posted February 25, 2008 09:30 AM              

i have wondered about asteroid progressions for a long time. i mean, i have graduated from not believing in them at all, to reluctantly accepting it.
how could i not...

my Dr sun conj my Dads Dr.Karma
my parents have Valentines , junos and Karmas conjunct.

suffice to say Iqhunks itch finally got me, and a study of more than 10 charts , all soulmates convinced me Asteroids are crucial IF u want to be sure u r looking at Soulmate synastry.
then it hit me to study progressed asteroid progressions in my chart, to see if it correlates to the timing of finally breaking it into media.
i was a struggling actor, with asteroid actor conjunct natal MC exactly and IQ reassured me my dreams would come true.

natal karma progressed to second house .........of MONEY

natal Foruna progresed to exactly conjunct natal Karma

natal Opportunity progressed to conjunct natl MC conjunct natal Asteroid Actor.

Natal Actor progressed to conjunct natal south node

heres a case study of my folks progressed natal charts the day they met and fell in love top live happily ever after

posted February 25, 2008 09:33 AM              

karma conjunt karma
juno conjunct juno
amor conjunct pluto
dna conjunct mars
psyche opposed karma
mercuryconjunct ceres
moon opposed karma
mars conjunct karma
venus conjunct eros
valentine conj eros
valentine conj venus
valentine opp pluto
amor conj pluto

i mean whoa

now lets look at the progressed asteroid placements of each of their charts the day they met

dads natal and progressed

moms natal and progressed

posted February 25, 2008 09:37 AM              

that is when i went into cardiac arrest. Iqhunk always said Eros was important becoz the asteroid was named on 14 the Feb.now THIS is synchronicity.

Moms prog Valentine conj dads natal Sun
Moms prog Cupido conj Dads natal Karma

posted February 25, 2008 08:33 PM              

Me and Jonhy also have some nice ones:

My Sun conj his DNA - my DNA conj his Saturn/Pluto
My Karma opose his Moon and trine his VX
My Amor conj his PF - his Valentine conj my PF
My Psych trine his PF - his Psyche trine my PF
My Eros skuares his Psyche
My Union/Destinn conj his ASC-HIs Sun/Merc conj my ASC

PROGRESSIONS DAY WE MET

My P.Sun was conj J´s N.Venus and trine his Kiron
MY P.Juno was exact trine J´s natal JUNO ...his P.juno was trine my Sun
His P.VX was CONJUNCT my natal Juno and P.juno
My P.Venus/Mars/kARMA were trine his P.Mars/Nep
My P.Pluto was CONJUNCT his P.Venus
His P Pluto was conj my DNA
hIS P Union was conj my PF
HIS P.KARMA was CONJUNCT my JUNO!
hIS P Amor was conj my P ASC
MY P Eros was conj his ASC

posted February 26, 2008 02:29 AM            

My Progressed Psyche in 13'31 Virgo
My Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo
Her Ascendant in 13'43 Pisces
Her Venus in 13'24 Taurus
Her Progressed Union in 13'09 Taurus
Her Progressed Midheaven in 13'22 Capricorn
Her Progressed Mars in 12'21 Taurus
My Progressed Midheaven in 12'22 Cancer
Her Progressed Cupido in 11'38 Capricorn
Her Progressed Aphrodite in 11'39 Taurus

Her Progressed Venus in 10'24 Gemini
Her Progressed Karma in 11'38 Gemini
My Midheaven in 11'15 Gemini
My North Lunar Nodes in 10'29 Aquarius/Leo
My Chiron in 10'32 Aries R

Her Progressed Juno in 18'25 Pisces
My Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio

Her Progressed Mercury in 21'29 Taurus
My Venus in 21'47 Scorpio

My Progressed Vertex in 1'30 Taurus
Her Moon in 1'24 Scorpio

Her Progressed Amor in 4'18 Pisces
My Progressed Hera in 5'13 Cancer R
My Sun in 5'20 Scorpio

