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neptune5
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posted February 14, 2007 03:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
how do you calculate dark moon lilith in the chart? is there a number i'm supposed to know? i can't seem to find it.


oh and i found my asteroid lilith, i have:

Lilith in Aquarius - 10'06 in the 5th house

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Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22

"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis

"Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran

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OzMeg222
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posted February 14, 2007 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OzMeg222     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its on astro.com somewhere strange in the ephemeris, think it has its own one but can't really remember.

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Dove
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posted February 14, 2007 03:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Edit sorry lol
I believe Dark Moon Lilith is h58

I'm not 100% sure so I'll look into it more...

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posted February 14, 2007 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jupitersgirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm curious, what does dark moon lilith symbolize?

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Dove
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posted February 14, 2007 04:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Dark Moon, Black Moon or Lilith, this hypothetical point in astrology is known by several names. Some argue that the Dark Moon is one thing, Black Moon another and Lilith yet another. The reality is that there is an asteroid named Lilith, but it is not the same as the Dark or Black Moon. However, when used as a point in a birthchart, all three names appear valid as they all seem to describe the same thing.

This point arises due to the Moon's path around the ecliptic forming an axis of the perigee when the moon's orbit is closest to the earth and the apogee when its orbit is furthest from the earth. It is an empty area, a void created, an empty focus. Moving at about 40 degrees a year, the perigee is from where the path of the Dark Moon is calculated. It takes a little under nine years for it to complete its course.

In astrology, the Dark Moon is representative of the darker side of our nature, the negative side. It is the hidden depths that we know exist yet we prefer not to acknowledge. It is subtle on the surface, yet profound beneath. It is the foundations of our personality and the shocking truth that we often deny and project onto others instead. The refusal to see what is really within ourselves. The subtle refusal to see what part we may have played in some unpleasant drama of our lives, how we ourselves have manifested our fears. It is the kind of thing that we intrinsically know we have to deal with, confront the darker side in order to progress unhindered, yet most often we try to ignore. It is the deeper truth that we are forever in search of within ourselves. Probably the best use we can make of the dark moon is to explore our hidden depths, realise that we all have that darker side and go within to resolve that which ultimately hinders us.

The Dark Moon is representative of the negative traits of guilt, shame, hatred, envy, and vengefulness, often brought about by personal wounds and hurts. The true dark side of things we try to hide.

There is another side of the Dark Moon astrologically. Carl G Jung, the famous psychoanalyst described something that he called the "anima". The anima is a man's image of the ideal woman and also the feminine side of his personality. For a woman it is the image of the ideal man and the masculine side of her personality. So the dark moon in a birthchart will represent these ideals too.

It is also representative of the enchantress or the seducer, one who lures another by use of sexuality or devious means. The kind who tempts another by implying that the grass is greener on the other side, that they can "rescue" someone, but it is in reality for their own selfish gain.

The Dark Moon, Lilith, also has associations with motherhood, like her counterpart the Moon. With Lilith however, the instinctive nurturing is replaced by a strong protection of her offspring to the point that she would kill if necessary any that threatened them or caused them harm. She is also reactive against the ties involved with motherhood and the emptiness that mothers sometimes feel by isolation and the perceived lack of individuality that accompanies it.

These things do not only apply to women, they apply to men as well, as the Black Moon is also their feminine side.

Keywords: danger, darkness, deceit, destruction, devious, devouring, dreams, emptiness, enchantress, envy, fears, guilt, hatred, imagination, isolation, jealousy, magic, marriage-wrecker, mystery, night, poison, secrets, seduction, shame, the "other woman" who thinks a man needs rescuing from the "chains" of his partner, vengefulness

The manner in which the Dark Moon plays out will be of the character of the sign in which it is posited and with over tones of the ruling planet of that sign. For example, if your Dark Moon is in Aries, it will act in the manner of Aries with over tones of Mars.


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posted February 14, 2007 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jupitersgirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By the way I guess it's h13...
Thanks once again Dove ...You've helped me a lot here...

