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Selenite
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posted November 07, 2015 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have them. I really like this guy, but I am practically ignoring every opportunity we get to become more intimate. I don't know what it is exactly that scares me.. Maybe it's the fact that he's 100% not playing with me, and that I think he's the coolest.
At this point, I've had my heart broken, and my soul crushed, so many times that I'm afraid its become frozen inside a bed of ice, not to be thawed out until centuries from now. But everything is screaming at me to forget about all of that. I just can't seem to.

Anyone been here before? How'd you get passed it?

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Soltze
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posted November 07, 2015 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soltze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Been there, but I think I didn't really solve the problem. I think I can't read people too well, so if afraid to do something I shouldn't.

I did once, and I got in a relationship with said person. So maybe if you force yourself to take an initiative it will be good for you.

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Ami Anne
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posted November 07, 2015 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Selenite
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posted November 07, 2015 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I guess there's nothing you can do except charge through it? I mean, that's what intimacy is all about right? Being vulnerable, no sidestepping around your feelings..

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Doux Rêve
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posted November 07, 2015 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, Selenite.

What could possibly help in a situation like this, is to simply tell yourself that he is just a person. Like you. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's really simple and a no-brainer, but sometimes you've gotta force yourself to put things into perspective, otherwise you get carried away into your own fantastical (and sometimes dreadful) speculations/ruminations.

So there's not much to be afraid of, all in all, because he is just a human... Not a god, not a demi-god, etc. (lol, really sometimes people tend to see the other as some kind of deity, almost.) He may have the same fears, even; who knows?

We're all just people trying to do our best, and that "best" varies from day to day...

I understand it's hard though, to be vulnerable with someone. You can't have too many expectations about such things, because you're bound to be disappointed more often than not.

The other thing is that if you're gonna be vulnerable, better be as clear and honest as possible (yeahhh I know sometimes being too open/honest is a bad thing, but you can't know how much is too much unless you try).

I think the issue that many people face (myself included) is the inability, or the reluctance, to simply speak up about whatever it is that you're going through. Well, women in general tend to be more expressive when it comes to their needs, desires and what bothers them (sometimes too much so)... You just gotta be really careful with the way you say things, because often times the other person becomes defensive or flees (if you're being too emotional or demanding/"complicated" for them, for example).

So, ideally the way you present things shouldn't be too emotional, but the content has to convey your feelings/thoughts very clearly (to avoid misunderstandings).

You can start slow, for example talk about your fears of intimacy (which propels you into "vulnerable" territory already)... See how they react, how you feel, how easily or uneasily the communication flows, etc. And slowly go from there. Throw bits and pieces of your vulnerable side and see how they deal with it, and respond accordingly. If they're receptive, get a little deeper. If there's something they said, or didn't say, that bothered you, tell them so, right then and there.... Don't let it fester. It's better to risk being hurt even more after exposing yourself more (but calmly - otherwise it's almost assuredly doomed), rather than resenting the other person for something they may not even be aware of and acting passive-aggressive or eventually even blowing up on them (trust me on this...)

I'd also suggest to pay attention to the give and take dynamics. If they're not being vulnerable with you at all, perhaps ask them some personal questions and see how they respond. Might give you an idea about how they handle "bonding", which is essential. One-sided intimacy is not exactly the best of things (technically it's not even possible though, as intimacy implies reciprocity, does it not?)

Anyway, I hope this makes sense to you and gives you some food for thought. (I never know if I make sense when I write posts like this, and I also fear being judged for my ideas/thoughts - here, I've just exposed a bit of my vulnerable side to you... and everyone else who's reading this. It may seem retarded but it's actually not that easy even on a public forum... at least for some of us.)

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Ami Anne
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posted November 07, 2015 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is really brilliant, Doux!

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Selenite
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posted November 09, 2015 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Doux! Thank you. That was a beautiful answer, totally made sense.
I ended up spending the weekend at his place. I think we are teaching each other all of this intimacy stuff.. It's really nice. Never experienced anything quite as 'real' before.

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Desiring Shadows
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posted November 09, 2015 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree. Basically all you need to do is value him less and it will be easier to open up to him. I kind of have this problem too. Remember there are 7 billion people in the world and if he doesn't work out there's another just like him or different but you'll like that guy too. So enjoy him like you would enjoy anyone else but in a more relaxed state

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Doux Rêve
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posted November 09, 2015 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami,

Thank you.


Selenite,

I'm glad to hear that you guys are getting closer together and learning some new things. That's wonderful news, keep it up.


Desiring,

I wouldn't necessarily say "value less", but I understand your point... Often times we don't put things into perspective and get lost in emotional entanglements that can result in more harm than good.

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Desiring Shadows
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posted December 12, 2015 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So true. Man if you guys saw the progress I am making, you would be so proud of me

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Randall
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posted December 29, 2015 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
So true. Man if you guys saw the progress I am making, you would be so proud of me


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Selenite
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posted December 29, 2015 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah, funny that you bumped this.
I am physically apart from him and forced to deal with the distance like a normal human.. Doux reading your post again really helped me.

Basically, whatever issues I had with intimacy were demolished (his Pluto is on my Venus-IC, after all). Sure they pop up every now and then, because it's only been 2 months. Can't be too vulnerable ya know?

But anyway,
His Venus in Gemini opposite Uranus is really coming out.. In the sense that he's not obsessive about me or insecure about our relationship, which is what I'm used to in a partner. Now I'm learning how to not take independence, or lack of neediness, as a threat / sign of disinterest. It's funny because as a Moon square Uranus, I act the exact same way towards people.. Need tons of space, hate texting.. This is the first time someone's ever been that way to me and I see how maddening it is now..

It seems like I'm finally figuring out the balance between the all and the nothing of Venus in Scorpio.

@Desiring.. Yes!! Proud of you. We must be in a similar place.

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StubbornVirgo
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posted December 31, 2015 02:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Doux Rêve

This is great advice. I'm keeping this in mind the next time I want to get close to someone.

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Dancing Maenad
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posted January 01, 2016 01:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been contemplating these thoughts too. I think more importantly is to address the cause of the intimacy issues, which might be different for different people. In my case, I have a poor relationship with my body, we still don't get along properly, so it's even more complicated bringing another person into the mix. So I am more afraid of physical intimacy, rather than the emotional one. I've mastered that one, I'm cool with it. It's not that I have low self esteem, in general, but when it does come to being physically intimate with someone, I get really anxious. I had a breakdown about a week ago just contemplating the possibility. The solution, in my case, is to work on my relationship with my body. Treat it right, so it treats me right. I guess my biggest fear is that I've treated my body so badly, that people are going to be repulsed by that attribute. We generally do not like people who don't take the best care of themselves, do we? I know I don't. Self care is a big part of self love. And this is where I still slack. When I'll be more relaxed in my body, more at peace with the dynamic between me and it, I will have no problem in inviting someone in that mix. Until then, I probably won't, because I know I'll just cringe through the whole thing and not fully enjoy myself - and in that case, why even go through with it?

I truly believe that a satisfying relationship with another person cannot be attained if you do not already have a satisfying relationship with yourself - whether it is the physical body, the emotional body or the mental plane.

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Selenite
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posted January 05, 2016 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I thought this was interesting: Chiron is currently in my 8th house and approaching an exact square to my Sun and Mercury. Saturn is almost exactly on my Eros in the 5th, and the transiting NN and Jupiter have been on my natal Chiron, in the 2nd house.

@ Maenad.. I hear you. Absolutely agree. I still have much work to do with Self love, too.

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