons that require attention/help.

A. It could be because they can’t or won’t express themselves in anything but abstracts. This could be a sign that having/showing feelings is scary for them. It could be temporary fear due to the people they’re speaking with which is normal, but if it seems to be a consistent pattern that they are scared to feel anything, that’s a little different.
B. Sometimes people talk abstractly because they don’t want to admit to things that don’t sound good when spoken in plain English. “Tapping into Scorpio energy” sounds better than “Lashing out at people over tiny offenses that don’t match my cataclysmic reaction.” In New Age Land these could mean the same thing, but tell two very different stories.
C. Then of course there’s the scary possibility that their abstract language is meant as literal. Maybe you think they’re just equating aliens with wisdom in their head when they actually think they were speaking to extraterrestrial beings. Again, two different stories.

You have to watch carefully, and ask questions if you want to find the truth behind what people say when they’re abstracting it.

With general good-intentioned weirdness out of the way, let’s move on to some of the more substantial ways that New Age enables and camouflages mental illness and other issues.

5. Superstitious thinking; New Age encourages a few different types of superstitious thinking. When I refer to superstition, I mean the thinking patterns that erroneously link two things. New Age is full of stuff like “Wear carnelian for a healthy heart” or “Control your thoughts for a better future.” Certain mental illnesses take to this like white on rice. Sufferers of OCD in particular latch onto little rituals and compulsive actions to ward away something they fear. Law of Attraction is a goldmine of things for people with OCD to latch onto as a way to feel in control of things that either aren’t in their control, or are but require enitely different actions to achieve.

6. Everything is a sign; New Age in general encourages one to look for “signs” or things in the physical world that affirm that they are “on the right path.” Usually it’s looking for petty cooincidences, but it could also be a lucky number, a particular animal, anything. Again, while this practice is usually harmless it provides cover for people who have an unhealthy understanding of reality.

7. “FREEEEEDOM” (not to be confused with freedom); New Age Land is extremely lax due to a severe aversion to rules, regulations, and boundaries. You’re not supposed to express comments or concerns because that would be stifling their FREEEEEEDOM. I think the purpose of this is to make people feel accepted, but it just goes too far. It goes beyond benefit of the doubt and just straight up ignores things that need to be addressed. It lets things slide that ought not to slide. It’s a close cousin to this next one –

8. Unconditional Love; In general, New Age Land condemns judgement and hurting people’s feelings for any reason. Breeching the topic of a possible severe maladjustment or mental illness does tend to hurt people’s feelings. So you’re not supposed to question anything anyone does. You’re supposed to just love and accept them unconditionally the way they are; even if it looks like they’re flushing their life down the toilet and your love ain’t doing a damn thing to help. This is a horrible combination with drug addiction and many personality disorders. BPD, NPD, sociopathy, and a whole slieu of other disorders NEED firm boundaries if they have any hope of improvement or recovery. Unconditional love and FREEEEEDOM provide none.

9. Visions and “abilities”; You’re no one in New Age Land if you don’t have some sort of supernatural title or ability. You must be able to heal people with energy, talk to ghosts, sense spirits, direct you chi, or something of the like. This is a good hiding spot for delusional people. When they start telling people about their halluicinations, it seems like they’re just having encounters with the spirit world or something, when really they are in bad need of some assistance.

10. Delusional horsecrap in general; even mental illnesses and such aside, New Age Land is chock-a-block full of liars, exaggerators, and people who need to have tea with reality more often. There is virtually nothing that you can’t get away with saying. In general, if you offer to believe other people’s bullcrap, they’ll gladly believe your bullcrap. No one will ever call you crazy if you call no one else crazy. It’s sanctuary for anyone who doesn’t want to manage serious mental health issues.

11. Drugs; While alcohol is largely spat upon unless you’re a shaman, and cigarettes are nothing short of Satanic, there’s a huge tolerance for psychedelic drugs in New Age culture. Drugs are often thought to “open your mind” or facilitate spiritual truths. When it’s seen as something so positive, who’s to stop you when you’re sitting around all freaking day “facilitating spiritual truths” or “opening your mind” right before going into work. There’s virtually no bar for addiction in this community. Everyone can point to someone who does more [pot, LSD, mushrooms, salvia] than they do. This is bad in itself for getting addicted people to get help, and complicates other mental health issues they may have.

