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katatonic
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posted March 16, 2009 12:50 PM
  
i for one do not believe ANYONE deserves to be abused, ESPECIALLY as a child. nor do i believe in accidents. as i said, the fact that there must be a purpose or contract in this situation in NO WAY MEANS IT IS EXCUSABLE or that the victim is at FAULT.IP: Logged |
darkdreamer
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posted March 16, 2009 01:02 PM
Katatonic,after the talk of this afternoon I am pretty sure that we ALL are of the same opinion here. IP: Logged |
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posted March 16, 2009 01:06 PM
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LEXX
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posted March 16, 2009 01:06 PM
Lara quote:
LEXX, this is not personal in any way and i'm not directing my posts at YOU simply discussing which l love to do.
It's brain exercise for me in a perpetually adult-less world of mine.
I am aware of that. quote:
However, l do sense that you have personal issues with the subject matter and therefore it makes anything that l or anyone else say rather like a timed bomb!
Indeed I do...having experienced such horrors, I DO EMPATHIZE and HAVE INTENSE COMPASSION for those who were/are abused in a like manner.
When I was 25 I actually visited the creep who raped me when I was almost 10.
He had raped my cousin about 10 years after he raped me. She had the same name as me. He shot and killed her father.
All his wives finally left him. He is a bitter impotent old man now.
The rapist from when I was 4 has been dead, murdered so I think, long ago.
I also did everything to protect my son. Yet he was also molested, but fortunately not raped.
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Hitler l think is not just about karma. Hitler had a magnetism that is more linked to world karma than individual.
Did you read what I wrote about him at my Getting Off The Karmic Payback Wheel???????????????
It applies quite well to what you said next: quote:
If we talk about the Holocaust, there in itself is a perfect example to case study. The scenario of the Jewish community being murdered in the 40's and now murdering in the 00's is quite remarkable. Karma has done a 360 and having moaned and groaned at their lot for over half a century they are now seemingly cold-heartedly assuming the role of hitler in Gaza.
Yep! Still doing as LORD God of second Genesis and beyond told them to do...... quote:
How do you explain that?
They have not learned and are still doing as they did before. (and these are God's supposed chosen people? Yeah, maybe the evil demiurge of second Genesis, but NOT the true God.)
The Dark Bible
Atrocities (only a few)
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LEXX
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posted March 16, 2009 01:13 PM
Quinnie
You quoted:
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LEXX, DD, PA
Take the rapist who you scorn. Now advance 1 life.
The rapist is now a 12 ur old girl who is raped by her uncle.Do you still pity the rapist/girl?
Do you not see the lesson in that?
Do you not see the karma balance?
Or do you now say that she deserved it?
You then said: quote:
Are you serious!!!?
There is no justification for rape..... no-one deserves it... full stop. You are beginning to lose touch with reality here.
I think most of us here understand about karma but that statement is ridiculous!
I totally agree with you!
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Lexx you did not deserve to be raped at 4.
Hugs to you 
Thank you! I
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oneruledbymars
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posted March 16, 2009 01:15 PM
Sometimes I understand why Atlantis sunk!
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LEXX
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posted March 16, 2009 01:24 PM
oneruledbymars quote:
Well this one has certainly been interesting!
Indeed!
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Quinnie:
Hon I don't think they were trying to saying that in this 3rd dimensional world Lexx at 4 yo deserved to be rape.
It sure came across that way, just as what you say next attempts to say it was "supposed" to happen.....which is saying in my opinion, that you feel I deserved it all.
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Come out of the 3D for a moment and look at life from the standpoint of your Oversoul.
Everything that happens to us good or bad happens to teach us a lesson, and to help move us through our Karmic debts and climb the ladder of soul progression.
You can rest assured that we have done some pretty debauched things in our past lives. So no matter what happens to us in this time of accelerated Karma, we cannot afford to get caught up in deciding whether we deserve it or not. That only traps us in that cycle. We must
take the lesson, learn from it, and most importantly grow from it, and return unconditional love to the perp as well as ourselves so that we can continue on to the next Karmic lesson, and hopefully wrap it all up so that our debts are paid back and we can accomplish the work we came here to do, unfettered.
I had Karmic debts I have [paid for. I am fully aware of them and the whyfors.
However I do not feel the rapes and abuses done to me were anything I needed or was supposed to have to endure to teach me or otherwise.
I see those as random acts of violence and nothing more. I do not buy the oversoul business. At least not anything outside of our bodies and auric fields. And additionally, if one does not remember the karmic debts they accrued in other lives, then the lesson falls flat and proves nothing. quote:
To everyone on great posts!
