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BellaFenice
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posted May 23, 2015 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Exciting news! The fact one of the most traditionally Catholic countries has passed legalization of same-sex marriage legislation shows the progress we have made. Although we have a long way to go, these sort of moments remind me there is still beauty left in a perhaps ugly world at times.

Eh, this might be more of a DD/AR topic, move if necessary. Here is part of an article summarizing the vote.

What the 'yes' vote means

The Republic of Ireland has a written constitution which can only be changed by referendum.

Now that the proposal has been passed, a marriage between two people of the same sex will have the same status under the Irish constitution as a marriage between a man and a woman.

They will be recognised as a family and be entitled to the constitutional protection for families.

Civil partnerships for same-sex couples have been legal in Ireland since 2010, giving couples legal protection which could be changed by the government.

However, married gay people will now have a constitutional standing that can only be removed by another popular vote.

'Social revolution'

"I appreciate how gay and lesbian men and women feel on this day, that they feel this is something that is enriching the way they live. I think it is a social revolution."

Voters were asked whether they agreed with the statement: "Marriage may be contracted in accordance with law by two persons without distinction as to their sex."

In 2010, the Irish government enacted civil partnership legislation, which provided legal recognition for gay couples.

But there are some important differences between civil partnership and marriage, the critical one being that marriage is protected in the constitution while civil partnership is not.

Catholic churches will continue to decide for themselves whether to solemnise a marriage.

The leader of the Catholic Church in Ireland, Eamon Martin, has said the church may look at whether it continues to perform the civil side of solemnisation if the change comes in.

A separate referendum, on whether the eligibility age of presidential candidates should be lowered from 35 to 21, was held at the same time.

The referendum was defeated with 73.1% voting no and 26.9% voting yes.

A total of 1,412,602 people voted against, while 520,898 people voted in favour.


Check this out too: here are the current (not updated Ireland) same-sex marriage status rulings in Europe:

The 40% Irish in me is proud, but the 50% Italian and 10% German sides are very disappointed. ¯\_("/)_/¯

I mean Italy is not surprising because of the Catholic church, but if Ireland can do it, why not (would be tougher though).The CDU/CSU is why Germany, despite efforts, cannot get legislature to pass. It is crazy though-70% of Germans support gay marriage yet politicians keep preventing any action from being taken.

Kudos to Ireland!

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posted May 23, 2015 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Eh, this might be more of a DD/AR topic, move if necessary. Here is part of an article summarizing the vote.

Yea, I was going to post this here earlier today (I'm Irish)... but I opted for AR;
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum30/HTML/000136.html

So if Mod wants to move this there, not much point.

And Yes, Kudos to us lol!

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posted May 24, 2015 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My bad- didn't even check that forum to see if anyone posted about it!

Yeah, I'm totally fine with it being moved then if it has to.

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posted May 24, 2015 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think its fine here, I mean... I don't think it needs to be moved

Plus, AR likely gets less traffic than SPITR so more exposer is better overall.

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posted May 24, 2015 03:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Will move a copy thread to AR;
keeping it open here also.
I hope that is OK.
Seems to be a topic for both forums imo.

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posted May 24, 2015 04:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I agree. That is why I was a little unsure of where to put it in the first place.

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posted May 24, 2015 05:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is wonderful news!

I'm Scottish-Italian-Irish myself.

Come on Italy and Scotland - get on with it!

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posted May 24, 2015 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Once again, the sheeple are seeing the situation from the superficial meaning.

It is NOT about gay people loving each like like heteros.

It is not about that like Freddie Grey was not about racism.

Freddie Grey was about making the police force under the governmental control a lal Nazi Germany.

This is about a deeper motive/issue/agenda as well.

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posted May 24, 2015 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could you, like, not derail my threads for once? I hope you realize how petty you look by doing this frequently.

It is an insult for all same-sex couples who should be celebrating this day. The last thing I would want to see is some creep coming on the board trying to marginalize my moment.

Honestly, take this sort of stuff to your blog or HH, we all have all heard enough about this "sheeple" crap. Your opinion on everything being a "conspiracy" is a blatant way to promote and encourage bigotry.

Be respectful of the message behind the post- spread love and not hate. It will make you a much happier and healthier individual.

It is not about you or your 'perfect' logic, it is about people who's right have been systematically oppressed for decades because of their sexual orientation. Put yourself in someone else's shoes and think about the difficulties they must have endured being treated as lessor based on their sexual orientation.

No one wants to hear your conspiracies, this is a positive thread for celebrating a good moment.

Edit: and what the heck does 'loving like heteros' supposed to mean?' People love the same, regardless of sexual orientation.

LOL, 1984 and Animal Farm do not support people getting MORE rights. You would rather same-sex couples be crucified and treated as second-class citizens? That analogy is terrible and has no evidence.

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posted May 24, 2015 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did you guys ever read 1984 or Animal Farm?

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posted May 24, 2015 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Once again, the sheeple are seeing the situation from the superficial meaning.

It is NOT about gay people loving each like like heteros.