11. Conspiracy; Another HUGE HUGE factor I can’t stress enough in sheltering people with mental illness, personality disorders, and addiction is the conspiracy mindset of the New Age community. They are extremely skeptical of doctors and other professionals, and have very little faith in the benevolence and/or effectiveness of science-based medicine. They think that the pharmaceutical industry is unamimously out to make and keep people sick to make money off of them. They think every single doctor and health professional is in on this scam. So they will actively try to steer anyone with a diagnosis away from services that actually work. Which leads us to our last contributing factor

12. Alternative medicine; In New Age Land, the medicines your doctor gave you supposedly just make you sick and psychically suppressed. You need to take herbs instead, or go see someone to hit your pressure points or fix your aura or something. This accomplishes diddly squat beyond the placebo effect. Not to mention insurance will laugh if you expect them to cover a dime of these expensive services. New Agers of course would say that that’s a part of the conspiracy – they don’t want you to get better so they don’t cover it! That logic doesn’t even make sense – ideally, insurance companies want you to stay healthy while paying in so that they don’t have to pay back out when you get sick. As such, they only cover things that are proven to work.

It really is ridiculous just how perfectly New Age covers for people with some really severe issues. I’ve touched on how it covers up abuse before, but really when I think of it, it pretty much covers for, enables, and even feeds into every ****** behavior you can imagine. Every vice, character flaw, pitfall, illness, and anything else you want to hide from and never work on, ever. If you ever do realize you need help, it will be by your own insight. No one in the New Age community will ever call you on anything you do unless it’s in the most off-kilter stupid way ever. Even if they do call you on it you will never get the treatments you need unless you seek them out yourself. No one will ever make you get help, and may even discourage you from getting the kind of help you need.

It’s really no wonder that for every person who came to New Age to improve themselves, there’s two more who are just stuck in the same old crap they’ve been in since they’ve arrived on the scene. It’s one thing when you’re just one of those people who are voluntarily helpless and wasting their time on this Earth. It’s quite another when there’s a person with an illness, disorder, or addiction who’s life is being destroyed.

THIS right here was seriously one of the most heartbreaking things I ever saw in New Age Land. People who used to be sane slowly siphoned into a world of paranoia and conspiracy, with people encouraging their transformation every step of the way. People I used to go to for rational advice succumbing to delusions and hallucinations with others applauding them on their “spiritual development.” People treating other people like complete **** repeatedly, and receiving no consequences whatsoever.

But more than heartbreaking, you know what was the most frustrating of all? The silence. When people clearly know something is going on, but they don’t say anything. When someone is always under the influence, and no one says anything. When someone shows up at a gathering looking/smelling like they havent showered in a month, looking frightened, acting paranoid, and mumbling under their breath like a madman, and no one says anything. When someone claims to have a shamanic vision while driving a car, which is a two ton piece of machinery down the highway, and no one says anything. I think that is the most frustrating part of this community.

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I feel that I can’t stress this enough: as a former bodywork and ethereal healer as well as counseling astrologer, I found that I had to learn not to be attached to when someone might gain insight or feel complete healing — or even any relief at all. We’re there to facilitate progress and healing — not impose or force — a positive outcome. Sometimes it just doesn’t happen, especially in the case of congenital birth defects or severe trauma.

I don’t foist my untrained non-medical opinion upon people who are already suffering — thereby increasing their suffering. That is unprofessional, and it serves no positive or useful purpose whatsoever.

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People, do.your.empirical.research. Don’t blindly accept something on some list that is unproven.

Just what the hell was Louise Hay actually thinking when she wrote that stuff?! I think she needs to take responsibility for misleading thousands of people with that list. Yes, that list has contributed to some healing, but also misconceptions and discord. Sometimes some of the things on that list might be true, but they are not generally true. And there is no empirical way to measure them.

We need to listen to our own guidance. If we can’t do that, we learn to do that first. Then we go within and ask for guidance about our problem. We shouldn’t accept as fact something written by someone who’s never met us, who’s not a trained physician or scientist, who makes absolute statements in a generalized list.

Most “New Age” people mean well, but they can be just as dangerous as any fanatical Christian or any other adherent to any other religion. Some of them are very wounded and seriously delusional, just as in the general population.

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posted May 24, 2014 03:43 PM            

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An earlier British study had similar findings and the authors noted that it is possible that not having a religious framework for one’s beliefs could lead to mental disorder in people who have a need for a spiritual understanding of life (King, Weich, Nazroo, & Blizard, 2006). Alternatively, having a mental disorder might prompt a person to engage in a spiritual quest in the hope of mental healing or deeper understanding of one’s problems.

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Those make the most sense, to me.

The second article made me laugh several times.

