posted September 22, 2010 04:46 PM            

She wasn't sweet when she let mortals suffer when she was grieving for her daughter.

Nothing would grow and people were starving.
Therefore, Jupiter/Zeus had Pluto/Hades give back Proserpina/Persephone.

There was a lot more to the myth than being nurturing

I believe that the astronomy has to be taken into account.

In Astrology, the Astronomy and the Mythology are connected

even Peri's post talks about Ceres having to do with life and death cycles.

This would make sense if Ceres actually originated from the Kuiper Belt where Pluto orbits and was once physically connected to Pluto as in Pluto and Ceres were one kuiper belt object in the past.

They have physical similarities in composition.

Ceres is not a typical asteroid.

The myth of Demeter/Ceres-Persephone/Proserpina was a story of a parent needing to let go of her child and let her grow up. She had to move on.

It was an empty nest story

and to explain the origins of the seasons
She was only thinking of her own pain and suffering and let innocent people be in pain and suffering with no food to eat.

The themes of Ceres are very similar to Pluto.

If you read anything about the Asteroid Goddesses by Douglas Bloch and Demetra George, the Plutonian/Scorpion/8th themes of Ceres are clear as day.

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted June 12, 2011 04:29 PM            

I have a question about 2 Ceres aspects in synastry...

his Ceres conjunct my Sun and...
his Ceres exactly square my Ascendant

Can anyone explain how these aspects would play out?

posted September 25, 2011 03:30 AM            

I have been playing around with Ceres as Virgo's ruler, because they seem so similar to me. Ceres seems to manifest as our capacity to provide for others based on what we think they need. It all sounds pretty cold, but think about it again the next time a Venus in Virgo person starts preening you like a monkey.

Virgo and Ceres share the ability to serve with all their being as long as the soil is right, and the seeds are good, and the air is moist, and the sunlight is perfect, etc... The difference is, Virgo is determined to make all the conditions right for nourishing to take place.

In my chart, Ceres is in Sag 8th House. I often feel that if I am not sharing my opinions about the true psychological reason behind why we do what we do, I am not nourishing the people I am communicating with. I had to learn at a very young age that people don't like to be told the truth about why they do stupid stuff. I found that just listening and providing an open space for others to explore their own issues had much better results then, "Have you considered the idea that acting like a jerk would eventually result in nobody being your friend?".

posted September 25, 2011 10:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
I see Ceres as being "self-based nurturing" I actually stopped using the word "nurturing" for Ceres and started referring to the energy as "nourishing". The word nurturing implies a willingness to satisfy even beyond one's own comfort. Nourishing is offered in the spirit of wellbeing.

I have been playing around with Ceres as Virgo's ruler, because they seem so similar to me. Ceres seems to manifest as our capacity to provide for others based on what we think they need. It all sounds pretty cold, but think about it again the next time a Venus in Virgo person starts preening you like a monkey.

Virgo and Ceres share the ability to serve with all their being as long as the soil is right, and the seeds are good, and the air is moist, and the sunlight is perfect, etc... The difference is, Virgo is determined to make all the conditions right for nourishing to take place.

In my chart, Ceres is in Sag 8th House. I often feel that if I am not sharing my opinions about the true psychological reason behind why we do what we do, I am not nourishing the people I am communicating with. I had to learn at a very young age that people don't like to be told the truth about why they do stupid stuff. I found that just listening and providing an open space for others to explore their own issues had much better results then, "Have you considered the idea that acting like a jerk would eventually result in nobody being your friend?".

That seems to be a theme for Virgo as well, "stop trying to do and just let happen".

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That's not psychological though, it's judgmental. Psychological is when you go deeper and try to get to the root cause of whatever is at hand. And of course people aren't going to respond to judgment positively, especially when it's based largely on our own perceptions of situations that may or may not be accurate; remember, we all see things through our own 'lense', so to speak.That person that, to you, appears to just be a jerk, may actually be acting in self-defense and it could be the other people that are the problem.

posted September 25, 2011 01:37 PM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
That's not psychological though, it's judgmental. Psychological is when you go deeper and try to get to the root cause of whatever is at hand. And of course people aren't going to respond to judgment positively, especially when it's based largely on our own perceptions of situations that may or may not be accurate; remember, we all see things through our own 'lense', so to speak.That person that, to you, appears to just be a jerk, may actually be acting in self-defense and it could be the other people that are the problem.

I have Ceres in Virgo (as well as Venus, my Vertex, and most of my planetary midpoints) and I can honestly say that Virgo doesn't really try to *do* anything. That's not our nature, that's Aries. Virgo sits back and assesses. Virgo energy isn't active and assertive; remember, it's mutuable, feminine energy. Receptive.