I have much to learn from you ladies, you absolutely spew divine feminine wisdom!
Thank you, but, LOL! I am no lady, nor feminine.
I am androgyne/intersex/both genders, with a male brain (yes, I have been tested by doctors)
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*hugs* to you Lexx 
Thank you!
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oneruledbymars
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posted March 16, 2009 01:33 PM
Lexx-
Really hon you can read anything you want into that, in the end its just my humble opinion.
But I was molested at 4 years old, as well,, repeatedly.
I nor you nor anybody DESERVES it .
But you and I both are part of a higher plan. And in order to play our part in its unfolding we will face painful situations, there is no way around but through.
Fire refines..
That doesn't mean its your fault or you deserve it, that is besides the point and attaches lower vibration energy to the the situation, and when that happens you cannot release it and vibrate to the Energy that transmutes it, and that is exactly what the matrix we were born into is designed to make us do.I am sure if you saw things through your higher self you would know all is as it should be despite the dark things that happens to us. In our lives we exist between to the polarities or light and dark. As far as the feminine divine wisdom goes, if you are a creation of the Divine, which you are you too possess feminine divine wisdom, and I, having had to learn to intergrate its energy in my life this time around the healthy way, learn from you as well.
And for that I am thankful, that your energy is shared with my Merkaba.
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LEXX
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posted March 16, 2009 02:12 PM
Matrix...exactly....we have been interfered with. The plan was not for our good but to control and use us.
So no...I do not believe things go according to what was suppose to be but what the outsiders did to tweak it.I do listen to my meta soul quite intensely.
More than most I know of.
Why you may think I do not, surprises me.
As to balance of feminine and masculine...in some ways I am quite literally a ying yang, both physically and mentally, and by social conditioning. As for negative energy transmuting...
THAT I DO CONTINUOUSLY!
Being disabled and working with many entities, and so forth,
I do that automatically.
It is an instinct I have always had.
If I did not, I would have died or committed suicide long ago. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted March 16, 2009 02:14 PM
DD,yes l think that i'm probably 21' aquarius
sextiles my moon/venus too. As for you being placidus or equal.. hmmm I would say your moon in in 2nd just because l don't see your venus being in 2nd. You don't seem to be so much about possessions or material stuff. Also l don't really see you expressing yourself on a moon emotional level, more on a balanced, adventurous sag level and Jupiter in 3rd would fit with your ability to use the pisces/jupiter vibe when expressing yourself. You are pretty altruistic which l see as more 3rd than 4th. Also the jupiter square NN is so interesting, seeing as you spend a lot of time expressing in astrology which furthers your past, present and educating or opening you up to your future (8th SN)!
Your journey on here l see as really benefitting all of us with your wisdom and yet l perceive that it benefits you much more and than you have really found a part of yourself you never knew existed through the jupiter in 3rd pisces aspecting neptune (12th linked to pisces in 3rd) and NN... your path.
WOW yeah that really makes sense to me. does it to you?
pluto in 10th fits more too... l don't see you as an intense and plutonic friend. Also your libra MC ties in nicely with your venus in 1st softening off the square. So which is the equal and which the placidus?  Neither of the 19/20 or 20/21 sabians really resonate with me. although l do love rituals and nature together, in element. IP: Logged |
amowls
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posted March 16, 2009 02:26 PM
Lara your ASC would conjunct my Sun IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted March 16, 2009 02:27 PM
Discussing means discussing... it's not directed or personal, it's just discussing.It appears we've all been raped so let's not take it personally, shall we?
I certainly don't and l was raped in front of my children and my husband. Now those children could easily be my children in this lifetime too. Who knows! I don't see it as a HORROR. I see it as an experience and to be honest i welcome experience because it furthers me. whether i'm raped or tortured, attacked or loved... they are all just EXPERIENCES that you have, take from and move on. So l implore everyone stuck in past experiences, to MOVE ON!
It's so unhealthy.
Look at the body. We eat food we digest it, take what we need to further ourselves and then we ELIMINATE it. We can learn so much from just ABC we really don't need to keep turning everything into XYZ!! there is no blame. there is no right or wrong as such, there just IS NOW! the past is a hologram unless you chose to let it hold you down like rope. LEXX, l haven't read getting off the karmic payback wheel but l will once kids are all in bed! :S QUINNIE - no my dear you misunderstood me. I think im one of the few who won't lose touch with reality here lol
If you could only walk back 100 paces and re-read my statement you will see it's not really ridiculous. Don't personalize it. LEXX - i am not going to apologize for my comments because it's not my issue if you can't de-personalise and view from a higher plane due to you still being wrapped up in your experience. Maybe you should look at what you can learn from it? Maybe the lesson is as simple as letting go of your reality totally to the Universe and trusting it so that you may fulfill your destiny. I disagree with the entire paragraph of
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I had Karmic debts I have [paid for. I am fully aware of them and the whyfors.