A bit too off the mark. There are some things to think about (like the unconditional love or acceptance part, which can lead to an overly lax attitude). But overall I think it focuses too much on extremes and the negative manifestation of something that doesn't have to be negative.

And so much stereotyping, it's hilarious (was it meant to be sarcastic, perhaps?)

The actual expression "New Age" is quite misleading. I wouldn't identify myself as having "New Age" beliefs, maybe because I don't (do all the things mentioned in that article). /shrug

posted May 24, 2014 03:46 PM            

NEW AGE ANONYMOUS

12 Steps For The Recovering New Ager

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Step One

"We admitted we were powerless over the New Age—that

our Higher Selves had turned us into flakes."

Although nobody wants to admit defeat, it is especially difficult for bliss ninnies. Pain, despair, confusion aren’t allowed unless we pay a month’s salary to humiliate ourselves in front of others at inner child retreats. On lean months, we try every trick imaginable to deny the human instinct and pretend that our geometry is sacred, our chakras spinning clockwise.

When reality gets the upper hand, we pretend it sounds like one hand clapping as we binge on hemi-sync tapes, ozone machines and dream activators, convinced that if we just find the right tool, nirvana——i.e., the adulation of devotees and a Swiss bank account——will be ours forever. In the meantime, we glaze our eyes, paste on a smile and flee toward the light. One month we may sit beneath the Levtz throne of the Dallas Cowboy cheerleader who took a football in the third eye and became enlightened; the next, it’s Ideatdat, the gringo guru who heads an MLM downline which sells alter pictures of the fleshy one subliminally enhanced with chocolate smeared breasts.

We beam with other disciples, projecting world peas and carrots through the sacred hoop of mandatory eye contact. We offer unsolicited advice and power trip with vows of silence, using our spiritual superiority to mask how stupid we really are. We stand on our heads so long that our brains smash up against our skull and tell us it’s possible to fight the IRS and win. And all the while, we dose ourselves with superfoods until our veins accumulate so much spirulina and ginkgo bilboa that we actually believe we’re better than the rest of the human race.

No other form of delusion is more destructive than such base Shirley MacLainism. Let’s Face it, newageoholics, we are flakes, fakes and far from awake. Our paradigm hasn’t shifted in years, and our lives have become so heavy with enlightenment that we don’t even notice synchronistic coincidences anymore. We’ve gone woo woo and sold our futures to the aliens. We have hit rock bottom.

Yet those of us who read these pages are the lucky ones, for to do so means we are on the road to accepting responsibility for our addiction. In this step, we must bare witness our past humiliations, somehow free ourselves from memories of laying naked on a massage table as some guy with a hairy back told us to breath out our problems and make more room for him. It is only when we again find the courage to truly look at ourselves are we ready for the fellowship of NAA.

Upon entering NAA, we begin to look at ourselves from another perspective, actually welcoming our fall into Babylon. We recognize that without such a descent, this very important first step would have eluded us and we would still be sitting at the birkenstocks of a retail swami. It is our confession of powerlessness over the New Age that makes it possible to leave the house without first consulting the I Ching.

However, we must be especially careful during this first step, for it is easy to hide behind our initial admission and, denying our real culpability and addiction, continue to succumb to the temptations of Christ Consciousness. Soul retrieval potlucks and Kyron conventions won’t lose their allure because we want them to; nor will tofu hotdogs and dolphin coloring books; no, the only way to work the NAA program is to admit that we have no where else to go but back to Earth.

Each of the eleven steps that follow require us to trust a way of thinking that is the antithesis of our brainwashing—which we all know, is not an easy task. Why think about social change when we can download crop circles off the Internet? How can we possibly admit that wheat grass tastes disgusting after paying so much for that grass extraction machine? What do we gain by sacrificing our popularity and telling others the truth about our unpsychic ability? No, the Newageoholic, self-centered to the extreme, won’t have anything to do with such honesty——unless of course, his sanity and freedom depend on it.

Thus, under the deafening monotone of New Age synthesizers, we are driven to NAA, where we finally "tune into" the fatal nature of our situation. Then, and only then, do we stop talking about the Dead Sea Scrolls long enough to figure out what year it is. Finally, we are ready for authentic connection with the days of the week.

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http://www.snakelyone.com/12step.htm

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Robin’s Story

"At the urging of Whozdime, a high octave, 12th dementia dull, hypo-planetary being with a wide photon belt, I gave up my job, moved into a teepee and began building the ark that would save me when California dropped into the ocean."

