posted January 27, 2012 07:56 PM            

There are links for Lilith through the other signs if you scroll down. Great article. I work on my negative past so that I do not carry it into the future, so I do not believe I will manifest the problems in motherhood described here. However, much ascribed to the childhood of a Cancerian Lilith is true of my past.

posted January 27, 2012 09:23 PM            

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Lilith here creates an almost astounding naivety in love which is why their love life is often chaotic, so they never manage to see in time where their love life is headed. When they realize – it is usually too late, since disappointment is inevitable. It is as if this person must always be the victim of a love relationship.
Various stimuluses, candles, a special “ritual” atmosphere are necessary to wake from a deep sleep the erotic and slow sensuality that needs foreplay, foreplay, foreplay…constantly delaying the moment of action! Sex usually happens in some strange – semi-conscious state, at night, in the water, in hospitals, closed institutions, hotels, at work. These are definitely very imaginative lovers that, because of their great shyness, do not succede in sharing their erotic fatasies with anyone, especially their proneness to S-M relationships, because they enjoy when the partner exhibits power over them and pain here represents a kind of pleasure. That is why they will at least once enter into a relationship with an agressive man that will try to physically molest them (Tina Turner, or Mike Tyson, who is himself like that).
If fully activated, Lilith in Pisces will produce, but more in men than in women, many perversities. There is a strong pathological need to belong to someone, to love someone fatally, as a deity. That is why we see idolatry here, fetishes. Much gossiping and slandering…
The positive use of this energy gives great intuition, high spiritual abilities, supreme musicians and generally artists (Isidora Duncan, Salvador Dali).

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posted January 27, 2012 09:54 PM            

Here's mine: Lilith in libra in the 1st house

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Lilith in Libra gives people that are very receptive to outside influences, other people’s opinions and demands, which first puts them in the unenviable position of subordinating to the will of others. They find it very difficult to determine their position in relation to other people, which is why their behaviours often vary depending on how others, and most of all their romantic partner, relates to them. This is why this position of Lilith can bring pathological indecisiveness and a fear of making any kind of decision, which is why they frequently express themselves ambivalently, thinking that is the way to evade complications.

Women with Lilith in Libra especially seek to seduce men, using all available means. They are proud, they know the meaning of a lovely, bouncy walk, and body talk is their specialty, for they know very well that every move has a hidden meaning. When they feel helpless or rejected, they can be ruthless, capable of anything just in order to, if they themselves can not be happy, spoil someone else’s happiness.

A person with LI in Libra will suffer a lot through life because of injustice, since she sees herself as a fighter for social justice and equality. She will often be accused by others or she will experience some sort of defeat, breakdown of ambitions and desires since the attention that is given to her still isn’t enough. For each of her actions she finds justification since she sees herself as extremely just, similar to the egyptian Maat or Blindfolded Justice. Lilith in Libra truly sees the truth with her inner eye. She aspires to connect the opposite sides, to reconcile opposite principles that are seemingly ireconcilable (Nelson Mandela had Lilith positioned here). These people are prone to media, they are inclined to diplomacy, professionals that exert their influence over others, over the masses, they are good public speakers, popular, especially if they are in the mass media (Oprah Winfrey). A public life is essential, they can not live without an audience and others, so seclusion and a sort of creative dedication is non existant here. Everything is just a glamorous desire for applause and accepting the love of a partner, family, friends and the entire world.

This person has, however, a pronounced sensuality and artistic talent that pertains mostly to acting, music and dance (John Travolta, Eric Clapton, Ricky Martin, Kim Basinger, Albert Finney, Winona Ryder), as well as politics, diplomacy (Mata Hari managed to unite all of it, skillfully balancing between two opposing sides). This person may seem strong on the outside, but inside things stand on quite wobbly legs. Lilith in Libra will be a positive influence only when the person manages to develop an uncompromising faith and love toward the whole of humanity and pulls away from her greatest sin – laziness. Only when she becomes ready to, wholeheartedly act for others, without constantly obssessing over her own whims, she will discover perfect peace and the essence of primal love, without yearning for accolades from the entire world (Nikola Tesla).