However I do not feel the rapes and abuses done to me were anything I needed or was supposed to have to endure to teach me or otherwise.
I see those as random acts of violence and nothing more. I do not buy the oversoul business. At least not anything outside of our bodies and auric fields. And additionally, if one does not remember the karmic debts they accrued in other lives, then the lesson falls flat and proves nothing.
sorry but it absolutely contradicts itself!ORBM - YUP! IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted March 16, 2009 02:29 PM
Cool Amowls, thank you. No wonder l always like your posts! Funny how it all intermeshes. IP: Logged |
LEXX
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posted March 16, 2009 02:35 PM
I did not contradict myself but I am not going to list my paid debts here.
No one's business what or how I have paid.
I am very aware of what I "asked" for and what was random. Very aware.
I disagree with this because whilst it is happening it is indeed a horror! quote:
I don't see it as a HORROR. I see it as an experience and to be honest i welcome experience because it furthers me. whether i'm raped or tortured, attacked or loved... they are all just EXPERIENCES that you have, take from and move on. So l implore everyone stuck in past experiences, to MOVE ON!
It's so unhealthy.
I am sure whilst you were being raped IN THAT PAST LIFEyou were not calmly thinking....oh my thank you for this wonderfully uplifting learning experience you are bestowing upon me! Please teach me again, more more!  Move on of course.
But do not trivialize the horrificness and injustice of it either.
I suspect people who do those things, who were also abused, are the ones who did not move on but buried it often inside and then act it out on innocent victims.
Denial is not moving on. Additionally...you were NOT SPEAKING OF BEING RAPED IN THIS LIFETIME!
BIG DIFFERENCE!
Those are not fresh wounds so to speak.
So of course you can be all high and detached!
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It appears we've all been raped so let's not take it personally, shall we?
I certainly don't and l was raped in front of my children and my husband. Now those children could easily be my children in this lifetime too. Who knows!
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Lara
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posted March 16, 2009 02:45 PM
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I disagree with this because whilst it is happening it is indeed a horror!
LEXX, l think you are a wonderful person.. I really do. I think you have immense gifts that you are holding back from their fullest potency.
I am concerned that you are becoming bitter about your experiences and l wish l could take the memory away but please.... it is NOT happening to you NOW. It happenED in the PAST.
The PAST - which is totally irrelevant NOW and it is inappropriate for you to bring the PAST into your NOW. Why won't you let go. You met one of your attackers. How did it make you feel afterwards?
What are you afraid of? Re-living it? you've already lived it. you can't re-live it... impossible. all you can do is remember and release. "in remembering we release" Can you not do a conscious memory of it where you take yourself above your body and watch it and re-programme your mind/heart/soul into a more objective memory so it doesn't poison your life now? do you have physical pains at the moment or recently? I feel that they are linked to this poison you continue to hold within yourself. I'm really overstepping the mark here and l apologize but someone has to be in truth with you and not just say "oh i'm so sorry LEXX, hugs and compassion and all that bollocks" cos it is bollocks.
It's fuelling your memory so you can keep it ALIVE!!!! KILL it LEXX, KILL it.
You have SO much more to give and you are wasting each day by perpetuating the moments over and over and over. I apologize if you are offended by this post - don't be. I am only a mirror.
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Lara
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posted March 16, 2009 02:48 PM
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Additionally...you were NOT SPEAKING OF BEING RAPED IN THIS LIFETIME!
BIG DIFFERENCE!
Those are not fresh wounds so to speak.
No difference actually LEXX. I dreamt it over and over when l was 8/9 years old and l grew up thinking i'd been raped. Therapists would ask me if l had been raped so don't even try to go there. I can see your mind ticking over, trying desperately to ignore your own rapes and deal with them.