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posted February 14, 2007 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
h13 is true BML

There are 2 Black Moon Liliths: one is mean BML (Lilith on additional objects list in astro.com) the other is true BML (h13 Osculating Lunar Apogee on the list of "hypothetical" planets )

asteroid Lilith (#1181on the list of named asteroids)

and Dark Moon Lilith (h58 Waldemath Black Moon on the list of "hypothetical" planets)

In my opinion, BML represents the subconscious part of our mind or the Unknown, its a hightly individual point in the chart , it is something that makes us different from others. BML also represents our anima/animus figure which is very interesting when it comes to synastry charts comparison. A relationship under the influence of BML may grow into a dangerous liaison, into a painful, intense, obsessive or strange love affair.

Which of them to use true or mean? The true is the more accurate placement but an ephemeris for it has only been available for about 10 years so not as much work has been done using it.
From my personal experience, I can say mean BML does work and manifests itself in transits and synastry quite noticeably! As for true BML I haven't worked with it yet.

Asteroid Lilith indicates where a person does not fit the cultural stereotype, leading to some kind of exile from the community, where we struggle with social judgments. In synastry, it can provoke confrontations with gender role stereotypes or a non-submissive disposition with regard to gender roles, personal independence and the use of sex as a weapon of vengeance or domination or maybe even lack of sexual commitment.

As for Dark Moon Lilith, it's a debated dark shadow around the Earth. Some think it is a ball of space dust, which would explain why it doesn't reflect the Sun as other Moons do. According to Delphine Jay,the effect of Dark Moon Lilith is distinctly impersonal.
I have never used DML.

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posted February 14, 2007 04:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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i finally found out how you can figure where your DML (dark moon lilith) is. first off let me paste this from sue simmons' site:

4. DARK MOON LILITH

This is a "second moon" to the Earth. It is a non-reflective body (hence the name Dark Moon) that orbits the Earth about every 119 days. It was first sighted in the 1600's. Some people don't believe the Dark Moon is a planetary body because the orbit is too regular. It could be some type of equipment, but since it was first sighted in
the 1600's, it is nothing modern. Some people think it is a ball of space dust, which would explain why it doesn't reflect the Sun as
other Moons do. For this reason a lot of astrologers will not use it. But if it works in the chart and it is not a planetary body,
then that means that all kinds of space debris could have some influence. Every once in a while someone on the internet comes up
with the thought that the Dark Moon could actually be the asteroid Cruithne but it isn't. Their orbits are vastly different.

The glyph is a circle or zero with a diagonal line like a forward slash,cutting through it. In writing use Dark Moon Lilith at first,
then Dark Moon or DML to avoid confusion.

Dr. Georges Waldemath, a German astronomer, was the first to document it in 1898. The astrologer Sepharial compiled an ephemeris using his data, whichDelphine Jay, Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson and Mae Wilson-Ludlum
all used fortheir Lilith ephemerides. Sepharial's calculations differ slightly from the original Waldemath calculations. Solar
Fire, one of the few programs to include Dark Moon Lilith uses the original Waldemath calculations and has previously agreed with the Swiss Ephemeris calculations. However, the Swiss Ephemeris has changed their calculation so that it no longer matches Solar Fire. I asked Solar Fire mfgrs. which version is correct. Graham Dawson, programmer for Solar Fire said, "I now believe that the data used by the Swiss Ephemeris calculation of Waldemath's Dark Moon is probably a more accurate representation of what Waldemath actually intended than what is currently used in Solar Fire.... I originally supplied
Dieter Kock (a Swiss Ephemeris author) with my copy of Waldemath's original tabulations. After some discussion with Dieter, I agreed
with him that his own interpretation (which differed slightly from the one I included in Solar Fire) was a better one."


now for the good part: it turns out you can find your DML (or dark moon lilith, NOT to be confused with true BML or mean BML) using astro.com --

just go to the extended chart selection and under the asteroids panel type in "h58". that's it! if you click on the list of hypothetical planets you will see it there, listed as "Waldemath's Black Moon" or something like that.


there you have it! you CAN figure all the liliths using astro.com!

-chrissy



h13 Oscillating Black Moon Lilith
h58 Dark Moon Lilith (Waldeman)
1181 Asteroid Lilith
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/007939-2.html

http://erosastrology.proboards26.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=genera l&thread=1130181003&page=2

http://www.mountainastrologer.com/hunter.html


His name is either spelled Waldemath or Waltemath and I am now 100% sure that h58 is indeed DML.