The main goal here is therefore to accept others without denying their own identity. Sometimes they are inclined to burden themselves with various memberships, groups, associations and other means of actively living a public life, while their private life suffers and then they condemn themselves to long solitudes denying the meaning of marriage and commitment. Also, because she is overly focused on the world around her, this person often projects her own whims on the environment by condemning what she sees in others. She will force justice and her convictions at all cost. In a partnership she will act strangely, putting up boundaries and rules of behaviour at the very onset. Almost regularly her partner will be a possessive and extremely difficult person, someone who is her complete opposite, who will prove his commitment through impulsive and agressive behaviour, and unreasonable reactions that will further undermine her self confidence and certainty in the existence of constant emotions. And the bigger the insecurity, the greater and more obsessive is the need to be adored and loved in this way, to be possessed, the object of another’s love, passion, desire and yearning. This is exactly how these people think, especially women who sooner or later sail into the net of a crafty seducer, experienced and charming man, who often times beside him already has another woman when he appears in their life. These are also women of fatal beauty which can, at some point in time, be their detriment, either because of a jealous husband or a maniac that may overtake them. Especially problems of a sexual nature spoil harmony and then a mutual consious hurting and mistreating takes place, especially in the generation 71/72 since they have in the same sign the planets UR and PL that will only intensify the influence of LI. Often times one person is not enough to fullfill the need for love of these people, so there is always a chance for some new love, countless little affairs in which they will to the utmost try to fascinate, charm and seduce the other side. Paralyzed at the beginning, the person must find ways to express her emotions without fear of pain. Every nine years there comes a new opportunity to achieve this, through new relationships and relations, greater life changes that, each in its own way, enable easier self expression.

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posted January 27, 2012 10:15 PM            

Everything here is a question of to be or not to be! Everything is a life or death struggle. And nobody can understand these people when they say that love is not love if it does not hurt, if there is no jealousy, pain, abandonment and comeback. If there is not even hatred and the darkness of frenzied passions and unsustainable desires, or that violent need for attention, looks, giving and owning. The eroticism of these people is morbid, for only in the face of rejection and the end that wounds the pride is their bitterness created and their hatred, love and passion awakened! Only when they are left and deceived, when treachery supresses faith – they move from fanatic love to the opposite extreme, thus beginning to hate with the same intensity if not even greater, the person that hurt them and that they were ready to, only the previous day, give everything for! They plan their vengeance, they even feel a type of disgust. Psychologically, Lilith positioned in Scorpio in its domicile is closer to women. Sometimes a person with LI in Sc uses rituals and rites, magic and the like in order to hurt or to gain the absolute attention of the person she is attracted to. If however, the person who has Lilith positioned here is not of an agressive or violent temperament, then she herself can be the victim of someone else’s rage, then it is she and her love that are in danger from others. In any case, after one humiliation and insult, especially women with LI in Sc have a problem of sexually opening up to men, to give themselves up and enjoy sex which is in their thoughts 24 hours a day! As a compromise, they strive to draw attention to themselves emphasizing their sex appeal by provocative clothing, uninhibited behaviour.

Generally these people are talented for sex of which they are aware, because it is only in sex, through the touch of two bodies, that they find satisfaction (and the touch is something that is obsessively missed since childhood, no matter how harmonious the family in which the person grew up as a child was, there still was not enough touching, embracing…), which is why they later in sex look for adoration and proof of love. If they wanted to, they could destroy up to three marriages through sex, but they find it hard to realize even one!

The feeling of degradation and lack of self esteem become the biggest problems of this person. Moderation is a word he does not know, everything is either – or! That is why things easily slip to extremes, from apathy to euphoria, from depression to hysteria, from ascetism to an insatiable hunger for passionate nights. Although men will experience her as a fatal seductress, Lilith here gets her maybe most sinister shape so it is extremely hard for her to approach anything with a pure heart, with trust and openness. This is also, of course, applicable to men with LI in Sc, that seek justification in everything for their defensive attitude which they use to shield themselves from new wounds. They do not trust women, sometimes even to the point of complete bitterness toward the female gender which may lead them to the opposite extreme (George Michael). A malicious use of sexual energy, whimsical sex and manipulation of their partner through erotic dominance can be frequent here! Relationships usually crash accompanied by the worst of scandals.