REFLECTION is an art and i used to be very good at it so please don't try it on me. IT DOESN'T WORK!!!!!!! For everyone else - i'm not being nasty - i'm just trying to show LEXX her true reality so she can once and for all be FREE of this nightmare she is keeping alive. IP: Logged |
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posted March 16, 2009 03:13 PM
well, what if THIS is all there is. what if past ife memories were bits of movies and overheard conversations and poof...resonation with our spirit and it must have happened to us in a past life. i am not saying i believe, i am not saying i don't, but what i am saying is WHAT if. what if we are born clean without sin of the past. what if we were horrifically abused, what then? i mean we can all beleive anything anything at all, we can be catholic, baptist, wiccan, new age, this is not a religion we are signingup for where we all belive the same things here. What if, what if there is only now, there is no justification for what lexx or otheres endured at the habnds of responsible adults who were supposed to be protecting and caring for the children. i just think our lofty response of forgive and unconditional love is sweet and nice and karma makes it all justifiable is really some way to reconcile these things in your mind. i am probobly goiong to be crucified here, but my thing is this, lexx deserves better from this board or more empathy and comapassion than she found by opening up her darkest most hurt little person and some of the responses of what is to her a support group seems to me like, here is your wound, i see it still hurts, how about a little salt rubbed in it because in a past life you were possibley the aggressor, what if you are wrong. what if there is only now. i know you cant ee me tone and i come off not sweet, but i am not meaning to, i am only saying what if, what if it never will make sense, what if the child that is lexx just needs love and safety and that can be hard to find. whati f horrific things happen and wonderful things happen, and there isno repspect of persons, it just happens? last summer when i saw my abuser i wanted to kick his cain out from him and beat him half to death with it while he laid there and scream, you nasty scuzzy child moslester, burn in hell. but of course i didn't. what if it didn't happen in this lifetime means it didn't happen? why does everyone have to be RIGHT. why does everyone see only one path to enlightenment and that is the one they choose? maybe it just rains on the just and theunjust and there is no real reason. love ultimately is the answer, but man, my heart breaks for lexx, i feel her pain was minimised by your new age enlightened reasons why she deserved it. dam.IP: Logged |
darkdreamer
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posted March 16, 2009 03:14 PM
Lara,wow, your interpretation was really spot on. I would have interpreted it the same way for the same reasons.
So you chose:
Moon in 2nd
Venus in 1st
Jupiter in 3rd
Pluto in 10th
Those are all positions in the Placidian system. That is very interesting. Thanks for doing that.
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LEXX
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posted March 16, 2009 03:17 PM
Oh for crying out loud.
Just because I remember it, just because it was a horror whilst it was happening,
just because I feel intense empathy and compassion for others....
does not mean I am still holding onto it and bitter and all the negative things you accuse me of.
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LEXX, l think you are a wonderful person.. I really do. I think you have immense gifts that you are holding back from their fullest potency.
Thank you. As to my gifts....you have no idea what I have been and am doing with them. But I am not going to divulge it here. I am definitely NOT holding back in the least. You only see a tiny facet of me here. You do not know me.
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I am concerned that you are becoming bitter about your experiences and l wish l could take the memory away but please.... it is NOT happening to you NOW. It happenED in the PAST.
The PAST - which is totally irrelevant NOW and it is inappropriate for you to bring the PAST into your NOW.
I dealt with it all long ago. I am not bitter or bringing it into the now. We were talking about it happening now to other kids/people. So yes, in that case, my memories of it all are relevant. But that does NOT mean I am living in the past!
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Why won't you let go. You met one of your attackers. How did it make you feel afterwards?
What are you afraid of? Re-living it? you've already lived it. you can't re-live it... impossible. all you can do is remember and release.
It felt calming. And I have let it go. But when the issue of it being done to others comes up...I tell it again because I do remember and therefore can honestly empathize and feel compassion for them. quote:
"in remembering we release"Can you not do a conscious memory of it where you take yourself above your body and watch it and re-programme your mind/heart/soul into a more objective memory so it doesn't poison your life now?
Geeeeez lady....I did that long long long ago!
It is in no way poisoning my life now.
Why would it? That is completely stupid. quote:
do you have physical pains at the moment or recently? I feel that they are linked to this poison you continue to hold within yourself.
Oh man...you are so off base it is almost not worth replying to.
Sounds as stupid as a psychiatrist who said I was disabled because my mother abused me and I was faking.
Well the a$$hole had to take it all back in court, because he had NEVER LOOKED at my medical reports, cat scans, x-rays, mris, ultrasounds, nerve biopsise, and more.... showing broken bones, ripped muscles and tendons, and crushed nerves and ,more.....
before making his stupid stereotypical Freudian style "mother" abuse call.
He was found negligent because he had not taken into account my huge file of indisputable medical/physical evidence of the accident, and I did not have to pay him $$$$$$.
That is what you are doing now..going off on me without knowing me, and without all the facts.