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Dark Moon Lilith

Some say there is a second Moon circling Earth, a mysterious dark moon that is only seen on rare dates when it is opposite the Sun or when its shadowy silhouette crosses in front of the Sun. Although its existence has not been verified, those astronomers who claim to have viewed it say it is one-fourth the size of our familiar Moon and three times as far away.(7) It takes 119 days to orbit Earth, about ten days per sign. This is Dark Moon Lilith. Supposedly sighted as long ago as 1618, this body came to broader attention through the work of astrologer Sepharial in 1918, and more recently through the writings of Delphine Jay, who also published an ephemeris for the Dark Moon Lilith.(8)

Like a dust cloud, Dark Moon Lilith absorbs the light into itself, a very different process from that of our Sun-reflecting Moon. Whereas the reflective Moon represents personal, subjective feelings, the Dark Moon represents a primal, impersonal, creative instinct that seeks identification apart from the physical and emotional realms.

According to Delphine Jay's research, the effect of Dark Moon Lilith is distinctly impersonal. When her expression is self-centered, she can be quite negative; when the emotional content is directed to higher centers, she enhances creative, mental, aesthetic, and even spiritual expression. "Lilith strictly symbolizes the objective thinking approach. Anything else is unsuccessful."(9) The Dark Moon position is where we must grow beyond our habitual patterns of our early Moon conditioning in order to remember the ancient exaltation of our true spiritual parentage.


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and then the lord said let there be crazy people, and he saw that it was.......oh crap..........this is not good.........ummmm...cough,cough I didn't do this.. ummmm Luna whats wrong with you, why'd you make these people crazy
Luna: WHAT?!? your not going to pin this on me!
God: cough cough and then the lord dubbed the crazy people Lunatics
Luna: WHAT?!?!!!! don't name them after me!
Luna: and why are you talking about yourself in the third person
God: God can do what ever he wants to do, Muahahahahah
Luna: I hate you....sigh...I'm never going to live this down

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Dove
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posted February 14, 2007 04:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL
my black moon lilith is conjunct my venus in the 8th house

my asteroid lilith is in my 4th house conjunct my uranus

and my dark moon lilith is in my 1st house! at 18* degrees, making a very wide orb (almost)conjunction of 11* degrees to my AC


and this is funny too, my h56 Selena/White Moon is conjunct my pluto 1* orb
even my good moon is bad lol

white moon/pluto conjunction is in opposition to my black moon lilith/venus conjunction... wonder what that means?

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posted February 14, 2007 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Selena or White Moon is our Universal Mind something that makes us all very much alike. It is also can be interpreted as our Super Ego while BML represents our Shadow.

BML opp Selena? seems like you cannot reconcile your deepest urges with your ideals or what you feel you are and what you think you should be...does it make any sense to you Dove?

added* oh you also have Pluto conj WM and Venus conj BML! very powerful indeed!

I wonder if you have anything at WM/Pluto and Venus/BML midpoint there?

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posted February 14, 2007 07:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did a quickie, I'll have to come back later and figure out what it all means. You all offer up some great stuff, I love that I'm always finding something new here

BML-in the 8th house Gemini 28'14"
Lilith in the 8th house Taurus 6'45"
Selena is in the 9th house Gemini 35'14"

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Sun: Libra
Asc: Libra
Moon: Capricorn
Merc: Scorpio
Venus: Scorpio
Mars: Virgo

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posted February 14, 2007 08:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My BML completes a cross. It's in exact opp to my Moon. So it's Moon/AC, Sun/MC, Lilith/DC, Saturn/Pluto/IC). Oooh.

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posted February 15, 2007 01:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It is the antipode of Black Moon Lilith (not in the mathematical sense though);

White Moon is your guardian angel or support from your higher self in difficult/dangerous situations. (the house placement will specify in what area);

The sign of White Moon will determine the best (from the karmic point of view) qualities you possess.


what would the white moon in scorpio conjunct pluto mean then, like what qualities would it give me?

