posted March 27, 2015 08:16 AM            

If they are not labeled as such, they can never get better.

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posted March 27, 2015 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
YES, I was just gonna write an article on this. Much of what our society labels as psych issues are dark forces at work imo

If they are not labeled as such, they can never get better.

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Please, let's just not return to Middle Ages and believe epileptic or schizophrenic people are possessed and in need of "exorcism" or "witches" to burn, let's not flush hundreds of years of hard-earned medical progress and their sacrifice down the toilet. The "dark force" would be to believe and promote such ideas.

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posted March 27, 2015 03:50 PM            

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posted March 27, 2015 05:28 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
too sensitive a subject.

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posted March 28, 2015 03:09 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
We need to change how we approach mental health issues and criminal behavior.

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Interesting enough I heard about a guy who was constantly threatening others and getting locked up for it but then released (jail or mental hospital, I don't know). The neighborhood was being terrorized by him but there wasn't anything that could be done.

Then a guy I know (though this was before I knew him) heard him trying to beat down his door yelling at them over some imagined wrong done against him. He opened it and shoved his shotgun in his face and told him many in the neighborhood would love it if he pulled the trigger and doubt he'd even be prosecuted for it.

The mentally ill man instantly found his sanity (or was at least able to fake it). And forever after that (until either he or the family moved, I forget which happened first) that crazy guy continued to terrorize the neighborhood but somehow the guy who shoved a shotgun in his face and the woman who lived with him were completely left alone by him.

But then as many jokes about someone in a mental hospital like to end, "I'm here because I'm crazy, not because I'm stupid."

posted March 28, 2015 03:16 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Interesting enough I heard about a guy who was constantly threatening others and getting locked up for it but then released (jail or mental hospital, I don't know). The neighborhood was being terrorized by him but there wasn't anything that could be done.

Then a guy I know (though this was before I knew him) heard him trying to beat down his door yelling at them over some imagined wrong done against him. He opened it and shoved his shotgun in his face and told him many in the neighborhood would love it if he pulled the trigger and doubt he'd even be prosecuted for it.

The mentally ill man instantly found his sanity (or was at least able to fake it). And forever after that (until either he or the family moved, I forget which happened first) that crazy guy continued to terrorize the neighborhood but somehow the guy who shoved a shotgun in his face and the woman who lived with him were completely left alone by him.

But then as many jokes about someone in a mental hospital like to end, "I'm here because I'm crazy, not because I'm stupid."

That and other things I've seen about street crazies makes me think a lot (though not all) of mentally ill people target those they know they can get away with it rather than they genuinely have no self-control or awareness of their actions.

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posted March 28, 2015 03:45 AM            

In any case it was apparent that his way of dealing with him was better than the system's.

He shared that with me after I'd mentioned how when I was a runaway the street schizos would often menace and even attack those who were small or seen as unable to effectively defend themselves but they were never a bother when the bigger guys were around (like one in particular who was extremely aggressive against us underage girls in grabbing our boobs and trying to take our clothes off until we defended ourselves and got away yet whenever the big guys were around he just sat off by himself, despite that he claimed to be God in human form and thus shouldn't be bothered by mere boys), nor did they act the same way toward the police that they did us kids (some also liked to mutter angry and anyone who acted scared was a target but they left the others alone). That strikes me as being more of a bully with poor impulse control than someone who has no understanding of their actions (and thus shouldn't be excused for what they do and allowed to do it repeatedly).

posted March 28, 2015 06:48 AM            

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too sensitive a subject.

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posted March 28, 2015 06:04 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I do not think pulling a gun on a crazy person is the right away to deal with them

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So the right way was to let him storm into the house and assault him and the woman with him calling the police to take him away for a couple of weeks and then live with that happening again and again?

We'll just have to agree to disagree on the "right way" for him to have handled that.

posted March 28, 2015 06:22 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
So the right way was to let him storm into the house and assault him and the woman with him calling the police to take him away for a couple of weeks and then live with that happening again and again?

We'll just have to agree to disagree on the "right way" for him to have handled that.

Though I expect you're speaking in the idealistic (that is "in a perfect world"). However, we don't live in an ideal world and I doubt we ever will, and until we do then people have to go with what works, not what we wish would happen.

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posted March 28, 2015 06:50 PM            

You thought I was advocating people pull guns on people and tell them (crazy or otherwise) "don't do that" as a cure for mental illness?

I really must learn to wait a day before posting and trying to see how what I post can be viewed. But I doubt it would've occurred to me that someone would have translated what I said that way. My point was that many (and probably most) people who are crazy like that do have an understanding of consequences (both long term and immediate) and take them into account rather than they're just "sleepwalking" without rhyme or reason and thus "rinse and repeat" wasn't the best way to go about it.

posted March 28, 2015 08:10 PM            

That said, I do maintain he COULD help it, as many others can who don't. He (like others) did help it, repeatedly, and he did so because in that case there were consequences. Take the guns and tasers from the police and he'd have been terrorizing them as well when they came to lock him up again for a week or so before throwing their hands in the air and releasing him to do it again next time he gets bored or frustrated. And if they can help it then they should, or they should be locked up with all the others who refuse to restrain themselves (heck, he should be locked up if he CAN'T help it, too). Granted, it's not ideal but it's better than "rinse and repeat" which isn't working and their victims don't deserve to be terrorized.