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LILYGIRL
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posted August 18, 2005 07:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Friends,

What is your take in synastry when one person's CERES conjuncts the other's VENUS? (a little less than 2 degrees tight in Aqua/8th House).

I know something about CERES but absolutely nothing about it in aspect with personal planets. Does the Venus person feel nurtured and the CERES person loved? What's the relationship or energy there?

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GemStar
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posted August 18, 2005 07:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are correct!! When you have planets/asteroids in synastry with another person, the energies are stimulated in BOTH directions...The Ceres person's nurturing stimulates the Venus person's love...and vice versa. It is wonderful synastry to have, as long as the Venus person does not take the Ceres person for granted.

As one asteroid expert has stated, having someone's planet/asteroid aspecting your planet/asteroid is like having a constant transit to that point whenever you are around that person.

I posted basic Ceres information for those people who may be unfamiliar with this asteroid:


CERES aspects (conjunction) tend toward Ceres
unconditionally loving and nurturing the other person.
Ceres conjunctions are very helpful in relationship.
Stressful Ceres oppositions tend to thwart the Ceres person
receiving the nurturing and unconditional love they need, a
very bad situation. Ceres is always positive and giving and
a blessing (sort of like Moon-Venus-Jupiter all rolled into
one), and having one's own Ceres stressed or opposed is not
conducive to well-being or relationship longevity.


GemStar

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Lauren
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posted August 19, 2005 02:14 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GemStar, how do you think this would change if it was the person's Mars..in my case it's my Mars, his Ceres..very close 0 deg in my 7th

Would this mean he nurtures my aggressive side? lol I don't really know how to interpret that

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MoonDuchess88
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posted August 19, 2005 08:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would that aspect be like unconditional love? Even w/ the trine.

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GemStar
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posted August 19, 2005 09:14 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mars relates to your romantic desires; lust, if you will. It determines how sexually aggressive you are, and the raw passion, or lack of it, in your nature. Thus, Mars takes on the role of pursuit. This is why the symbol of Mars is also the symbol for the male.

Which house is his Ceres located? What is the sign??

MoonDuchess..which aspect are you referring to...we have two up for grabs....???

GemStar

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MoonDuchess88
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posted August 19, 2005 09:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was refering to venus/ceres aspects (conjunction, trine,sextile). Also what about sun/ceres aspects? *in synastry

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viper
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posted August 19, 2005 09:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay Gem - I've checked mine up and it sits slap bang on top of my Sun in the 12th House??????????

Any ideas?

Does it mean I resemble an asteroid?

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GemStar
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posted August 19, 2005 10:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi everyone...and especially you Vipey!!

Here is a link to learn a bit more about Ceres...the sign it is located in and the house....

http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/Ceres21.1.html


Ceres naturally gives and gives and gives...I personally love the asteroid Ceres...If it is aspecting your partner's Venus, there will be different intensities towards unconditionally loving...conjunction being the strongest.

Personally, my Ceres (0'02 Gem) is located in my Taurus 7th house...conjuncting a Venus, NNode, Sappho, Juno stellium....

It is also conjunct by mere minutes to my love's Venus/Amor/Eros stellium....to say my 'need' to nurture and give to him unconditionally is an understatment...and he responds with abundant love each time I nurture him. It is really cool! Even so....it also sometimes feels a little off balance at times because I tend to unconditionally give and his level of giving is different.

Hope this helps Everyone learn a bit about their Ceres!

And yes, Viper, your Ceres on your Sun will make your ever-giving PIS nature all that more giving...how lucky a gal will be to have you!!

GemStar

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Loggerhead
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posted August 19, 2005 10:14 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about Ceres at the same degree as Jupiter, squaring the Ascendant? (Natal aspects, not synastry)

And in synastry, does it mean all is lost if there are only squares involved with Ceres in both charts?

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GemStar
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posted August 19, 2005 10:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceres Aspects Venus: Oh for a lover with the harmonious aspects (conjunction, sextile, or trine) between Venus and Ceres! The ability to express love and affection and the nurturing nature are in harmony. They can love you and feed you at the same time. These people will tend to be nurtured by beauty and beautiful things, as well as by pleasant social gatherings. The stressful aspects (square and opposition) indicate that what you need to feel happy and your nurturing needs are out of alignment. Perhaps the clothes you were given as a child made you feel ugly. There will tend to be nurturing issues with partners and lovers. With the stressful aspects, you could constantly attract partners and lovers who always seem to require nurturing from you. Conversely, the nurturing you get from them never seems to be right. As always with the stressful aspects, do not look upon this as some terrible fate, but rather as a problem that needs to be solved or as an obstacle that needs to be overcome.


