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aquaguy91
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posted April 06, 2015 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Found this video and thought it was really interesting and thought provoking! It's an audiobook version of an essay called "Lazy: A Manifesto".

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WWyV_GaH7K0

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PixieJane
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posted April 06, 2015 01:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WWyV_GaH7K0

I loved that, and worth getting to the end! (If people can't be bothered to listen to all of it then I suggest skipping to the last 3 minutes or so, but it's better taken together.)

And for fun:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/006501.html

I'll share an insight later I had many years ago that echoes what that guy says toward the end.

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aquaguy91
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posted April 06, 2015 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The guy in the video expresses alot of things I've felt/thought for a long time. Why do so many (most) people become slaves to jobs that they hate? If you go into any given workplace you'll see that most of the people there are miserable and would much rather be doing their own thing. So why do we do it? Most peoples goal is to make as much money as possible but I think the goal should be to do what you want to do and work as little as possible.

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PixieJane
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posted April 06, 2015 03:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^

Ah, jobism. The guy is right about how Puritans made it an ideal to live up to and though raw capitalism has taken put the more religious elements in the backseat (where they loudly give directions but aren't the ones at the wheel anymore) it's still there. Interesting enough, where wealth will often gloss over many flaws (for example, mix someone considered "crazy" with wealth and he becomes "eccentric") it's generally better seen as having a middle class job than being a rich trust fund kid. Until there's a contract involved it's rare for any artist or performer to get any respect no matter how much money they make, they're still seen as shiftless and irresponsible more often than not (and the contract is very likely to screw them over so they'll make less, especially as corporations typically find ways to pass along any costs such as promotion back to the suckers who signed). And then there's that classic NCO/sergeant line in the US military: "Don't call me sir, I WORK for a living!"

And to think how often people get screwed by their jobs. And even when they make a lot of money the upkeep (having the right clothes, sometimes even pressed and dry cleaned regularly, the gas for transportation, and countless other bills) make me wonder just how much "take home" pay is really theirs to keep due to spending it on the things they need for their job. And to think many also find therapy necessary to keep it up so add in the cost of that and meds. (I know some love their health plans but a lot of them aren't that good and even when they are they can be canceled if you lose your job, so when you really need it after that car wreck or cancer diagnosis you lose your job and the insurance that came with it.) I thought one theory I heard made a lot of sense on the reason alcohol and coffee are still legal is because people need the caffeine to perk up to do their jobs and then alcohol after to calm down and finally get to sleep, then wake up and repeat...

And then there's not only the "off the job expenses" but also "off the job homework." After seeing how much work teachers put into their jobs when not on the clock I can see why they typically have little sympathy for kids with just a little homework (and parents calling/emailing and the like can add more personal time lost to their job when they're not even being paid for it anymore--and then they get to hear how terrible they are and get paid too much).

It's not necessary. I've seen people build homes for about a thousand bucks (in this case they used mostly cob, but not exclusively so, but the price included plumbing, cabinets, etc) and one smart family even arranged for alternate energy so that they not only had all the power they needed but even sold excess power to the power company! Of course they weren't into consumerism either. The society that requires all the work we do is an artificial one...and I can see why the movie The Matrix seemed to speak to so many people for that reason alone.

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posted April 06, 2015 03:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I let a guy live with me once for as long as I could, and he ran errands, did housework, and (most of all) made me laugh. People thought he was a bum, but there's no way I could have afforded personal assistants, maids, and the like to do what he did for room and board, and who knows how much I'd have spent on comedy if I didn't have him to make me laugh instead? He wasn't lazy, but because he didn't punch a clock he was treated as if he was. And that attitude pretty much what I call jobism, where your value as a person is determined by your job rather than your accomplishments and personal strengths.

The worst I knew was a friend of mine (though old enough to be my grandfather) who LOVED writing. He was once a professional writer (under contract) and still gets royalties to this day, and people think that's okay. But a wife he used to have wouldn't let him write for fun because that was a waste of time and only worth doing if you get paid and thus had to post fanfic and the like under a pseudonym because his wife actually searched the internet to see if he was still posting the stories he made for fun!

As if that wasn't twisted enough, he felt terrible when he wasn't actively working (despite that he got royalties and it sounded as if he'd amassed quite a bit of money) and it was such that he was finally able to get a job working in a center for the criminally insane. Not regular insane, mind you, but people who should be in prison but were so bad that even prison guards wouldn't have anything to do with them, and the violence there was pretty intense at times even with all the straps and heavy medications. I told him to quit, it wasn't a job worth having, but he felt terrible at not having a job...and his wife didn't want him to quit either as the pay was too good.

Gods, I hated his wife and was glad when he finally divorced her. I don't see how she could have loved him when she squashed any happiness of his (unless it brought in cash) and had him work dangerous jobs that made him feel terrible as well as at risk. (I told him he should tell his wife that sex for fun was also a waste of time and it's only worth doing if you get paid, but he wouldn't do it.) Not that it was just her, he'd been raised on the worth of the almighty job which is to be more important than family, and sometimes even love, ethics, and/or God(dess). The scope of the tragedy was no job was so terrible (not even working with the criminally insane) that it made him feel as bad when he wasn't working a "real job" at all (even when he didn't need one).

