posted November 03, 2008 09:09 AM            

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where is wild and uninhibited sex? 8th or 1st?

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That would depend if it's with someone else or by yourself?

posted November 03, 2008 09:10 AM              

The true ruler of 5th House is Pluto, and he has Pluto in 12th, retrograde. Add the Venus retro to this weak sextiling Eros in 11 Aries, and the man will have no mental problem whatsoever in cheating his wife.

His Ceres is in the descendant and he has retro Nessus trine the Moon exact. A misogynic mindset and a lack of nurturing ability can cloud his sexual judgement.
He has had problems with his mom (retro Jupiter, Rudhyar's theory) and there is a fantasy element to his problem and the solution to escape with sex [Jupiter quincunx Neptune, Neptune sextile Mercury.]

Curiously, his Lust is exactly septile [52 degrees] Mercury. There is plenty of 'creative' sex in his head.

posted November 03, 2008 09:19 AM              

About this man: I had to be silent when his wife came (they have four children, have married when she was 16 and he 19 years).
She is very jealous and came few years ago with children to live with him.

I have relocated and they went to the coast. Now I don't know how is going on but I still think that he finds the way to cheat her (with women from abroad - we were both in tourism).

He is AC Libra, ruler Venus in 5th: children and sex (ruler of 8th, Mars in 5th - here is all connected).

Thank you for explanation.

posted November 03, 2008 09:20 AM              

If you cannot wait, try the hours when Moon is exactly at the midpoint of natal Mars-Venus, it will be more fun than normal.

posted November 03, 2008 09:36 AM            

Though obviously it paled quite considerably in philosophical significance when compared to my Godzalan depiction of rolling around in a pile of money and diamonds with my financial advisor.

posted November 03, 2008 09:37 AM              

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Sex comes in different forms, so it should not be restricted to just one house.

H1. self-sex
H2. paid sex (you pay for sex)
H3. cybersex.. also sex in an auto
H4. incestuous sex
H5. date sex
H6. prostitution (you get paid for sex).... also includes bestiality
H7. sex with legal partner
H8. taboo sex
H9. sex education ... also mile-high sex (Hi to Rafe!)
H10. exhibitionist sex (e.g. sex video)
H11. casual sex... also includes group sex
H12. fantasy sex

Did I miss anything? Feel free to add.

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posted November 03, 2008 09:40 AM            

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QUESTION: Where do we put "behind-the-pub-sex"?

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posted November 03, 2008 09:43 AM              

I LOVED your descriptions of the places and ways to have sex, even though that particular one, made me think of Dagobert Duck.

posted November 03, 2008 09:45 AM              

With Equal houses I would be dead now, so I am still here.

I like only Placidus and use it all the time.

About this man: he knows how to enjoy and have a full life.
We say in such a case: he won't be sorry to die!

posted November 03, 2008 10:06 AM              

why would you be dead by equal houses by now?

There is no constellation, that signals certain death; so what makes you think so?

posted November 03, 2008 10:30 AM              

For death?

But even those points would only give a possibility, not a certainty.

posted November 03, 2008 03:43 PM            

I pretty much agree with DD on this one. Fifth house is fun and play around sex, 8th house is a deeper, psychological wanting and an utter desire to be intimate, control of life and death proportions. The orgasm is known as "The Little Death".

In a synastry with a guy that I knew, I had my Mars in his 8th, his Mars in my 5th. I was very flirty, crushy with him. I adored him. The effect of Mars in his 8th was completely different, he was very psychological, seething, jealous and tried to control and consume me in a sexual way.

I am a believer at this stage that Mars rules Aries, Pluto rules Sco (with Mars, just like Pisces is ruled by both Nep and Jup). If you follow IQ's example of Pluto being discovered between the wars, it is a good example that Pluto was discovered after WW1 - we can take that as the official end of WW1 or death of it or past deaths; and before WW2 - the regeneration of the death experience and the next click in the cog from the actions of WW2. These two world wars of course had Mars involved, the fight, but they COMPLETELY transformed the workings of the world. As an example, it changed how Europe operated, ended the last vestiges of continental European royalty, lead to the creation of the UN (presumably from the League of Nations), genocide and concentration camps, mass emigration, refugees which changed the complexion of other societies (eg Australia, South American Countries, Canada, US etc), it led to the start of the Cold War, the advancement of Japan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_hitler

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The political turning point for Hitler came when the Great Depression hit Germany in 1930.

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Wars to this extent with this amount of involvement with so many countries involved never occurred like this before to my knowledge. The effects of this still being felt. This is Pluto. Before it was only Mars in action.

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Re Lust - a prominent Lust asteroid will just make you lusty, not make you sexually prominent like Clinton or Simmons. Trust me, I have Lust conj my Sun/Merc and my track record of scoring or acting this out is not at their levels. I will buy that things go through my head though.