Sex and death hold an equal fascination! The transience of life and the constant presence of death in their thoughts make these people keep their senses alert at all times, ready to furiously and disdainfully snatch and raid what they please from life. They don’t believe in luck, and they constantly put it to the test whether through gamble or other vices with life itself as the stake. The suicidal is deeply hidden from the person, so no matter how much everything that is happening to her looks like an accident or bad carma, the person has envoked her destiny long ago, that evil and being lonely, death itself whether in some drug or dangerous person that will radically change her life. Truly, these people often times chose for a partner a fanatical and dangerous person, that is almost regularly some weirdo, a wild and antisocial person, a rebellious nature that they are sure will provide no security ( Whitney Houston had LI here and such a marriage with Bobby Brown and all the problems with heroin, and Carmen Electra, also with Lilith in Sc, had a marriage with Denis Rodmann that was measured in days only to recently enter into a serious relationship with the contraversial rock musician Dave Navarro). After such an experience, like Phoenix she raises from the ashes and she is beginning a seemingly different life as a new person, recupperated, full of life. Only when she finds herself on the bottom, only when the emotional pain becomes unbearable, does the person grow! That is why this is an extremely difficult position for Lillith, which can however, if the person decides to work on itself and its awareness, bring about incredible results and rapid progress, since the energies it possesses are not of this world and their power is incomprehensible!

Also, there is a great need to be an authority to others, while they themselves will only respect those that somehow strike fear into them or, even more for those who they fear for. A primal evil inhibits any kind of affirmation of life, joy, healthy love, romance, without destructive powers in the background that threaten to destroy, every seemingly harmonic state as soon as it finds itself at its pinnacle, when they care about it the most! That is why they constantly strive to have control over the lives of their dearest people, to manipulate with other people’s lives, being, emotions and they use sex as a means to achieve it! However, sex is also the means other people can use most easily to hurt this person, reject her, face her with defeat, loss, loneliness and lack of control over certain situations.

It is ideal if a person with Lilith in Scorpio choses a profession that will bring her in touch with this kind of people, with all human pathologies, whether through politics (Vojislav Seselj, Che Gevara), writing about the secret of human evil that is familiar to them (Andre Malreau) or by acting out on the scene such pathological characters that have, not by coincidence, made Jack Nicholson, who has Lilith positioned here, famous! Also, two of the greatest Sci Fi thrillers, horrors and pathological movies directors, Stanley Kubrick and David Lynch! LI in Sc gives also exceptional analysts, psychiatrists, surgeons…

posted January 27, 2012 11:10 PM            

Some of this fits me perfectly. I WAS "talkative and boastful in youth"...and I did go through this phase: "Sometimes they can be so pushy that they want others to behave according to their wishes, according to the motto 'Be like me!'."

I shudder to think of it. Really embarrassing. Sorry, world!

posted January 27, 2012 11:10 PM            

i already have the moon square venus madonna ***** aspect.. ugh i'll look into lilith..
http://mysticmedusa.com/2009/02/return-of-the-***** -goddess/

also i may be the only one that remembers her as a marvel super villain..

posted January 27, 2012 11:23 PM            

Haha I didn't know she was a Marvel villian!

EDIT: Hahaha I meant 'Dark' Moon not 'Darn' Moon but that's pretty cute lol

posted January 28, 2012 12:08 AM            

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Originally posted by sand:
it is for DML?

i didn't know that sorry. but i do know there are 3 types and yada yada.. just not sure how they all function with my chart..

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Aw it's no problem, of course! I hope I didn't sound rude wasn't meaning to, Sand -you're always so helpful! besides I did call the thread 'Lilith' Yeah idk because when I researched it before they were distinctly different but some people, like here: http://mysticmarguerite.com/WebDocs/Texts/LilithInfo.html
Seem to just mush 'em all together. I figure there are probably 3 most distinct mythologies about her so each represents a part?

Ok, I was just gone fooreeevver trying to find this awesome birthchart reading with BML that was free and a ton of pages long but I can't find a proper link anywhere!! They rerouted and expired the links from blogs too!! Ugh! I WILL find it for you lol. It's called Clairvision Virtual Astrologer -can anyone on a computer find a direct link to the reading?!

posted January 29, 2012 02:27 AM            

what of aspects tho..

i have:

BML sextile sun
BML trine saturn
BML square uranus

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i also oddly relate to the fears here despite being male..

Black Moon in the 5th House

Black Moon in the house of affairs, creativity, and children.
In a female chart, this position can indicate a great ambivalence as far as having children is concerned: on the one hand, extremely intense desire (but Black Moon desires are like violent and hidden passions); on the other hand repulsion and deep fears (as in fear of delivery, for instance, or fear of hating one's child). If the these unconscious or semi-unconscious issues are not resolved, they can lead to difficulties in conception.

Similar symbolism applies to creativity in general. The need for perfection can be extremely intense, making the native work hard and for long hours to realise his/her objectives. It can also become paralysing at times, as in not doing anything by fear of doing something that would not be good enough.