Ceres Aspects the Sun: Nurturing will tend to be part of your character. With the harmonious aspects (conjunction, sextile and trine) the effects are smooth and easy. You probably had a nurturing father, and the nurturing you received was compatible with who you are (the Sun). The stressful aspects (square and opposition) show problems. The opposition could mean that you tend to nurture others, but not yourself. Conversely, it might be an indicator of someone who always expects others to nurture them. The square means that the early nurturing you received (especially from the father) was not compatible with the type of person you are, or that you tend to be suspicious, or even reject the nurturing that you really need. For example, suppose the Sun is in Aries and Ceres is in Cancer. This person needs lots of soft, emotional nurturing, but that is not in accord with the self-sufficient image that Aries has of itself, so the needed nurturing is rejected.

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GemStar
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posted August 19, 2005 10:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceres Aspects Jupiter: Jupiter expands whatever it touches. At least there will tend to be plenty of early nurturing, whether the kid wanted it or not. Even in a poor family, where there is little to go around, this will be the child that gets more of the goodies. The nurturing given will also tend to be excessive. The stressful aspects (square and opposition) could be an indicator of much too much early nurturing, and generally not the kind the child wants or needs (especially with the square). For instance, if Ceres is in Libra (feeling nurtured by beauty) and Jupiter is making a square from Capricorn, the child could feel suffocated by getting excessive nurturing of the "practical" kind (ugly, but practical clothing for example). As an adult, they could nurture others in the same excessive, uncaring way and never be aware of what they are doing. Jupiter under stress aspects shows where we never listen because we think that (in that area) we "understand" everything already. If the rest of the chart agrees, Ceres/Jupiter aspects could be an indicator of someone who joins (or starts) organizations to fight for the rights of the underdog to be nurtured. If the aspect is a stressful one, they will nurture those poor underdogs whether they want it or not.


Ceres Aspects the Ascendant: If Ceres makes any aspect to your Ascendant, people will come to you for "nurturing" whether you want them to or not. This is especially true of the conjunction. The harmonious aspects (sextile and trine) generally do not cause problems here. Neither do the conjunction and opposition, for that matter. Nurturing can be both given and taken smoothly. The square aspect is the real problem. There will tend to be battles with partners over who is giving and who is getting more nurturing. Remember that an opposition to the Ascendant is a conjunction to the Descendant. Someone with that aspect could make nurturing the centerpiece of their partnerships. On the positive side, that means they just like to nurture partners. On the negative side, it could indicate that are neglecting nurturing themselves, or that they attract partners who drain them.


Loggerhead...my thoughts on that in addition to the above (and I am just amateur) are this: Are you one of those people who keeps 'score' as to who gives what? Always keeping a mental scoreboard and if it becomes too off-balance, do you mention this fact? This would include all relationships: Family members, co-workers, lovers, friends....How do you feel it works in your relations with others?

Probably the best way to handle a square in your case would be to increase your awareness that this is a part of your makeup...and let go of your need to always EXPECT a perfect balance...it is doable...all squares can be worked with within a relationship or yourself...it just takes being AWARE and handling them differently than your instinctual/habitual way of handling things.

GemStar

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Loggerhead
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posted August 19, 2005 11:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, GemStar, you are terrific! You are really on a roll here!

Two things jump out at me: I did get an excessive amount of nurturing from my aunt who took care of me during the day up to the age of six. She kinda spoiled me rotten, she and her husband not having children of their own. My parents really resented this, feeling that it interfered with their own parenting style. Especially my father hated my getting my way all the time, and we really butted heads for my entire growing up years.

So I had a lot of nurturing, but also a lot of rejection, in a way.

As for the score keeping, yeah, I tend to do that, but it's not an in your face kind of thing with me. Let's say I'm aware of the score, but I don't obssess over it.

The squares involve Mercury and Uranus, and Pluto, but this one with a wide orb, and Chiron on the Descendant. Then there is also a sextile with Mars, and a trine with the Moon.

Thanks, GemStar, very illuminating.

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LILYGIRL
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posted August 19, 2005 11:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much for the information GEMSTAR!
And since I posed the original question, I want to say, it is amazing stuff. It goes a nice way in explaining more my attachment ...