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We will discovere the truth of the mathematical system.

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posted November 04, 2008 02:22 AM              

I owe explanation about me and death: I was wrong about houses. It is not Equal Houses but Vehlow Houses. In that case my Sun would be in 8th house (instead of 7th). Sun in 8th has then square with Mars, ruler of 8th. What that means, I can't explain all, but I wouldn't stay alive in that case (I have tried something bad). So is better, to have Sun in 7th and Venus in 8th house.

Buena

posted May 04, 2015 08:04 AM            

The 8th is about everything beyond our ego controls - everything that overwhelms the structures of the personality at the deepest level.

The grief experienced after the death of a close loved one does this, as do major life crises... so do the chaotic, primal feelings of jealousy, fear, the desire for control etc that can arise when people merge sexually in a way that gets you "hooked" (as opposed to light casual fun, which is the domain of the 5th).

The 8th house follows the 7th, which is the formal contracts we make and the basic desire to form partnerships. When we merge those resources, physically, emotionally, psychologically, spiritually and financially, that's when the primal feelings and attachments are activated.

Another way of understanding it is to look at anyone you've had 8th house synastry with. It's unsettling, often sexual and erotic and gets right under your skin - pulling up primal feelings beyond ego controls. If you've experienced it, you'll recognize the kind of "sex" (or erotic, chaotic energy) associated with the 8th house.

posted May 04, 2015 05:07 PM            

Oh...

Please, allow me to write down a long blah blah blah
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Ok,
I find it... kind of... interesting how "fate" teachs you, or just makes you notice certain things, quite in the right moment.

Well,
I guess the adherence to some beliefs are beyond the word 'extreme'.
And it would be unwise to discuss it, many times I've encountered this dilemma.

There's no point in trying to change a nature that doesn't want to.

I think I've described the 'forever scorned nature' plenty of times.
So, I think it's not necessary to do it again.
It reveals its own nature by itself
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I don't know when exactly... but some years ago, I used to have some doubts about Pluto and its rulership.

I was thinking about Scorpio and the Destruction of energy.
'The release' instead of the 'Increase'.

Pluto increases this very 'special' energy.
Then, why would Pluto rule Scorpio?
Such sign, absolutely weak in matters of low-passions and the Destruction/Release of energy and Will?
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I remember I asked many things in that time.
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Well,
I think that would be pretty difficult to explain, at least for me.

So, that's why I always use numbers

In such times, I thought Pluto should rule Taurus, Leo or Aries.

And why am I saying this?

Well, I'll need some mins

posted May 04, 2015 05:09 PM            

So, here are the numbers.

The principles of Numerology are Universal
It's always useful to teach things with apples and oranges.
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( Kind of interesting to resurrect some of my old thoughts... )

If we write down the word: Pluto.

PLUTO: We get 8+3+6+4+7 = 28 = 10 = 1

and 1 is the Number of the Sun, ruler of Leo.
The Solar Plexus, Creative Process and The increase of Health .
Where ' Sexual energy' is not destroyed by a mere and instinctive 'release'.

But Since the Sun rules Leo only.
I abandoned these thoughts
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Then I thought Pluto should rule Taurus.
Again, with apples and Oranges.

If you write dowm these words:

SEXUALLY HEALTHY = 35561331 + 5513451 = 27 + 24 = 51 = 6
SEXUALLY ALLURING = 35561331 + 13362153 = 27 + 24 = 51 = 6
SEXUALLY STRONG = 35561331 + 342753 = 27 + 24 = 51 = 6

And 6, is the number of Venus.
This is why I thought Pluto should rule Taurus/Libra.
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Finally, I thought Aries should Rule Pluto.
Well,
I don't really have a strong opinion about that.

But in fact, it seems like there's a big possibility to be so, just as iQ said.

Aries is ruled by number 9, and the energy of Pluto should belong to it.
A Good Aries energy doesn't destroy itself in a mere release.

Tantra and the principles of Alchemy, should belong to Aries (9)
Because,

SEXUALLY SACRED = 35561331 + 313254 = 27 + 18 = 9 + 9 = 18 = 9

You can't cheat the numbers.
It's not good to mislead people based in ( I don't know(?) ) fanatism or dogmatic beliefs.
Or to gain confidence, by claiming to you what doesn't belong to you.

posted May 04, 2015 05:19 PM            

My last words about this topic would be... hmmm...

That I find waaayyyy more... "interesting", finding "who" is behind the act of promoting this belief.
Because for me, there has to be a reason why 'someone' would be interested about Pluto ruling Scorpio.

~ Astrology is not as simple as many people may believe it is.

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