If a harmonious relationship to one's unconscious mind can be established, then this position can lead to an outpouring of creativity, and also to great originality (as in the non-conformist nature of the rebellious Lilith.)
http://lilith.tribe.net/thread/a8f93941-6d00-4ca9-93d1-9da000134c23

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LILITH IN ARIES often causes an extreme strive for autonomy, leading to problems in partnerships, because you are very interested in partnerships. Perhaps you are changing restlessly possible life partners without committing yourself, because there is always anything wrong with them. With flirts you are courageously, quickly and also successfully, possibly tending to one nite stands. Partnerships and sexual matters can be of uncertainty. You are fair, fighting for justice and peace.
LILITH IN TAURUS gives extraordinary love for the beauty and big emotional activity. You look for your security needs in a relationship, contacting others by flirting. With gifts and properties others can attract you, and probably you achive material security in a partnership. But you maybe get disturbed by the material dependence then, and your emotional harmony turns out of the balance.

LILITH IN GEMINI usually causes a strive for independence, particularly in intellectual areas. Perhaps you dedicate yourself to the beautiful literary arts or work in the public relations area. You have a diplomatic and psychological feeling and can entertain your fellow beings very well. Probably you tend to superficialnesses and your objectivity is limited sometimes, because you can get enticed and bounded by ideas easily. You possibly like to change your fellow beings, especially partners, if possible without their and even sometimes your own knowledge. In this position emotions can be suppressed unnoticed or converted to rationalities.

LILITH IN CANCER urges you to create domestic and family peace. You like to meet many people in your home in order to have expanded meals with them, whereby you take part in discussions very emotionally and with psychological knowledge. In family matters you are inclined not to recognize things or situations correctly, or you don't want to admit situations and circumstances because you get enticed by unrealistic opinions very easily.

LILITH IN LEO produces strong entertainment urges. Without any problems people can attract you to go to parties, where you then set yourself on stage. You also want to participate in bets and speculations, though your intuition tells you rather to leave your hands of it. You create harmony and peace, know how to flirt and to manipulate people to general well-being. You are probably well-known due to your charming character.

LILITH IN VIRGO blurrs the objectivity and lets you express criticism at wrong places perhaps. You simply don't want to commit yourself, are very orientationless regarding occupation and partnership. Other people may get confused by you, because this confusive position produces paradoxes in almost all areas of life. You perhaps tend hopelessly between commitment and autonomy urge, between social contacts and retreat. On the other hand, psychological and analytic abilities are almost unsurpassably strong, and your intuition beats everything. Unfortunately the possibility exists that you are not conscious about your abilities, or that you don't want to admit them.

LILITH IN LIBRA makes fair, diplomatically and harmony-striving. You like to flirt and manipulate your fellow beings with well-meaning intention. You permanently go into and break or let brake partnerships, because you vary between commitment and thirst for autonomy. The cause could be that you don't want to admit your wrong conceptions about fellow beings, or you don't want to see their real characters. Surely also belongs to it, that you may consider yourself completely different, contrary to the others, or that you are simply misjudged. You are of wisdom and intuition, as well as psychological ability and music love, but you may not have knowledge about it all. You wish to receive emotional loyalty from your life partner, and you want to be accepted emotionally. Probably you have very high requirements in partnerships and wish well working interpersonal relations to yourself.

LILITH IN SCORPIO may let you be enticed by sexual attractions easily, whereby you subordinate yourself to a more powerful partner or in reverse, or it comes to a mutually making the most of power. In this position the danger exists that you don't recognize these powers at all, the own or those of the others. You have to deal with setbacks, accidents and symbolic as well as real deaths, although there are usually opportunities to avoid it before any danger appears. You are maybe addicted to dangers because you want to exceed borders. Possibly you had to make experiences with death in the childhood, but can see the death as an inevitable part of the life due to your large psychological regeneration ability now.

LILITH IN SAGITTARIUS surely confronts you with the temptations of education journeys. If there is something to learn somewhere, you are quickly at place and you won't leave out a single opportunity to travel. Your contact to fellow beings is, due to your knowledge and psychological understanding, rather missionary and manipulative, but always with well-meaning intention. You are popular in a certain way because you try to apply diplomacy and fairness. At all your optimism and all the generosity you spread out, it could come to the situation that other people take advantage of you, or that you misjudge fellow beings.

LILITH IN CAPRICORN lets you hardly resist to the temptations of fame, status and power. You could bring yourself into large difficulties, because you misjudge the actual naturenesses of these characteristics, or you don't want to admit them at all. Problems in partnerships are usually resulting therefore in this position. You could tend to change your fellow beings and, in addition, to suppress their inner values completely. You look for autonomy, but perhaps won't necessarily also grant it to others.