My Progressed Sun in 9'50 Sagittarius
Her Jupiter in 10'55 Sagittarius R

Her Amor in 22'40 Aquarius
My Progressed Amor in 23'29 Leo

I feel the most significant aspects that regular astrologers would look at is
Her Progressed Venus conjunct my Midheaven - '50 applying
Her Progressed Venus trine my North Lunar Node - '05 applying
Her Progressed Venus sextile my Chiron - '08 applying
Her Progressed Midheaven trine my Ascendant - '05 applying
Her Progressed Moon oppose my Vertex - '06 separating

posted February 26, 2008 09:41 AM              

do the Progressions also "work"wwith the Draconics of the 2 persons?

The day we met(orb of 2º)

posted February 26, 2008 12:21 PM              

this is a great topic.
And your parents really have outstanding connections. Their synastry is simply amazing.

Diandra,

yes, I think those work with Draconics, too, but maybe on a more subtle level.

However, I looked at the progressions of the day, when I kinda "bumped" into P, and I also noted the transits, who acted as a trigger.

his pr Sun and pr Karma opposite my Amor
- no oppositions and conjunctions of transiting planets though

his pr Moon conjuncts my Isis and Osiris on 9° Capricorn
The Sabian for this is:
AN ANGEL CARRYING A HARP.
KEYNOTE: The revelation of the spiritual meaning and purpose at the core of any life situation.
- Transits: opposite Mars

his pr Venus opposite my pr Mars
- opposite / conjunct to Transit Pluto

his pr Mars conjunct my pr Moon
- opposite Transit Mercury / Psyche

This has been exact on 30th december, when he recognized me and greeted me from stage
on 26° Aries
A MAN POSSESSED OF MORE GIFTS THAN HE CAN HOLD.
KEYNOTE: Obsession by potentiality.

LOL Okay, I get it, that is me, to obsessed with the slightest sign of recognition.

"The mind which finds itself confronted with a totally unfamiliar and as yet unexperienced type of potency finds it difficult at first to adjust to its new world of perception and possibilities of action. He may rush ahead excitedly and lose his bearings. He should try to reach a state of calm watchfulness, and to learn that at this level too there are limits and restrictions, i.e. laws expressing this new type of "order."

This is the first stage of the sixth five-fold sequence of cyclic phases. This entire sequence of symbols shows us that man at this evolutionary station has to move carefully in his new realm, for his consciousness is not yet fully able to operate in it, except with closely defined limits. It is a symbol of WARNING — a warning against undertaking more than it is as yet safe and sound to attempt."

No, I didn`t DO anything. It was just a pleasant surprise. that is all.

his pr Juno conjunct my Karma
- opposite Transit Siva

his pr VAlentine conjunct my Kaali and my pr Karma on 13° Gemini
SABIAN:
A FAMOUS PIANIST GIVING A CONCERT PERFORMANCE.
KEYNOTE: Individual fulfillment in the performing of a social function to which some prestige is attached.

- LOL, how true, besides being guest, he also sang two songs. Those Sabians are just AWESOME

posted February 26, 2008 12:36 PM              

my pr Mercury and pr Venus conjunct his SN on 17° / 18° AQuarius:
- conjunct Transit Neptune

and the SABIAN for 18° Aquarius:
A MAN'S SECRET MOTIVES ARE BEING PUBLICLY UNMASKED.
KEYNOTE: The difficulty for the modern individual to keep secret his private past or his deeper motives.

my pr Psyche conjunct his Chiron (8° Pisces) and opposite his Pluto
- opposite Transit Saturn
- conjunct Transit NN
- widely conjunct Transit Amor

SABIAN for 8° Pisces:
A GIRL BLOWING A BUGLE.
KEYNOTE: A call to participation in the service of the race, as an evolutionary crisis approaches

I didn`t really get the meaning of that, until I read the explanation below:

"This symbolic picture presents another aspect of the emotional relationship between the individual and the collectivity of human beings. It can also be related to the old feminist movement or the present women's liberation. In traditional symbolism the woman refers more specifically to the biological and psychic aspect of human life; she is seen primarily as the mother, and/or the intuitive or "psychic" type of person. A new race of human beings may well be slowly unfolding some of its potential of consciousness and fulfillment. The individual who envisions this evolutionary development "sounds the call." He or she is both seer-herald and mutant. In that sense such a human being is both an individual true to his original nature and a dedicated person — dedicated to the future he or she holds in latency as does a seed in mutation.