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The comment about the person being a jerk was tongue in cheek. Having Sun, Neptune, Venus and Ceres in the 8th House and Venus in Scorpio, I am pretty informed on what "psychological" means. I appreciate your assessment however, because it validates the point I was making. Regardless of the intent and extent of the thought put into why we do what we do, people don't enjoy other people reaching into their psyche and discussing their struggles. That is why I now try to listen instead of engage people about transforming their negative habits.

Side Note - There is no need to get into the whole, people are different and perspective about a person's actions are personal observation. It is a topic I am well acquainted with and I accept it as a truth. I would like to ask, why are people equipped with separate perspectives if not to share and explore them? If we were all left to face our paradigm alone, we would have never developed communication (thanks Gemini). There is a difference between judgment and compassionate listening. One is reacting to the needs which arise in the moment and the other is responding.

Having Moon and Saturn in Virgo, Mercury in Capricorn, 6th House cusp ruled by Virgo, and Pluto, Vertex, and NN in 6th House, I am also pretty familiar with how Virgo works. I agree that Virgo is a passive energy, however it's Mercurial (and possibly Cerean) nature is not inactive, but responsive. Virgo is passive until it has something to respond to. It is built that way to be the most efficient at service (responding to the needs of the world). I agree Virgo is in a constant state of receiving, because they are observers. I believe the mutable aspect of their nature then takes that passive observation and says, "this needs to be resolved". That is the reason why low vibration reactionary Virgo is little-miss-fix-it, often nit-picking at people and pointing out their flaws. They are reacting to their observations.

That is what I mean by "stop trying and just let happen". Low vibration Virgo observes and reacts rationally by trying to fix. High vibration Virgo observes and responds intuitively with whatever is needed. That is Virgo's gift, they are a divine channel, they are capable of manifesting the divine as long as their intuition rules and their opinions or need to fix doesn't stand in the way of the process.

Mutable signs are dualistic signs, they struggle to temper contrary forces because they fall at the cusp of each season.

Gemini - Spring into Summer: Conscious vs Unconscious
Virgo - Summer into Autumn: Intuition vs Rationality
Sagittarius - Autumn into Winter: Dharma vs Samsara
Pisces - Winter into Spring: Spiritual vs Material

posted September 25, 2011 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
The comment about the person being a jerk was tongue in cheek. Having Sun, Neptune, Venus and Ceres in the 8th House and Venus in Scorpio, I am pretty informed on what "psychological" means. I appreciate your assessment however, because it validates the point I was making. Regardless of the intent and extent of the thought put into why we do what we do, people don't enjoy other people reaching into their psyche and discussing their struggles. That is why I now try to listen instead of engage people about transforming their negative habits.

Side Note - There is no need to get into the whole, people are different and perspective about a person's actions are personal observation. It is a topic I am well acquainted with and I accept it as a truth. I would like to ask, why are people equipped with separate perspectives if not to share and explore them? If we were all left to face our paradigm alone, we would have never developed communication (thanks Gemini). There is a difference between judgment and compassionate listening. One is reacting to the needs which arise in the moment and the other is responding.

Having Moon and Saturn in Virgo, Mercury in Capricorn, 6th House cusp ruled by Virgo and Pluto and NN in 6th House, I am also pretty familiar with how Virgo works. I agree that Virgo is a passive energy, however it's Mercurial (and possibly Cerean) nature is not inactive, but responsive. Virgo is passive until it has something to respond to. It is built that way to be the most efficient at service (responding to the needs of the world). I agree Virgo is in a constant state of receiving, because they are observers. I believe the mutable aspect of their nature then takes that passive observation and says, "this needs to be resolved". That is the reason why low vibration reactionary Virgo is little-miss-fix-it, often nit-picking at people and pointing out their flaws. They are reacting to their observations.

That is what I mean by "stop trying and just let happen". Low vibration Virgo observes and reacts rationally by trying to fix. High vibration Virgo observes and responds intuitively with whatever is needed. That is Virgo's gift, they are a divine channel, they are capable of manifesting the divine as long as their intuition rules and their opinions or need to fix doesn't stand in the way of the process.

Mutable signs are dualistic signs, they struggle to temper contrary forces because they fall at the cusp of each season.

Gemini - Spring into Summer: Conscious vs Unconscious
Virgo - Summer into Autumn: Intuition vs Rationality
Sagittarius - Autumn into Winter: Dharma vs Samsara
Pisces - Winter into Spring: Spiritual vs Material

I can definitely see you as a Ceres in Virgo person BelliPyg.