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BML opp Selena? seems like you cannot reconcile your deepest urges with your ideals or what you feel you are and what you think you should be...does it make any sense to you Dove?

ummmm hmmmmmmm I'm not sure...lol...thank though!

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posted February 15, 2007 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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what would the white moon in scorpio conjunct pluto mean then, like what qualities would it give me?

It would give you the scorpio qualities at their best: determination, diligence, charm, refinement, amazing intuition and a sense of purpose, you are much more stronger than you might ever think and you also have natural immunity/protection against the evil eye.

The problem is White Moon is often in a 'sleepy' or lethargic condition if I may say so; you have to work real hard to wake it up however I have met people with 'naturally' active white moon in their charts.

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posted February 15, 2007 04:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the only aspects i have to my true BML are:

mercury conjunct true BML

and chiron quincunx true BML

its also interesting to note that i have asteroid lilith quincunx my AC (do any of you guys see that in me?)

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Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22

"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis

"Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran

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posted February 15, 2007 04:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Waldemath!

i have Waldemath Black moon square my AC, (happens to be my 7th square to my AC) and conjunct my Midheaven, what would WBM mean conjunct the MC??

MC in Gemini at 2'41
Waldemathe Black Moon at 4'40
Waldemath BM conjunct Mars by 2 degrees (mars sits at 6'03
(including a venus opposition to waldmath)

my selena on the other hand:

Venus Trine White Moon
Jupiter conjunct White Moon
Pluto square White Moon

White moon sits at 14'12 in leo in my 12th house.

would LOVE interpretations for those aspects and positions (especially the waldmath conjunct the MC)

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Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22

"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis

"Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran

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posted November 26, 2010 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joyrjw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Here's something interesting that I found.
http://www.mountainastrologer.com/standards/editor's%20choice/articles/lilith_hunter/lilith.html

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The Dark Goddess Lilith
by M. Kelley Hunter
A female tiger. She is magnificent, powerful. We treat her with respect, awe. She can hurt, but we are allowed to stroke her. She is surrounded by a round enclosure, trapped. A number of male cats come in and rape her. She is covered in blood after the second attack. After, she is left encaged, her heart destroyed. Anyone who approaches her is met by a terrible, hateful, warning snarl. She is dangerous, ferocious, destructive, defensive. Why is one of such a royal upbringing led to this fate?


Thus Lilith entered my dreams. One of the dark goddesses, like Persephone, Hecate, and Kali, Lilith expresses the feminine power of the divine, creative life force. If we follow the mythological trail of these dark goddesses back in time to find the source of their darkness and negativity, we discover not only the possibility of a major shift in the collective human image of the feminine, but also some deep undercurrent of unease that needs to be acknowledged and healed in our personal lives.

Lilith first appeared in Sumerian mythology about 5,000 years ago. As "handmaid" to the Goddess Inanna, Queen of Heaven, she would gather men in from the fields for the sacred rites. In another Sumerian story, Lilith lives in the sacred huluppu tree that Inanna has planted in her holy garden, accompanied by the snake who cannot be charmed and the wild Anzu-bird and her young. These creatures are part of Lilith's untamed nature and have knowledge to give Inanna, who is not yet ready to accept it. So Inanna calls in her brother, Gilgamesh, to cut down the tree. The serpent is killed, the Anzu-bird and its family fly off to the mountains, and Lilith departs for the wilderness.(1)

This story may be the foundation of the most well-known Hebrew myth of Lilith as the first wife of Adam. According to one version of the story, Yahweh creates both Adam and Lilith from earth, but with one important difference: he uses impure sediments to create Lilith, whereas Adam has been fashioned from pure dust. Because of this, Adam expects Lilith to be submissive to him, but, claiming equality, she will not be put beneath him and flies away to lifelong exile near the Red Sea, where she mates with evil spirits and bears scores of demonic children. Meanwhile, Yahweh again tries to create a partner for Adam, this time taking one of his ribs and turning it into Eve - now she is a creation from Adam and not one in her own right, like Lilith. Myth has it that the jealousy and rage generated by Adam's rejection motivate Lilith to come in the night for her revenge, strangling babies and giving men wet dreams to sap their strength. Amulets were worn to ward her off.(2)