At this third stage of the sixty-eighth five-fold sequence the two preceding phases blend in a new form of consecration of the individual to the Whole. Tomorrow acts through today; it SUMMONS men to rebirth."

my pr Cupido and my pr Vertex conjunct his NN
- opposite Transit Neptune

my pr IC conjunct his Karma
- opposite Transit Sun

This is all very interesting, not to mention, entertaining. The universe has some very unique sense of humour.

I guess, it could be interesting to check the connections to A, too.

posted February 26, 2008 01:18 PM            

My Progressed Moon in 14'36 Gemini
Her Valentine in 14'10 Gemini

My Progressed Destinn in 13'19 Scorpio
My Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo
Her Mercury in 13'27 Aries
Her Venus in 13'24 Taurus
Her Progressed Union in 13'09 Taurus
Her Progressed Midheaven in 13'22 Capricorn
Her Ascendant in 13'43 Pisces

Her Progressed Amor in 4'18 Pisces
My Progressed Venus in 4'26 Capricorn
My Progressed Hera in 5'13 Cancer R

posted February 26, 2008 02:40 PM              

His Moon opposite my Union
His Venus conjunct my Venus
His Venus conjunct my Isis
His Venus conjunct my Osiris
His Mars conjunct my Pluto
His Pluto opposite my Juno
His SN conjunct my Siva
His Valentine opposite my Aphrodite
His Amor conjunct my Mars
His Amor conjunct my Amor
His Eros conjunct my Venus
His Psyche opposite my Juno
His Aphrodite conjunct my Juno
HIs Siva opposite my Juno
His Osiris opposite my Karma
His Isis conjunct my Mars
His Isis conjunct my Neptune
His Isis conjunct my NN
His Isis conjunct my ASC
his Kaali conjunct my IC
His DSC conjunct my Union
His DSC conjunct my Uranus

The progressions are very interesting, too:

his pr Karma / natal Cupido conjunct my pr Eros and opposite my pr Osiris

- opposite / conjunct Transit Eros

SABIAN:
A WOMAN AND TWO MEN CASTAWAYS ON A SMALL ISLAND OF THE SOUTH SEAS.

KEYNOTE: The focalization of complex inner potentialities in harmonic and concrete relationships.

- This is a perfect description of that evening. I felt rather torn because I didn`t know to whom I should dedicate my full attention. LOL

his pr Valentine conjunct my pr Moon
on 23° / 24° Aries
- opposite Transit Mercury / Psyche

SABIAN:
A PREGNANT WOMAN IN LIGHT SUMMER DRESS.
KEYNOTE: Fecundity.

- LOL His pr Valentine was on 23° Aries, and he has been talking a lot about little children on that evening, voicing his confusion why at once the thought of family and children had come to the centre of his thoughts - well, no wonder with progressed Valentine there!

My Moon was actually on 24° Aries:
BLOWN INWARD BY THE WIND, THE CURTAINS OF AN OPEN WINDOW TAKE THE SHAPE OF A CORNUCOPIA.

KEYNOTE: Openness to the influx of spiritual energies.

his pr Cupido conjuncts my Moon, my pr Mercury, my pr Venus and pr Antivertex and opposite my Cupido
- conjunct / opposite Transit Neptune

this conjunction was on 18° Aquarius
A MAN'S SECRET MOTIVES ARE BEING PUBLICLY UNMASKED.