Chuck’s Story

"One day, while I was feeling up a woman's aura for possible energy leaks, her husband, possessed by a group of demonic entities leftover from a previous lifetime, burst into my office, smashed my copper pyramid and thrust an ozone tube down my pants."

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Prologue

New Agers Anonymous is a fellowship of reformed lightworkers who have come down from the mothership to reclaim the task of living as normal people on Planet Earth. We are a diverse membership, made up of hippies, yuppies, yippies, ex-airy fairies, closet GenXers, housewives, VW owners, Scientology school drop outs, eco-terrorists, Democrats, and a few Republicans; our common ground is that our lives were once controlled by psychic hotlines, channeler of the month clubs, astral arch-angelists, astrology retrogrades, slipping paradigms, and the other faux cosmic crap currently being marketed in this very old New Age.

We are humans who found the strength to admit we only pretended to see auras and didn’t really know the difference between a diva and a deva. Finding support in this rare honesty, we realized that we could make decisions without consulting our pendulums, that it was possible to have vision without paying some slick white guy with a turquoise bolero to take us on a quest for it.

Originally it was our intention to create a sanctuary where people like us could wear colors other than purple and meet for coffee without talking about the Fourteenth Insight. We wanted people to remember that judgments had once been a vehicle for truth, that "can’t" and "should" are still listed in Webster’s, that "I" statements are pointless if no one knows who "I" is. In essence, we hoped to make room for all the thoughts and attitudes that keep life interesting.

NAA’s inaugural meeting was organized by Paul McDouglas (then known as Sun Daddy) and Andrea Patterson (a.k.a. Empressia). It was held exactly seven years after the Harmonic Convergence, on August 16, 1994, at the Fairfax, California home of Rebecca Knox (Moonmother). For the ten of us who came carrying our raw foods casseroles and enzyme supplements, that first night became a wake-up call that rang louder than any Tibetan cymbal.

Mandatory for attendance was the commitment to refrain from talking about merkabas, the Great White Brotherhood, the Mayan calendar, whales, 11:11, stargates, the enneagram, tarot, Nostradamus, totems, and so on. Yet without our vocabulary, we had nothing to say to each other, leaving us with little choice but to resort back to our common linguistic butchery (vegetarian style of course).

For instance, if someone had the courage to show anger or express dissatisfaction of any kind, someone else would inevitably try to soften the blow by making dolphin noises or striking a gong. If an insecurity surfaced, it was quickly masked by flowery, dramatic passages about co-creating reality and the conflicts of the Higher Self. And whenever we were at a complete loss, somebody would comment on how the crystalline nature of dimensional hierarchy as seen through the holographic undertones of planetary grids is obscured by the density of three dimensions.

Up to our third eyes in New Age quicksand, we wanted out. The solutions we came up with swung wildly between truly alien concepts, such as moving to Oklahoma or switching from hypnotherapy to psychotherapy, to more palatable ideas, like getting Tara to channel Gwezok so the rest of us could ask him what to do. With each passing hour our white light shields grew dimmer and our collective vision grew more terrifying. We ran out of carrot sticks, and many of us resorted to chewing fingertips or yanking at the hypo-allergenic carpet beneath our meditation cushions. In silence some of us prayed that the Big One would kill us so we wouldn’t have to suffer the karma of suicide. Others spoke soundlessly to the Pleiadians, begging them to send a sign or a ship. Only a few truly searched for the courage to override our sacred visions and do something real, like drink a beer with a neighbor.

Finally, Moonmother intervened. "Brothers and sisters, since we don’t know what else to do, let’s take medicine and ask our animal guides for direction."

"That’s a great idea. I’ll get the peyote," said Sun Daddy.

"Yeah," added Songbird. "We can have the ceremony in my teepee."

We all thought this was the sign we’d been waiting for——that is until we got into telling "medicine" stories.

"Remember the time at Limantar Beach when Shanasana took off all her clothes and ran up to the drum circle shouting ‘I am the sand goddess, walk on me’," said Horus.

"Yeah, and you were the only one who did," said Shanasana. "What about when Horus passed out near the Zen center and we gathered **** from the monks’ horses and piled it all around him, making it look like he got all ****** up on turds."

In no time the room was overflowing with possibility. We swapped tales, boasting and ragging on each other, caught by fits of laughter until Empressia stopped us.

"Come on, you gods and goddesses, look at yourselves. How much have we really learned from our so-called medicine? Your stories are glorified bar tales——some big spiritual journey. We were all hopeless. Come on, admit it. We are all newageoholics and we need help."