Another figure in Hebrew mythology is the Shekinah, God's Beloved, known as Sophia in Gnostic Christianity. She is the Wisdom principle, a feminine aspect of divinity.(3) Later Christians came to call her the Holy Ghost. I see Lilith as the "lower" Shekinah, the root of the tree that seeks sustenance in the soil, while Sophia is the sky-reaching branches and fruits. As the Judeo-Christian religions elevated the masculine aspect of divinity, they de-spiritualized material, sensual reality. The "lower" Shekinah became unclean, unholy. The Hebrews had infiltrated the Sumerian and Babylonian lands, where they became familiar with the Venusian goddesses Inanna and Astarte. These goddesses were celebrated as embodiments of love in a sacred marriage ritual between their priestesses and kings. In these cultures, as well as the Celtic culture, it was the goddess who gave the king his power through her love and special favors, but the cultural transition to masculine gods made these love rites blasphemous. However, the sacred marriage comes down to us even in the Bible, as Solomon's Song of Songs.(4)

This Biblical material was incorporated into a play created by Vermont's Dragon Dance Theater, which is based on the Sumerian myth of Inanna. I played Lilith, creating a character to give voice to my dream and to the pain of the female vital life force betrayed and suppressed, now to be acknowledged and redeemed. I blended material from my dreams, the Biblical Song of Songs, the Gnostic Gospels, and other sources. From this work I learned that Lilith is the Tree of Life, offering true wisdom rather than ego-fed knowledge. She may offer direct experience of wisdom if we can flow with her beyond our fears from the past, beyond our fear of the unknown, beyond even our fear of death.

Working with this Dragon Dance material for eight months was a profound experience that illuminated other facets of my life and relationships, luring me into deeper aspects of my unknown self. This creative work provided a way to process an inner and outer transformation that brought the recognition of some darker emotions, as well as more authentic action from my personal center, a more full expression of sexuality, and the clarification of appropriate levels of intimacy in relationships. It became clear that Lilith challenges both women and men to connect with their instinctive passion for life, for this natural force turns destructive when it is denied, unfulfilled, caged, or exiled. I still give voice to Lilith in the form of a dramatic monologue. The intriguing circumstances that occur whenever I present this piece continue to open me to her timeless mysteries.

The Three Liliths

Astrologically, there are three Liliths and you need three different ephemerides to find them. She doesn't make it easy. These include the Asteroid Lilith, found orbiting in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter; the controversial Dark Moon Lilith, said to be the Earth's second Moon by those who have claimed to see it over the last four centuries; and Black Moon Lilith, an abstract, geometrical point in space (see diagram *).

Asteroid Lilith

Asteroid #1181 bears Lilith's name and orbits around the Sun approximately every four years. I think of the female-named asteroids as aspects of the Great Goddess, and Lilith is one of the most ancient. The asteroid seems to represent split-off, demonized aspects of the feminine, the result of long-standing cultural projections that perceive feminine roles and attributes as shameful, untrustworthy, and dangerous. Our personal Lilith placement may show where we struggle with social judgments that define how the feminine qualities should be expressed in order to "fit in." These cultural projections define us, but are not us. Here we may not be seen clearly. A prominent Asteroid Lilith in the birth chart may indicate a person who does not fit the cultural stereoty pe, leading to some kind of exile from the community.

One woman with the asteroid on her Ascendant has a dark, gloomy visage and her straggly hair adds an unkempt look. She does not speak much and is uncomfortable in social situations. She lives simply in the country and works best in the outdoors. This woman could not and would not conform to social expectations.