KEYNOTE: The difficulty for the modern individual to keep secret his private past or his deeper motives.

his pr Isis and natal Sun conjunct my pr Mars
- conjunct Transit Pluto

his pr Osiris conjunct my pr Amor and pr ASC on 3° Capricorn:
A HUMAN SOUL, IN ITS EAGERNESS FOR NEW EXPERIENCES, SEEKS EMBODIMENT.
KEYNOTE: A powerful yearning for whatever will increase the scope and depth of one's contacts with other living beings.

NO COMMENT

his pr Siva opposite my Juno
- conjunct / opposite Transit Venus
- oposite / conjunct Transit Uranus
A OUIJA BOARD.
KEYNOTE: The ability to contact deeper recesses of the unconscious psyche and sensitiveness to psychic intimations and omens

And

AN EASTER PARADE.
KEYNOTE: The capacity inherent in all great sociocultural Images to unite the members of a community in a display of excellence.

my pr Sun conjunct his pr Eros

NOW it really gets "entertaining":

his Isis conjunct my pr NN / my pr VAlentine and opposite my pr Kaali
- opposite / conjunct Karma

Not only are the progressed aspects perfectly exact, but also the aspect to Transiting Karma is exact; on top of that all of this is just one degree away from my ASC-DSC-axis.

my pr Nn, my pr VAlentine and his Isis are on 9° Sagittarius
A MOTHER LEADS HER SMALL CHILD STEP BY STEP UP A STEEP STAIRWAY.
KEYNOTE: The need in any social situation to assist the less evolved in their management of the problems which society requires its members to solve.

On the other side, my pr Kaali and Tr Karma are on 9° Gemini:
A QUIVER FILLED WITH ARROWS.
KEYNOTE: Man's aggressive relationship to natural life, as a basis for survival and conquest.

my pr Cupido conjunct his Juno

my pr Juno conjunct his Kaali

DD

posted February 27, 2008 06:50 AM              

Valentine , according to me is most important soulmate marker. any progression involving Valentine is the best timer, i think.
i m looking at some other charts , will be back with more

DD

posted February 27, 2008 04:47 PM              

"u make a great Guinea Pig"

WEll, at least in relation to the charts of those two men.
I`m amazed myself, that I am having such strong ties to their charts. But maybe that explain the huge influence they`ve had on me.

Let me continue being a guinea pig.
Some years ago, I actually talked (very shortly) to P and shook his hand after a performance.
And when we shook hands, something very strange happened. I was actually feeling as if there was some kind of energy flowing through his hand to me and back again. A very warm and tingling sensation, and I felt as if I was having an infusion of energy and positive vibration. Ah, I`m not good in explaining this.

However, the progressions of that day are very interesting.

My pr Moon conjuncts his SN
his pr Venus opposite my pr Mars
my pr Venus conjunct his pr SN
my pr Venus and pr Mercury conjunct his Saturn
his pr Mercury conjunct my Karma
my pr IC conjunct his Venus
his pr Juno conjunct my Karma
his pr Karma opposite my Valentine
my pr Karma conjunct his pr Valentine
his pr Valentine conjunct my SN (with only 8 minutes of arc!)
his pr VAlentine conjunct my pr Kaali
his pr Psyche opposite my pr Psyche
my pr Siva opposite his Valentine

There were quite some progressions with Valentine, if I see it right.

posted February 27, 2008 04:53 PM            

I love asteroid Astrology. I have been into asteroids since 1999. I love their insights.

but

I wouldn't say that an asteroid aspect is the main soulmate indicator.

I would take regular aspects into account like Venus-Midheaven,Venus-Node aspects.

but yeah...Valentine aspects are interesting.

posted February 28, 2008 01:58 AM              

taurus 80 yes my parenbts share paralels, their synastry is a textbook study for anyone who wants to see what a soulmate synstry looks like.

Glaucus i m posting their charts and link to a thread. ]http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/012888.html]

actually only after the iner planets have serious aspects can one go to the asteroids to check soulmate potential.

posted February 28, 2008 02:06 AM              

Rule 1:
There has to be atleast one exact conjunction or exact trine of Ascendant of either person to either of: Asc, Sun, Moon, Venus, North Node, Saturn, Pluto, Karma, Valentine and Amor.
Exact means 1 degree either way or 2 degree orb to the max.