It is not about that like Freddie Grey was not about racism.

Freddie Grey was about making the police force under the governmental control a lal Nazi Germany.

This is about a deeper motive/issue/agenda as well.


Perhaps a thread in Spiderline, that actually evidences your position that this is a conspiracy, would help people understand, Ami.

In the meantime - WELL DONE IRELAND!

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posted May 24, 2015 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK--does anyone here see that Freddy Grey was a means to make one more step to a nationalized police force? Yes or No?

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posted May 24, 2015 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is how you spread love as a Christian! Lets keep the vibes uplifting in here AND on topic.

Ireland’s historic decision to pass gay marriage by popular vote Saturday has led many to question the strength of the Catholic Church in the land of St. Patrick. For example, The Telegraph’s Tim Stanley wrote that Ireland’s “yes” to gay marriage was a “no” to Catholicism. But such simplistic reductions miss the complex and evolving Catholic worldview on civil gay marriage.

Pope Francis began this evolution shortly after his election in July 2013 when he said, “If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” Dublin’s Catholic archbishop Diarmuid Martin went even further last year: “Anybody who doesn’t show love towards gay and lesbian people is insulting God. They are not just homophobic if they do that—they are actually Godophobic because God loves every one of those people.”

Though Martin didn’t support the gay marriage referendum, he did call for creative approaches to address the issue and pushed back against what he thought were unfair attacks on the gay community during the debate. He went as far to say that some comments were “not just intemperate but obnoxious, insulting and unchristian in regard to gay and lesbian people.”

The vote in Ireland illuminates a dynamic shift on LGBT issues among Catholics and people of faith across the globe. Today about 60% of Catholics in the United States support gay marriage, compared to about 36% a decade ago.

In fact, many who voted “yes” on gay marriage did so because of their faith, not in spite of it. One elderly Irish couple put it this way: “We are Catholics, and we are taught to believe in compassion and love and fairness and inclusion. Equality, that’s all we’re voting for.”

The idea of an inclusive Catholic Church may have seemed like a pipe dream not many years ago, but under the tenure of Francis the Troublemaker, it doesn’t seem that farfetched. Two summers ago the Pope tweeted, “Let the Church always be a place of mercy and hope, where everyone is welcomed, loved and forgiven.”

On the eve of Pentecost, it seems that Ireland has taken that message to heart and sent an unmistakable message to the Church and society at large: A community that excludes anyone is no community at all.

http://time.com/3895214/ireland-gay-marriage-referendum-catholic-church/

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posted May 24, 2015 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scotland has already come a long way:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Scotland

Not so much in Italy, however.

I must admit I'm surprised by the German government lagging behind on this.

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posted May 24, 2015 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bella

Do you know anything about how Nazi Germany came to be? Did they wake up one day and start putting people in cattle cars and sending them to be gassed. Do you freaking know any history? Or are you so clueless to anything but your own arrogance?

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posted May 24, 2015 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Scotland has already come a long way:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Scotland

Not so much in Italy, however.

I must admit I'm surprised by the German government lagging behind on this.


Yeah, I'm very disappointed about Germany. But it also has to do with the divisiveness of their different parties. They actually have had a considerable amount of legislation get through, only to be murked near the end.

Ami, I'm well aware of the Holocaust- it is called reading a history book. Believe it or not, I took AP World History and got an A+ as well as the 5 on the exam. Also took a few history courses in college. That has nothing to do with the topic. The US is nowhere near that sort of situation. Take your conspiracy crap elsewhere, there is a forum for that.

Again, request my email or go to HH if you have personal issues with me. The hostility as usual is unnecessary.

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posted May 24, 2015 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Scotland has already come a long way:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Scotland

Not so much in Italy, however.

I must admit I'm surprised by the German government lagging behind on this.


Ohhh, I actually didn't know this!

And one of my best friends is homosexual, for goodness sake! In saying that, he's not interested in marriage, so I guess we'd never talk about that.

Italy... home of the Vatican. This MAY take a bit longer.

I hope they learn from their Irish friends!

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posted May 24, 2015 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonWitch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is wonderful and warms my heart!

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posted May 24, 2015 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bella

I would bet anything you have a certain asteroid conjunct a pivotal point on the chart(ASC, MC, Sun, NN etc) Do you want to see? I have been wrong once in my innumerable, cold call asteroid picks but we shall see if I can retain my nearly perfect record or if I fall of the proverbial Astro cliff

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posted May 24, 2015 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarsSaturnDelight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ignore her, Bella.

She's being pathetic and acting childish.

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posted May 24, 2015 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, this is why this day is extremely important, for those who are unaware:

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posted May 24, 2015 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GO IRELAND!

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posted May 24, 2015 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liliya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yay goooo Ireland! So happy for my guys and gals, who can tie the knot now.

Love has no gender, colour or religious beliefs!

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posted May 24, 2015 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yay !

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posted May 24, 2015 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I make no bones about my support of traditional marriage, however, if the will of the ppl is thus, then so be it, the choice has been made

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