posted May 17, 2006 07:14 AM              

She "has a love" (AMOR) for some of his core characteristics/Ego. He "truly loves" (Valentine) her personality, her value systems and her limitations/mental structure.
He is challenged to love her emotions. He will do so because of the 3 positive Valentine aspects.

posted May 17, 2006 08:52 AM              

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Valentine conjunct Pluto means obsessive and passionate love that can even cause wars. Think of Menelaus, Helen and the Trojan War.

Chiron conj Amor means a love that knows how to wound and also how to heal the Soul.

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Wow! That's the aspects for myself and my partner. I am aware of an underlying passion bordering on obsession for him within myself and of course it was my Valentine and my Chiron aspecting his Pluto and Amor. It's so true about the healing quality of the love; it seems we are a great comfort to one another so that's spot on

Thanks again IQ

posted May 17, 2006 10:28 AM              

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Furthermore,from my composite chart these came up:

Lust sextile Neptune
Lust conjunction Pluto
Amor sesquiquadrature Mercury
Valentine opposition Mercury
Valentine opposition Chiron
Ascendant conjunction Amor
Midheaven square Lust
Midheaven trine Valentine

Also Lust and Amor are both in Libra
(29 and 18 degrees each)

and i got no idea what could they mean

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AMOR conjunct Saturn person would love authority, rigidity, structures and long term ambitions

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Would Lust conjunction Pluto mean intense and ultra passionate sex?

Ascendant conjunction Amor in the composite,where the Asc. is in Libra,would mean our love will have the characteristics of the planet?

Lust represents sex in its purest form?

What about the midheavens?

posted May 17, 2006 11:52 AM              

<<So,this in a composite chart would probably show a tendency of the couple towards structure and ambitions?>>
Yes, towards long term ambitions. These are the couples who are happy paying off a 20 year mortgage together and the property booms after the 20th year as reward.

<<Would Lust conjunction Pluto mean intense and ultra passionate sex? >>
Yes and it would also mean you both need extra multivitamins, plenty of water and extra cash for new mattresses.

<<Ascendant conjunction Amor in the composite,where the Asc. is in Libra,would mean our love will have the characteristics of the planet?>>
Yes, it will be very charming and romantic love that needs good luxurious surroundings for perfect blossoming.

<<Lust represents sex in its purest form?>>
Lust represents horniness. Sex in its purest form is when a Man does it just to give his girl physical pleasure whereas he is emotionally thrilled just to be one with her as if they are merging like enveloping spirits than bodies, and the girl feels exactly the same way, and they both know it.

<<What about the midheavens?>>
Think Career. If midheavens square Lust, it means too much sex can negatively impact your careers. Balance. 120 times a year is more than enough, 1200 times will cause ruination.
Midheaven Sq Amor means too much head in the clouds love can interfer with work.

Midheaven sq Valentine would mean a better career will be readily sacrificed for true love should the need arise.

posted May 17, 2006 11:59 AM              

<<what about in a composite where lust, valentine, and amor conjunct? >>
Wow! This would mean that when the couple feel the general energy of love, they would feel like havin sex. Then when they feel true love for each other, they would again express this through sex.

It is better to define loves.
Amor defines the Energy of Love.

Expressing Love means happily giving of yourself to another without expecting anything in return.

Valentine type true love means ready to sacrifice everything even the life for the loved one. The Amor love will appeal to a bad guy to not shoot. The Valentine love would gt in the way of the bullet instantly.
[Add some Aries planet and he would take the bullets, not perish and sock it to the bad guy!]

posted May 17, 2006 12:04 PM              

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Yes and it would also mean you both need extra multivitamins, plenty of water and extra cash for new mattresses

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posted May 17, 2006 12:07 PM              

Amor conjunct Osiris would mean a strong feeling of Love Energy towards a man considered the ideal mate, almost like a divine husband, the man you would pine for eons. A man like me Nah, I aint getting cut into 14 pieces.

Valentine signifies true love, the love that causes marriage even at the cost of lives, love that is sacrifice for each other.

Juno has been throughly studied by experts. I consider it to represent the external qualities in a woman that are appealing enough to a man to make him propose.

Eros, I consider to represent libido and vigor. To put it biologically, for a man it would represent the speed of normal erection when he is with his "Psyche" or "Juno".

I think I wrote about it in different signs some time back?

Eros, Psyche, Juno, Vesta, Lilith et al have been researched by too many astrologers.