Rule 2:
There has to be atleast one exact conjunction or trine of Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Pluto, Karma with the other's Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Pluto, Karma.

If Rule 1 and Rule 2 both are true, then we can proceed to find double whammies or links for several other asteroids and we can include Jupiter, Uranus, Neptune, Nessus, Pholus and Chiron in the calculations.
Best Asteroids to be used:
Karma, Valentine, Eros, Psyche, Amor, Isis, Osiris, Siva, Kaali, Union, Juno and Ceres

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/014808-2.html

my parents havre rule 1 and rule 2 fulfilled multiple, times

posted February 28, 2008 02:55 AM            

that's the same as the ascendants conjunct each other's descendants.....so each's self(Ascendant,1st house) merges with each other's relationship,partnership ideal(Descendant,7th house)

it makes sense in the opposites attract

also Sun, Moon, Venus, North Node, Saturn, Pluto, Karma, Valentine and Amor oppose Ascendant could be indictors as they would conjunct the Descendant.

Midheaven is a very important angle that's often overlooked. In Cosmobiology,Uranian Astrology, it's actually the most important point....some consider the "I",the soul, the minute as its the most time-sensitive point. When they do rectifications,they check for hard aspects(conjunction,opposition,square,semisquare,
sesquiquadrate)to the Midheaven as they have to do with concrete events.

exact trines,conjunctions to either the Midheaven or its opposite angle,Imum Coeli could be very significant for soul connections. ......especially if the midheavens aspect each other.

posted February 28, 2008 08:26 AM              

for several times ive seen diferent astrology sites giving me my ASC on diferent degrees..one on which we post the exact coordinates of the place we were born(hospital,street,etc)places my ASC in 12ºLibra,but on Astro for example where we post the City Birth gives me a 0ºLibra - which is a huge diference.

I think that the most accurate one maybe is the one of the exact coordinates of street through the Google Earth-what do you think?

One way or the other,the IQ´S Rules do apply to me and Jonnhy:

- one way his Valentine Trine my ASC(2º)/my ASC conj his IC

-other way his Venus conj my ASC(3ºthough..)/my Draco ASC conj exact his Saturn/trine his Draco Moon

Why cant we use the asteroids Union/Juno for example for the 1st Clue? They both concern marriage ties/wife or husband conections.

I Looked at the Progressions only concerning Valentine,on the day we met:

- Jonhy´s Prg. ASC was conj my Prog. Valentine(1º)
- Diandra´s Prog. Valentine was trine John´s Eros
- John´s Prog. Valentine was trine Diandra´s ASC
- JOhn´s Prog Valentine was trine my Prog Merc(my sun ruler)

Dracos

- Diandra´s Prog Valentine was trine John´s Draco ASC(1º)/conj John´s Draco Siva/Eros

-John´s Prog Valentine was trine Diandra´s Draco Pallas/Juno

A very interesting thing is that it happens the same in progressions: if i use the coordinates of the exact place,it gives my Prog ASC conj Johny´s Prog Sun(exact)/conj his Venus/Saturn also!
And those reinforces my transit of that day of Tr Sun conj my NN

posted February 28, 2008 11:34 AM              

I definitely agree with you. Oppositions ARE very important, and I would definitely add DC and IC to the list.

But even oppositions between planets point to a very meaningful connection between people. Actually, it`s THE relationship-aspect, since it is an aspect of polarity and complimentary energies, and polarity is one strong indicator for attraction I believe.

Diandra,

posted February 28, 2008 12:02 PM              

"BTW howz the synastry with the current guy"
Well, there is no current guy, there is only this musical actor, A, which has been haunting me for so long and who has so often "almost" touched my life. So many "Almosts" made me curious, especially since he has been familiar to me since I saw him for the first time.
He`s certainly not in the category of potential romantic soulmates, but I kinda feel, that there is some sort of connection, spiritual connection maybe. Don`t know. But the feeling is strong.
And no, I don´t feel this way about EVERYONE. This definitely feels different than my normal "infatuations".