LILITH IN AQUARIUS lets you misjudge your friends easily. Probably you have completely wrong conceptions of them or of what your friends think about you. You strive for autonomy with manipulative methods and psychological tricks, reject all too tight interpersonal relations and consider partnerships and relations rather as friendships. You surely hardly tend to commit yourself, although you want to to express any certain inner urge. Your fairness, tolerance, global thinking and humanity are noticeable, and you may argue with degenerated art or queer music styles. Though your intuitivity is remarkable, you could tend to a nonperception of the mentioned things.

LILITH IN PISCES can produce almost high-grade blurryness and impressingness. Perhaps you go voluntarily in dependence, also separatingnesses and an excessive social activity characterizes you. Possibly you repudiate yourself and don't recognize your internal needs or you don't want allow them to yourself. Fantasy, art sense and inspiration are very strong here. In addition, this position shows the danger to succumb to illusions and surrealities again and again. Possibly the whole life does not appear to you as real, but as virtual.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/018880.html

posted January 29, 2012 07:14 AM            

I can`t say for the others though. Asteroid Lilith is, well, an asteroid, but does not seem to convey the same soul-deep experiences that BML does.

posted January 29, 2012 07:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Neptune'sDaughter:
I see another mutual reception of sorts in that your bml is in the house of leo and has fears of fatherhood/creativity (even though those are supposed to be the 'female' fears) and your reg moon is in the sign of leo which rules children and creativity in the tenth house of the father (even though your's in cancer the sign of the mother). Alot of role reversal there -yet there is essentially a unification of your emotions and subconscious with your moon and bml being so exactly related! It may, in a way, intensify these fears with so many energies directed at them -but I Lso think it gives you the best tools to concur them!

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posted February 03, 2012 05:48 PM            

They say that bml is the type of woman a man is afraid of and that a woman is afraid to be? I guess aspects could either assuage those fears or increase them depending on the aspects.. as to direct interpertations.. in aspect to sun it would seem that this 'shadow moon' is strongly tied to the person's identity.. saturn and bml in good aspect, maybe an ability to restrain the 'unsavory' parts oof bml?.. and uranus, maybe the influences (good and bad) of bml appear irradically and manifest in weird ways?

posted February 03, 2012 05:50 PM            

All true.

posted February 03, 2012 05:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
According to my observation the true Black Moon Lilith is EXTREMELY important, especially in synastry.

I can`t say for the others though. Asteroid Lilith is, well, an asteroid, but does not seem to convey the same soul-deep experiences that BML does.

And I won`t consider the Dark MOon at all, as it is a hypothetical second Moon of the earth, whose existence has never even be proven.
It´s just my personal stance, that I do not use hypothetical planets; we have enough real existing ones, we do not need to invent planetary objects.
Just my opinion.

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I agree with the synastry. It is probably strong for me because both my moon and bml are so weighty.

My dml is on 2 degrees difference from my bml..

posted February 03, 2012 09:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Neptune'sDaughter:
@Sand hmmm I'm wondering about the aspects too..

They say that bml is the type of woman a man is afraid of and that a woman is afraid to be? I guess aspects could either assuage those fears or increase them depending on the aspects.. as to direct interpertations.. in aspect to sun it would seem that this 'shadow moon' is strongly tied to the person's identity.. saturn and bml in good aspect, maybe an ability to restrain the 'unsavory' parts oof bml?.. and uranus, maybe the influences (good and bad) of bml appear irradically and manifest in weird ways?

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so i'd be fraid of pisces?

posted February 04, 2012 11:19 AM            

They both square my Mars in Aquarius h10

and Lilith (i) sextiles my Saturn stationary rx h8

Also I have Lilith (i) conjunct asteroid Ixion. Some people say this is a really bad aspect to have. But I must have as some say "boy scout aspects" to balance this out.

Some people do judge me though cause I have 2 books about the the most infamous serial killers. Ugh stupid people, wondering why in my right mind would want to read about that stuff. I'm just really interested in psychology. Do I really need to explain myself to you!?

posted February 04, 2012 11:29 AM            

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Originally posted by sand:
so i'd be fraid of pisces?

i found an asteroid conjunct my bml. proserpina. sounds bad tho hehe!

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I have lilith conjunct pandora (exact), square lucifer (1 degree) and conjunct mars (2 degrees). Hmmm, the lilith conjunct pandora should be a bad aspect i think.