Amor, Valentine and Lust, we knowflakes are the pioneers. Professional Astrologers are yet to catch up

posted May 17, 2006 12:18 PM            

you are DEF the pioneer with asteriods, you know soooooo much stuff!

posted May 17, 2006 12:27 PM              

<<does is mean anything if two people have Valentine conjunct Valentine and Amor conjunct Amor in synastry??????? ty for all your help!!!!!!!!>>

If two people have this placement and chance to meet, they will be helplessly in love from first sight and will make the happiest couple possible, even if there are several harsh aspects. The bond of love is stronger than all bad aspects lumped together.

posted May 17, 2006 12:33 PM            

i'm looking at the chart and the woman's eros conjunct's the man's psyche in synastry..i'm gonna see what i can find..lol

posted May 17, 2006 03:06 PM              

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Some guys have all the luck....

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posted May 17, 2006 06:10 PM              

Very great explanation! You make this thread really interesting and very informative.

1. Iqhunk said “Valentine signifies true love, the love that causes marriage even at the cost of lives, love that is sacrifice for each other.” Do you have Velentine aspects with your “love of life” too? I just wonder whether Valentine would associate with "love of life" too.
2. So, do you mean that the level of love is like : Valentine > Amor > Venus?
3. In composite chart, what is the meaning of Mar (Taurus) trine Lust (Capricorn)?
4. How about if in composite chart there are the following aspects?:
Amor conjunct Asc (Pisces) 0 degree orb
Sun quindecile Valentine
Valentine conjunct MC and oppose Saturn
Lust conjunct North Node
While in the synastry chart, there are following aspects:
His Lust conjunct her Valentine (Can I explain the same thing like in composite chart you explained to Taurus80?)
His Valentine conjunct her MC
His Valentine square her Sun and sextile her Moon (0 degree orb)
His Lust trine her Mar square her Venus and square her Pluto
5. Which one is better among “Valentine conjunct Sun double whammies” and “Valentine conjunct Valentine”? Are they the same?

Thanks, Iqhunk

posted May 18, 2006 04:15 AM              

Cupido shoots the arrows of inititaing love. Eros and Cupido are the same being but the Human Consciousness associates cupid with a love initiator and that is the frequency that this Asteroid beams.

His Cupido conjunct Venus means that he can always be spiced up by your charms, hairstyle, smile, batting eyelids, voice, your material values and all other Venus ruled attributes.

posted May 18, 2006 04:43 AM              

Tough one, it means destined to be hurt in love enough to change perception of it completely. The external personality wants to fall in love and also attract hurtful expereinces that wont stop unless conscious personality change and increase of awareness occurs.

Retro Pallas indicates introversion of inner wisdom and retro Vesta indicates an obsessive dedication rarely manifest to the outer world. This person can help heal the wounded lover by dedication but it has to be communicated for mutual happiness else both may remain hurt and unfulfilled.

<<Also, IQ, I wonder if you would give insight, regarding a synastry? I have always included asteroid aspects but, due to lesser information about them being available, it requires more of an intuitive approach when trying to understand their influence... I'm curious to have another perspective, to compare notes. >>

I agree, I too use intuitve approach only because I cannot conduct the statistical research on more than 100 charts right now to confirm the action of every asteroid or centaur or fixed star. I apply the frequency of the Asteroid's name as an energy beam affecting the DNA of the native.

Example:
I have Asteroid Lust conjunct South Node and had I been American or European I would have been worshipped by Gene Simmons himself.
Asteroid Strong is in the first house conjunct Ascendant and I have been obsessed with strength even as a child. I remember trying to lift a 20 pound dumbell when I was 3 and being very upset at not succeeding.

posted May 18, 2006 04:59 AM              

<<1. Do you have Velentine aspects with your “love of life” too? >>

Yes, I discovered Asteroid Valentine serendipitiously when looking at her chart.
(must have been a Lunar Transit on some lovey dovey asteroid)

My Valentine exactly conjuncts her True Node
Her Valentine exactly conjuncts my True Node

<<2. So, do you mean that the level of love is like : Valentine > Amor > Venus? >>

Yes!

<<3. In composite chart, what is the meaning of Mars (Taurus) trine Lust (Capricorn)? >>
This couple will spend hours and hours in bed and it wont be for sleeping.

<<5. Which one is better among “Valentine conjunct Sun double whammies” and “Valentine conjunct Valentine”? Are they the same? >>

I consider Valentine conjunct Sun double whammy to be better because it is rarer and gives a two way bond of love to the inner personalities.

Question 4:

Lust conjunct North Node is something I would prefer in any composite chart.

His Lust conjunct her Valentine means he is sexually aroused by her when she expresses her love for him. It is not exactly like Taurus80's case study.

His Valentine conjunct her MC means he may love her genuinely because of her career. This is a dream placement for an ambitious and career oriented girl.

His Valentine square her Sun is not good, his potential to express true love challenged by her inner personality and her ego.

His Lust trine her Mars is great for sex.

His Lust square her Venus and square her Pluto would cause severe sexual tension, leading to sexual control issues, sado-masochism or even assault-rape if difficult Pluto/Uranus/Mars transits occur on his Lust. I dont like this placement at all, this can be handled only by an evolved soul, not by the common man.