Checking the synastry I see:

Rule 1:

It doesn`t really apply.

Well, my ASC is conjunct his Isis (but Isis is not part of the list).

My DC trines his dr Saturn
my ASC trines his dr Pluto
my dr ASC trines his dr Venus

But the question is: do we include the Draconics?
Probably we won`t at this point of the analysis.

Also, his ASC is known, it is Aries, and after doing a rectification of his chart, I am pretty sure about the degree of his ASC, since this degree reacts very clearly to Transits and progressions.

BUT of course I cannot be absolutely certain. However, there are only a few degrees in Aries, who don`t trigger important placements in my chart:

0° - 4° Aries: trine my Amor
5°-9°: trine my ASC
8°-12° trine my NN
14°-18°: DSC trine my Karma
15°-19°: DSC trine my Moon
24° - 28°: ASC trine my Sun

So, the chances are pretty high, that he hits some of these planets / points.

However, for now the rule 1 isn`t really fulfilled, which makes some sense, since there is nothing "romantic" there.

Rule 2:
my Sun trine his Moon (2°38)
my Mars trine his Karma
my Mars conjunct his Amor
my Pluto conjunct his Mars
my Amor trine his Karma
my Amor conjunct his Amor

I included Amor in that list, too, because I don`t understand why Amor is part of list 1, but not list 2. *confused*

I also looked at the Draconics here (within 2°):
my Sun trine his dr Mars
my dr Sun conjunct his Valentine
my dr Sun opposite his dr Amor
his dr Sun trine my Saturn
his dr Sun trine my dr Valentine
my Moon trine his dr Karma
my Moon trine his dr Amor
my dr Moon trine his Mars
my dr Moon trine his dr Saturn
his Moon conjunct my dr Venus
my dr Venus trine his dr Mars
his dr Venus conjunct my Valentine
his dr Venus trine my dr Mars
my Mars trine his dr Pluto
my dr Mars conjunct his Saturn
his Saturn conjunct my dr Amor
his dr SAturn trine my Pluto
his dr Saturn trine my dr Karma
his Pluto opposite my dr Amor
my Karma conjunct his dr Karma
my Karma trine his dr Amor

Regarding the aspects in the Draconics.
I think that conjunctions and oppositions are the best pointers to soulmates or to the "ongoing soulcontract" - they deserve the most attention.
Conjunctions may point to the "karmic business" that will be in the centre in THIS life, whereas oppositions may indicate a karmic tie from a past life (because they are like a conjunction with the SN - since the Draconics are the nodal chart).

I wouldn`t leave out the trines, though, because even though they may not point to soulmates or the ones we HAVE to deal with in this life, they could indicate a certain affinity between two souls, whereas squares could point to problematic areas from past lives which reach into the present life. They don`t change.
I mean if you make a Draconic with the NN, and then one with the SN, conjunctions will become oppositions, but squares will stay the same.

Also, thinking about what Glaucus said about the other planet`s nodes, maybe it would be interesting to make a nodal chart with the Venus and Juno-node, too?

Hm, those are just my ideas. What do you think of them? Am I totally off here?

posted February 28, 2008 12:11 PM              

I wouldn`t say oppositions are "bad".
Yes, they can be challenging, they also can be very passionate, it always depends on the planets involved.

For example:
Sun opposite Moon
or
Venus opposite Mars
or
Sun opposite Venus

can be a source of very exciting and stimulating attraction.

But
Sun opposite Saturn would be very challenging, I guess.

But in any case the conjunctions and trines provide an attraction that is much more "smooth" than the oppositions.
Also, trines and conjunctions are a sign of compatibility, I am not so sure about oppositions in that regard.
Maybe in the case of the opposition between yin and yang planets.