My CERES (3rd House)is 26 AQUA and his VENUS is 28 Aqua (8th House). This means my CERES also conjuncts his Eros (29) and his Chiron (29).

His CERES is Aqua 7 in his 7th House. His trines my Mercury and sextiles (if that matters one whit) my MARS.

It looks like Bob Marks gives Aqua CERES a bit of a rough time. What is nice is that both of us have CERES in Aqua so desperate weirdo meet desperate weirdo (laugh). Gotta love it. It's all one great mind dance.

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viper
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posted August 19, 2005 11:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks very much Gem - ha ha, I simply just knew you would be posting directly after me, before


You know, people will start too talk LOL ha ha ha

GIVING - heart and soul bird, heart and soul

XX

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Lauren
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posted August 19, 2005 11:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Gem.. Ceres is in his 1st.. My mars/neptune and his Ceres all conjunct in Capricorn.. except mars/ceres are in the exact same spot so that's an exact conj..neptune's 3 deg away..

I haven't really looked much at asteroids in synastry, are they pretty important?

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geminstone
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posted August 19, 2005 11:43 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice thread! I love seeing more about the asteroids. GemStar, your Ceres conjuncts my Taurus/7th, Gemini Sun!! I wonder, what does Ceres conjunct Psyche and Vertex, in the 8th, give to? Those being in Cancer and Natal, not synastry. In synastry aspects, how would a Saturn conjunct Ceres in 7th/Gemini play out? All insight is, greatly, appreciated.

~ geminstone

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virgolibra69
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posted August 19, 2005 12:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gemstar,

I have Ceres 27 degrees Capricorn conjunct my Descendant, Trine to my Virgo Pluto 25 and Sun 29 degrees. Opposite my Cancer Ascendant and Sextile my Neptune? Any idea what that means!

Thanks

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GemStar
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posted August 19, 2005 12:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey all...I have to run and do not have time to answer each of you at the moment...however...if you are wondering about how to interpret Ceres and the aspects..go to the link I posted above.

First, understand how YOUR Ceres in it's sign in your natal chart works.

Second, look at your house placement where Ceres is located and remember that this influences the strongest way you express Ceres...Ex. 3rd=nurturing communication style, 7th=nurturing others etc....

Third, take the aspects to whichever planet you are studying and read it's interp from the site. Again, note the house where the aspected planet is located in and add that influence into your overall interpretation.

Feel free to grab a pen and paper..list out each of the main influences you find with each aspect. It helps make it clearer for you and will assist you in your interpretations with other planets etc...

In my studies, I have found that asteroids are important and most interestingly, they seem to mirror the SAME influences the bigger planets provide. Although it is a tad difficult to find information that is thorough about asteroids on the internet, the amount of info is improving!!

This is a great exercise for everyone and will help improve your overall abilities to interpret charts..both natal and synastry!!

GemStar

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astro junkie
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posted August 19, 2005 12:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great thread!

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Peri
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posted August 23, 2005 03:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is some more info on Ceres/Venus in natal chart.

Venus and Ceres in Conflict

The ancient myths show Venus in constant conflict with Ceres, symbolizing a disjunction between female exuality-sensuousness (love between adults) and maternity (love between mother and child). In our own lives, this conflict has become unavoidably apparent in the issue of birth control, which essentially allows sex without the reproduction that leads to mothering. It is therefore not surprising to find Venus and Ceres as prominent features in astrological charts drawn for events and people involved in birth control. It is particularly common for such charts to show Venus (female sex/reproduction) and Ceres (mothering) in aspect to Saturn (the planet of control or limitation) and Chiron (the wounded healer).

Reuniting Venus and Ceres

Venus and Ceres epitomize two aspects of the feminine nature that are biologically integrated but that have been deliberately separated on the social level. To accept them as joined implies a concentration of power that threatens the status quo. Consequently, most modern cultures (which are patriarchal) have developed morality structures that promote the distancing of women's sexuality from the civilized ideal of motherhood. Women are "kept in their place" when the power of their love is divided, and they are deprived of biological autonomy through restrictions against birth control.

Life wasn't always like this. There is evidence from earlier cultures that shows there was once an acceptable synthesis of sensuality and maternity. Can we hope for a future that would re-synthesize this deep and natural connection? Only when women have the right to govern their own bodies can they face and resolve the socialized differences symbolized by Venus and Ceres.
http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001946.HTM

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posted June 22, 2011 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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