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posted April 06, 2015 03:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of the "best" nightmares I ever had taught me something worth remembering.

In it a demon like in Jeepers Creepers was chasing me and it was one morbid, gory nightmare throughout. It finally caught me and then impaled me on 5 swords as it needed me filled with rage and despair for some ritual to work. But once I realized I was going to die, I just let go and there was no more "should" ("I should," "People should," "Life should," etc) and as I let those go a tremendous sense of peace overcame me and the demon rages that it lost what it thought it had gained.

That peace was so intense that I meditated on it when I woke up. And then I put off the things I had planned and simply had fun all day after resolving to not worry about what I should do or how things should be for that single day. And it was one of the best days in my life.

Obviously if I lived like that 24/7 I'd have some real problems, but I do resolve to repeat this from time to time and having learned not to focus on what "should" be or happen or what I "should be doing" I find a similar peace. For me it's about finding the right balance, enough responsibility to get by but enough goof off time that it's actually worth it rather than being as miserable as so many others are.

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posted April 06, 2015 04:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swanlake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AquaGuy, I recall reading somewhere on some thread you mentioning that you worked 50 hrs pwk ..and also that you were having to "clock in & clock out"...

I felt shocked, thinking to myself (me being 58).... "this young guy is a wage Slave - of Todays Times and he can't realise it.
He being so young is assuming this to be "normal" in this day & age.
He can't know how this is NOT how life should be, and it never used to be.

I will tell you this-
People are being more & MORE enslaved in these so-called "Modern Times".
This, - DESPITE "modern technology", (which was supposed to make life "easier", but has NOT)

If you are recognising that something is very wrong, that is a good sign.

It means you are becoming aware..
..-That you are living, & trapped in a/ ("The Matrix")!

Just think: Life SHOULD & COULD be much easier than this constant financial struggle to make ends meet.

Ask : WHO CONTROLS THE WORLD?
(Those who OWN & CONTROL the Banking System, PLUS The MEDIA)
A certain minority...

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posted April 06, 2015 05:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's another vid to much the same effect, from another part of the world (Thailand):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21j_OCNLuYg

Jon Jandai has stopped being a wage slave and now leads the easy life of his peasant forefathers, while teaching people how to take it easy… I can see his points, even though his lifestyle is not possible in every climate, obviously. But still, a lot of the psychological stress people suffer from nowadays probably comes from this disconnect between our basic needs as Homo Sapiens and our modern lifestyle, at least that's how I often feel.

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posted April 06, 2015 06:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Economic slavery, I call it.

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posted April 06, 2015 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 06, 2015 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The thing about me is I don't mind working, but I refuse to be one of these people that goes to a job they hate every single day. A few months ago I briefly tried to stick with a job I hated and it was killing my soul. This job was the most monotonous and boring job you can imagine and it was 10 hours a day, 7 days a week! Oh, but the paychecks were nice! I stuck with that for a few weeks and was like "f*ck this" and went back to my old job. Who would sign up and stick with a job where they don't have a life outside of work? It would be one thing if it was a fun job that you enjoyed but working 7 days a week at a boring mundane job? That should be criminal! I agree with the guy that we need more of a balance. I've done what he suggested more than a few times. I've called into work or left work to hang out with friends or to do something I wanted to do. Life is too short to be a slave to work.

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posted April 08, 2015 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by aquaguy91:
The thing about me is I don't mind working, but I refuse to be one of these people that goes to a job they hate every single day. A few months ago I briefly tried to stick with a job I hated and it was killing my soul. This job was the most monotonous and boring job you can imagine and it was 10 hours a day, 7 days a week! Oh, but the paychecks were nice! I stuck with that for a few weeks and was like "f*ck this" and went back to my old job. Who would sign up and stick with a job where they don't have a life outside of work? It would be one thing if it was a fun job that you enjoyed but working 7 days a week at a boring mundane job? That should be criminal! I agree with the guy that we need more of a balance. I've done what he suggested more than a few times. I've called into work or left work to hang out with friends or to do something I wanted to do. Life is too short to be a slave to work.

Yup- well said! Work hard, but play hard as well.

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posted April 10, 2015 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agree wholeheartedly! This reminded me of Alan Watts' epic 3-minute speech below - for a while, I used to listen to it every single day after I discovered it:

What Do You Desire?

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posted April 10, 2015 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, for me personally. I need enough money to feel secure (car, suitable place to live, food) and I'm good.
I need to feel happy with what I'm doing. So long as the money allows me to be independent, I'm good.
If I'm not happy then it's time to change things up.
We spend a good portion of our lives working (well many do!). We might as well enjoy our time there.
A co-worker always tells me that he's so happy that I came to his shift (aqua sun, Virgo moon) because I make him laugh a lot. Get the job done but it's important to remember to have some laughs.
Be happy... that's number one to me.

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