Once again, the room was silent. She was right. We were powerless over the New Age, and without a firm grip on reality, Y2K wouldn’t be ours to enjoy. We had to find a way to bring the dawn back down the crystal staircase, even if it was just one baby step at a time.

"Twelve Steps!" shouted Empressia. The intervention we’d waited for had finally arrived.

For the first time in years, our sweet, lispy angel voices dropped away and our vocal cords boomed with confidence and direction. With everybody, even the dorks, vying for air time, we discussed the philosophy of the program that had already freed millions of addicts, and by the end of the night, we unanimously agreed that it was time to start the first chapter of New Age Anonymous and walk the 12 Step path.

Empressia had been through OA and Sun Daddy AA, so giving the steps a New Age spin was relatively easy, even if working them wasn’t. But that was why we had each other, and with support, each of us learned to cope with our desire for first wave ascension. We got stronger and more determined, and, in time, we fired our psychics, burned our self-help books and sold back our crystals. We learned to stop worrying whether Mercury was in retrograde or if the Photon Belt was a good thing or not. Every day we got better in every way, particularly since our butt aches disappeared once we quit meditating.

It took two years of trial and error, but eventually seven out of the ten people in our original NAA group made it back to the ground. Once word of our recovery got out, NAA membership grew to 17, then 32 and so on, until today, just five years later, NAA has over 5,000 found humans, many of whom still live in California. Chapters are springing up in all the New Age meccas, including Sandpoint, Sedona, Shasta, Asheville, Maui, Harbin and Ashland, and our rapid expansion is a testimony to the determination of free will. To be sure, many people weren’t able to withstand the rigors of self-inquiry, but for those who were able to handle the dark and sultry pressures of regular life, the rewards of the journey have far surpassed its obstacles.

The New Age is dead, and this book is our attempt to spread the NAA message to a wider audience, maybe even spare a few souls from enlightenment along the way. If you really want to save the world, overthrow the facism of positive thinking, ignore mail order angel catalogs and stop gilding the New Age cage.

As you venture back into these pages again and again, keep in mind that we outlined each step with as much detail as we could stomach. We hope the first-person accounts of the pitfalls and joys of the pre-NAA existence have given you the courage to enter NAA recovery—if Chuck and Robin could do it, so can you. By now, you should be the end of the drainbow and are ready do something real with your life. Good luck and good night.

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posted May 24, 2014 03:48 PM            

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Anyway, I'm happy to announce I'm not completely crazy Thanks for sharing.

posted May 25, 2014 03:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:

The second article made me laugh several times.

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"B. Sometimes people talk abstractly because they don’t want to admit to things that don’t sound good when spoken in plain English. “Tapping into Scorpio energy” sounds better than “Lashing out at people over tiny offenses that don’t match my cataclysmic reaction.”

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posted May 25, 2014 12:03 PM            

I don't blame spirituality but the conman spirit and the sheep mentality ...

As one con woman admitted to me (in describing someone else) "There always has to be a grain of truth to be convincing..."

But I do think NAA is something we need, especially in places where one's identity is denied with these "whips"

and that the New Age has more than its fair share of wanna be cult leaders who are expert gaslighters and people willing to follow them.

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posted May 25, 2014 02:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I never push Jesus on people. If you have the Hope Diamond, are you gonna beg people to take it. That is my philosophy

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Because sufferers identify words, numbers, actions, etc., as having magical power to cause harm or bad luck, the magical compulsions which are supposed to undo them are frequently seen to involve the same elements. These rituals are generally used to cancel out or negate the 'bad' magical elements by employing their opposites, such as thinking of health promoting words in response to thoughts concerning the names of illnesses.

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posted May 26, 2014 11:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I never push Jesus on people. If you have the Hope Diamond, are you gonna beg people to take it. That is my philosophy

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How peculiar, not to mention selfish.

You'd think someone like that would want to help others, to Serve.....

posted May 27, 2014 12:12 AM            

and possibly lead by Jesus' example - which you DEFINITELY do not do here.

If you want me to push Jesus on you, just contact me

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Originally posted by Randall:
Astrology has no more scientific basis than numerology or anything else discussed on this thread. Science and Spirituality are mutually exclusive concepts. Astrology has been repeatedly tested by scientific standards, and it fails every time. That doesn't mean it isn't real. But seeing people who believe in Astrology (a magical belief system by any standard) mock or attempt to discredit others' New Age beliefs is the epitome of hypocrisy.

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