The symbol for Asteroid Lilith is a stylized hand that signals warning, greeting, or blessing.(5) Perhaps it is how we approach her that will determine what this hand gesture means. In the classic book, Asteroid Goddesses, Lilith is described as signifying resentment and inner rage; she sets herself apart, flies into exile. She is fiercely independent. She refuses to submit to the assumed authority of another or to compromise her beliefs. Lilith asks us to deal with confrontation and issues of equality in relationship. Her asteroid ephemeris can also be found in this book.(6)

Dark Moon Lilith

Some say there is a second Moon circling Earth, a mysterious dark moon that is only seen on rare dates when it is opposite the Sun or when its shadowy silhouette crosses in front of the Sun. Although its existence has not been verified, those astronomers who claim to have viewed it say it is one-fourth the size of our familiar Moon and three times as far away.(7) It takes 119 days to orbit Earth, about ten days per sign. This is Dark Moon Lilith. Supposedly sighted as long ago as 1618, this body came to broader attention through the work of astrologer Sepharial in 1918, and more recently through the writings of Delphine Jay, who also published an ephemeris for the Dark Moon Lilith.(8)

Like a dust cloud, Dark Moon Lilith absorbs the light into itself, a very different process from that of our Sun-reflecting Moon. Whereas the reflective Moon represents personal, subjective feelings, the Dark Moon represents a primal, impersonal, creative instinct that seeks identification apart from the physical and emotional realms.

According to Delphine Jay's research, the effect of Dark Moon Lilith is distinctly impersonal. When her expression is self-centered, she can be quite negative; when the emotional content is directed to higher centers, she enhances creative, mental, aesthetic, and even spiritual expression. "Lilith strictly symbolizes the objective thinking approach. Anything else is unsuccessful."(9) The Dark Moon position is where we must grow beyond our habitual patterns of our early Moon conditioning in order to remember the ancient exaltation of our true spiritual parentage.

Black Moon Lilith

Perhaps the most subtle and intriguing of the three Liliths, Black Moon is not a physical body but an abstract, geometrical point, like the Ascendant or the Vertex. Because the Moon's path around the Earth is elliptical, as opposed to circular, it has two foci, or centers, the Earth being one and Black Moon Lilith the other. We can also describe this point as the apogee of the Moon's orbit - the place where it is farthest from Earth.

The center of gravity between the Earth and Moon is inside the Earth. As part of the Earth-Moon system, Black Moon is a point or energetic vortex intimately bound to the center of the Earth. Within this context, Lilith is a twin to the core energy of the Earth, the deep heart of fire that feeds and sustains our bodies and the body of the Earth. The creative vitality of the Sun gives life to the Earth and fuels this central core fire.

As a centerpoint of the Moon's orbit, Black Moon Lilith works in relationship with the Earth-Moon system and with the Sun. As a second center of reference, she gives a sense of rhythm to the Earth, taking the dynamics of relationship beyond the personal Moon-Venus energies into more subtle dimensions that are essential to our lives. For this reason Black Moon Lilith has a strong impact on relationship dynamics. Representing the closest reach of the Moon to the Sun, she is also a reference point in our personal lives that brings us into relationship with the heart of our Sun-fueled experience on Earth, an emotional intelligence informed by the wisdom of earthy instinct. Since our culture has lost - even rejected, as Lilith was rejected - this kind of natural wisdom, it is more difficult to tap into and trust it. Relationships that carry the Lilith energy are initiatory, soul-to-soul meetings that open into a deeper center where personal and impersonal experience merge. Can we trust this energy that is unraveling our edges, tapping into such a deep well? Can we trust ourselves?

The Black Moon point is where we are lured into our more self-centered illusions for the purpose of purging negative desires, thereby leading us to the deeper truth within our hearts, the longings and yearnings of our souls. She insists that we feel through, let go, and surrender to something essential and transparent in us that is primary - the bedrock beneath the shifting sands, the passion of the soul.

In Unremembered Country, Susan Griffin beautifully articulates the essence of this core energy: "As I go into the Earth, she pierces my heart. As I penetrate further, she unveils me. When I have reached her center, I am weeping openly. I have known her all my life, yet she reveals stories to me, and these stories are revelations, and I am transformed. Each time I go to her I am born like this. Her renewal washes over me endlessly, her wounds caress me; I become aware of all that has come between us, of the noise between us, the blindness, of something sleeping between us. Now my body reaches out to her."(10)

Mean or True?