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Having a pile-up in the eighth (or Scorpio) doesn't mean every thought that comes into your head and out of your mouth is psychological in nature. Honestly your comments read more like an afflicted Sag placement - self-righteous, judgmental. You DID say your Ceres is in Sag, after all, and your initial comments on this back me up : "I don't give people what they want, but what they NEED", like you're never wrong and everyone else is awful and lost and needs you to guide them. Maybe it's that you sometimes confuse your own personal judgments with being some big great, profound 'truth' and psychological insight and then in typical blunt Sag style, beat them over the head with it, and *that's* why you've gotten the negative responses you have. And again, calling someone a 'jerk' isn't a deep psychological penetration into their 'psyche'.

And yeah - when any of us offer an opinion or judgment - it's never 100 percent impartial and infallible because we all have biases, belief systems and past experiences, etc that we all bring to everything we perceive. So no, no one's take on anything can be considered the final word and absolute truth about someone else. It's also the reason why the saying 'there's his side, her side and the truth' exists in the first place.

I didn't say Virgo energy was inactive; I said it isn't dominant and aggressive, which is true which is why your comments that it was ("let stuff happen") make absolutely no sense. You made it sound like Virgo energy is pushy, leader-type energy when it isn't. Virgo isn't a cardinal sign. It isn't a fire sign either. It doesn't initiate or force anything. Virgo is about serving and helping and will sit back and watch and assess and then perhaps offer guidance and help - out of a sincere desire to help improve whatever it is it's currently focused on. It's actually a very selfless energy which is why I'm always confused at people passing it off as being cold and harsh. Virgo nit-picking is more along the lines of yelling at someone to pay attention, two seconds before they step in front of an oncoming bus, than it is trying to tear people down. Virgo energy is like your mom warning you that drugs are bad when you stumble in late at night smelling like pot. People commonly misunderstand the energy though and look at it as trying to be the Debbie Downer or criticizing to be destructive when the actual motives behind it are as far from that as you can get. Remember, someone who actually cares about you will tell you when you're f**king up, Zero - uh, I mean..."Xiro".

*blank stare*

posted September 25, 2011 02:53 PM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:

Having a pile-up in the eighth (or Scorpio) doesn't mean every thought that comes into your head and out of your mouth is psychological in nature. Honestly your comments read more like an afflicted Sag placement - self-righteous, judgmental. You DID say your Ceres is in Sag, after all, and your initial comments on this back me up : "I don't give people what they want, but what they NEED", like you're never wrong and everyone else is awful and lost and needs you to guide them. Maybe it's that you sometimes confuse your own personal judgments with being some big great, profound 'truth' and psychological insight and then in typical blunt Sag style, beat them over the head with it, and *that's* why you've gotten the negative responses you have. And again, calling someone a 'jerk' isn't a deep psychological penetration into their 'psyche'.

And yeah - when any of us offer an opinion or judgment - it's never 100 percent impartial and infallible because we all have biases, belief systems and past experiences, etc that we all bring to everything we perceive. So no, no one's take on anything can be considered the final word and absolute truth about someone else. It's also the reason why the saying 'there's his side, her side and the truth' exists in the first place.

I didn't say Virgo energy was inactive; I said it isn't dominant and aggressive, which is true which is why your comments that it was ("let stuff happen") make absolutely no sense. You made it sound like Virgo energy is pushy, leader-type energy when it isn't. Virgo isn't a cardinal sign. It isn't a fire sign either. It doesn't initiate or force anything. Virgo is about serving and helping and will sit back and watch and assess and then perhaps offer guidance and help - out of a sincere desire to help improve whatever it is it's currently focused on. It's actually a very selfless energy which is why I'm always confused at people passing it off as being cold and harsh. Virgo nit-picking is more along the lines of yelling at someone to pay attention, two seconds before they step in front of an oncoming bus, than it is trying to tear people down. Virgo energy is like your mom warning you that drugs are bad when you stumble in late at night smelling like pot. People commonly misunderstand the energy though and look at it as trying to be the Debbie Downer or criticizing to be destructive when the actual motives behind it are as far from that as you can get. Remember, someone who actually cares about you will tell you when you're f**king up, Zero - uh, I mean..."Xiro".

*blank stare*

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posted September 25, 2011 05:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
I apologize that I was unable to communicate in a more skillful way. I assure you my intent was not to make anyone feel Judged, nor was it my intent to express Virgo in the way you describe. I will attempt to be more skillful in the future when attempting to communicate my own experiences.

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Nah, I'm pretty sure I understood you just fine and your wording wasn't terribly incoherent. I just don't agree with you. *shrug*