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I'm really overstepping the mark here and l apologize but someone has to be in truth with you and not just say "oh i'm so sorry LEXX, hugs and compassion and all that bollocks" cos it is bollocks.
It's fuelling your memory so you can keep it ALIVE!!!!KILL it LEXX, KILL it.
Again...
geeeez!
How freaking dense are you????????
I have dealt with it and let it go for myself and am not looking for pity or trying to keep it alive.
But in talking about it happening to others we must at least remember so we can feel for them.
And why is it so bad to feel sad or pity or compassion for others who have been subjected to such things?
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You have SO much more to give and you are wasting each day by perpetuating the moments over and over and over.
I am not living them over and over.
Geeez!
I only even think about it all when someone talks about such tyhings happening to others and say they asked for it, or it was deserved, or part of a plan....
Otherwise I can go years without it even coming into my thoughts unless it is brought up.
Case and point...I have eaten and had conversation with my second rapist...and it was just regular talk...nothing about rape...just cars and food and movies.
I even sent a sympathy card when someone close to him died.
And a few Xmas cards down through the years.
I feel sorry for him too.
If that is not letting go....then what is.
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I apologize if you are offended by this post - don't be. I am only a mirror.
No you are not....you are not my mirror...turn around lady and look at your reflection...a past life rape you even got confused as being from your current life....
SERIOUSLY DEEP PROBLEMS LETTING GO THERE! quote:
No difference actually LEXX.I dreamt it over and over when l was 8/9 years old and l grew up thinking i'd been raped. Therapists would ask me if l had been raped so don't even try to go there.
WHOA! You have far deeper seriously soul tormenting issues and need to look in your mirror again....you had'have serious letting it go and moving on issues..or had...but I do not know you....so will stop judging.
And bullfinches..you are not sorry about offending me.....
nor am I about offending you, though it is not my intention.
We just do not agree.
So what.
Look in your own mirror.
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sunshine_lion
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posted March 16, 2009 03:19 PM
you are better than me lexx, i think his relatives deserve sypathy cards if he is still breathing.IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted March 16, 2009 03:19 PM
WOW SN in 7th makes SO much sense!!!All your research on 3rd is about the 7th I'm so glad i did ok. I was nervous! IP: Logged |
darkdreamer
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posted March 16, 2009 03:27 PM
Lara,yes, SN in 7th definitely makes sense to me. Add to that that Draco Moon conjuncts DSC EXACT and also the SN, makes also a lot of sense to me (of course it means that all the Draco positions of the Babylonian asteroids, Urania, Psyche, Lilith, Pallas are also in 7th house).
Seems I am carrying a lot of relationship karma around, but with the Stellium in 1st it`s probably time to find my own way. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted March 16, 2009 03:36 PM
Yes, maybe you are see-sawing between the 7th and 1st and the balance will find itself in MC or IC? Not sure it that kind of thing works in astrology but it seems that home/career focus will balance the karma 1st/7th? So interesting really! I'm so happy that l know my AC now... l felt left out haha IP: Logged |
darkdreamer
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posted March 16, 2009 03:39 PM
Regarding the ongoing discussion I`m repeating my point of view (and then I will - hopefully - let go of this topic).1. It`s human to look for explanations and reasons. 2. There is no excuse for rape (or any other kind of violence) and NOONE deserves it. 3. Spiritual concepts and philosophies should not be used as justification of crimes. 4. Of course everyone needs to find a way to deal with such things and eventually move on, but that doesn`t mean to trivialize the gravity of that crime. 5. To move on and maybe even forgive or find a reason why it happened (be it coincidence, fate, whatever), is most important for the "victim". In moving on from that what happened, I give myself release and freedom (even though the emotional scars will always be there). 6. Showing compassion is far more important than ANY theoretical construct or belief.
7. We are all at different places in our spiritual development, and we are exactly where we are supposed to be and have the right to develop in the speed and way and direction that is right for us (I am talking about relatively sane individuals here, which of course is a judgement again).
8. Noone is to judge anyone else`s opinion / belief / perspective.
We are human, so we probably can`t stop that judgement-thing. But at least we can try. 9. We need to learn to disagree without becoming personal. 10. We need to learn to share our experiences without getting patronizing and fall into the "I am enlightened and therefore I can tell you what is right and what is not" - routine.
Everyone needs to learn and grow their own way. Sending peace, compassion and love to all of you.  IP: Logged |
sunshine_lion
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posted March 16, 2009 03:42 PM
very well put dd.
you are one smart cookie.
i wish everyone happiness and peace for now and always.IP: Logged | |
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