Like the Moon's nodes, Black Moon Lilith has both Mean and True positions, and the difference between them can be significant, even up to 30 degrees. I understand that most Europeans use the Mean Black Moon. Of course Lilith can be Mean, but I think she is also True. In her True position, she moves very quickly - up to 6¡ per day - and retrogrades often. I will have to do more research before speculating on the meanings of these two positions. Sabian symbols are one way to start. For now, I propose considering a Black Moon corridor, using the section of the zodiac encompassed by the True-Mean section of the chart. For some people Lilith would cover a larger territory, sometimes even expressing through two signs, with transiting planets making a longer passage. Others, with a narrow band of Lilith influence, may have a more focused, intensified experience of her energies.

Triple Goddess Lilith

I find the three Liliths intriguing as a mirror of the triple goddess. Essentially Tantric, Lilith transforms energy to higher octaves. Her impersonal energy opens transparent areas of the mind, not clouded by the weight of collective judgment or the limitations of ego identity. The three aspects vibrate at different frequencies and open channels to clear and spiritualize the emotional body. Dark Moon has the fastest orbital cycle, like clouds passing across the face of the Sun. It represents highly individualized soul desires that are denied satisfaction on a personal level in favor of a higher expression of social and spiritual values. Asteroid Lilith is the most embodied Lilith, and signifies repressed elements, often relating to sexuality, anger, and assertion, that require full, embodied expression. Black Moon is an energy vortex that cuts through the veils of illusion with the sword of truth. Its orbital cycle of eight years and ten months correlates with the Moon's nodal cycles and has a similar karmic impact.

I have been working with all three Liliths in charts to discover how they work together to evoke this deep, dark, mysterious realm of soul. Much work is yet to be done with such new material, but what I have seen so far is quite provocative. Astro-mythologist Demetra George suggests that, although each Lilith contains the entire symbolic meaning of the archetype, each one may also represent different phases of her mythology, in which "the cycle of our Lilith experience is initiated by the asteroid Lilith, developed by the Dark Moon Lilith, and completed by the Black Moon Lilith."(11) I believe this is a good initial approach. Personal life stories will show the intertwining of the three with unique individual coloring.

I've learned a lot from my own experience. I have Asteroid Lilith in Scorpio on my 4th-house cusp. I associate this placement with memories of my mother, a Scorpio, muttering darkly under her breath in the kitchen. It is after cocktail hour and she is cooking while my father calls out instructions from the living room. This inherited, soul-damaging image of the feminine has haunted me in my search for full expression of my feelings and mutual respect in relationships.

I have Dark Moon Lilith in the 4th house, very close to the 5th-house cusp and conjunct Chiron and Sun in Sagittarius. During a New Moon eclipse that fell on this point in my chart, my young son died. The eclipse was conjunct his Sun as well. In earlier times, Lilith was known as a child-killer, her revenge for having had her own children taken away. In the Middle East, amulets were worn to ward off her danger. I had to face and give voice, again and again, to the guilt, emptiness, and release within me that was so deeply stirred by this death. This is when I first began to speak for the Dark Goddess through writing and performance. In another version of her story, Lilith takes children out of this dark, lower world and returns them to the Lord. I came to know my son's death as an initiation, even a gift.

One of my male clients had a fascinating Lilith encounter that helped to transform his experience of life. He has Dark Moon Lilith conjunct an Aries Sun and square Black Moon Lilith, Mars, and Juno in Capricorn. He often confided that he felt emotionally abused by his wife over several years of their marriage. One night he dreamt that a 15-foot scorpion emerged from her vagina, which prompted intensive therapy where he worked through what he called "a murderous rage." Inner visions then revealed the Divine Mother with many faces giving birth to a huge star-like egg. This new and healing female archetype transformed his emotional body, "enabling me to hold the whole," to delight in the "erotic, creative, juicy life force, beyond judgment."

A Fourth Lilith?

On yet another frequency, and to leave you with a tantalizing thought, as Lilith would, I'd like to mention the possibility of a fourth Lilith. The star Algol in the constellation Perseus has a reputation as the most evil star in the sky. Most often envisioned as the Eye or Head of Medusa, Algol was also called Lilith by Hebrew star watchers.(12) Such an Eye perceives "with an objectivity like that of nature itself and our dreams, boring into the soul to find the naked truth, to see reality beneath all its myriad forms and the illusions and defenses it displays."(13) Lilith indeed. All the better to see you with, my dear.


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