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Ceridwen
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posted March 27, 2012 05:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I wanted to analyze soulcluster/ soulgroups, would I be checking these:

ASC, IC
Moon, DNA
Saturn, Pluto
True Node, Karma?

(and for my personal soulcluster Atlantis?)

Have I forgotten important ones?

And am I also checking Dracos for that?

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posted March 27, 2012 06:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, the Draconic Chart too.

I would recommend ALMA, ANGEL and SPIRIT as well.

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posted March 27, 2012 06:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks.

I wanted to check if P2 and I fit into the pattern of my assumed soulcluster, too (you recall having analysed the synastries with P1, A and J?).

I haven`t come far, BUT I noticed that these pairings have a Saturn-ATLANTIS-conjunction synastry:

P1 and I
A and P2
j and me

Furthermore these conjunctions are tied to conjunct a soulmate-asteroid.

For P1 and I PROSERPINA (opposing KAALI)
for A and P2 Pluto
for J and me EROS

(I have only checked the "usual" ones so far)


But this kinda intrigued me, I guess in the very least it seems to indicate that all of us had a vital past lifeline in Atlantis

(btw there are some ATLANTIS-ASC or ATLANTIS-DESC-conjunctions as well - I am only checking conjunction and oppositions).

haven´t looked at the Draco´s but would not be suprised if the atlantic theme was prominent

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posted March 27, 2012 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
is Alma "soul"?


I just checked it for the first time and saw that I have ALMA on 6.4 Aries conjunct MAGION on 6.5 Aries conjunct AURA on 4.4 Aries conjunct GAEA on 4.5 Aries conjunct IC on 4.5 Aries.


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posted March 27, 2012 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting Ceri,
I checked my placements:

My Tropical Chart:

ASC 12 Libra
IC 13 Capricorn
Moon/Neptune 8 Capricorn
Saturn/Uranus 28 Sagittarius
Pluto 9 Scorpio
NN 16 Pisces
DNA 3 Aquarius Rx
Alma/Juno/Union 25 Gemini
Spirit 16 Libra
Angel 14 Taurus
Atlantis 8 Scoprio

My Draco:

ASC 26 Libra
IC 27 Capricorn
Moon/Neptune 22 Capricorn
Saturn/Uranus 12 Capricorn Rx
Pluto 23 Scorpio Rx
Karma 25 Virgo
Alma/Juno/Union 9 Cancer
Spirit 29 Libra
Angel 28 Taurus
Sumeria 28 Aquarius
Atlantis 22 Scorpio

My TF Tropical:

ASC 11 Capricorn
IC 7 Taurus
Moon 13 Scorpio
Saturn 23 Sagittarius
Pluto 11 Scorpio
NN 28 Pisces
DNA 6 Sagittarius
Alma 11 Aries
Spirit 22 Libra
Angel 23 Aquarius
Sumeria 8 Capricorn
Atlantis 4 Scorpio
Isis/Destinn 22 Cancer

His Draco:

ASC 13 Capricorn
IC Taurus 8
Moon 14 Scorpio
Saturn 25 Sagittarius
Pluto 13 Scoprio
Karma 12 Virgo
Alma 12 Aries
Spirit 24 Libra
Angel 25 Aquarius
Kaali 13 Capricorn
Atlantis 5 Scoprio
Sumeria 10 Capricorn


His Alma opposes my ASC and my Alma opposes his Sun/Saturn/Mercury/Uranus.. hmmm

I got a reading from a psychic in the UK who specializes in twin flames and she said I was one of the few lucky people to meet mine. I have some intense synastry with his family too. Like his dad's Saturn conjuncts my South Node exact and his ASC/Uranus is on my Sun plus many other exact aspects. Fascinating.

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posted March 28, 2012 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow! Your tf has his NN near the Aries point, leading to his Draco chart basically being the same as his natal chart.

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posted March 28, 2012 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Athenegoddess,

do you recall a past life with him in Sumeria?

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posted March 28, 2012 04:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mermaid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Athene,

your Asc and your TF's Asc are not opposite in tropical.I have read numerous posts here talking about conjunctions and oppositions being a sign of Twin flame connection.

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posted March 28, 2012 04:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mermaid,

but their ASC and IC are conjunct. Definitely a strong indicator of their soulconnection.
Complimentarity *can* be expressed through ASC-DESC-conjunction, but it doesn´t *have* to.

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posted March 28, 2012 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mermaid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Ceri for clarifying.I was under the impression that it has to Asc/Dsc conjunction for twin souls and others like Asc/IC would be for soulmates.

Back to asteroids and past life connections,do you think the following would indicate an Eygptian lifeline?

My Giza conjuncts his Sphinx/ASC
His Alma conjuncts my Sphinx
My Alma conjuncts his IC/Giza

all under 2degs and less

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posted March 28, 2012 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mermaid, I said our ASCendants were in hard aspect. And they are. I think you misread all my posts.. I didn't say the ascendants must be in opposition but in hard aspect.

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posted March 28, 2012 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, well, I am not totally convinced of that "ASC-in-square aspect"-theory.
(I would have to read the astrologer`s reasoning)
I also would find it intriguing to collect some data and see in how many cases this square between ASC`s coincides with a conjunction of IC or MC to the ASC-DESC-axis.


In any case, did you see how you have a dW of Alma to DESC in the Dracos?

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posted March 28, 2012 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ruth Aharoni states it. In her book 'Present lives, Past Loves'. And to me it makes sense. Not only in square but HARD aspect.

I'll check..

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posted March 28, 2012 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mermaid:
Thanks Ceri for clarifying.I was under the impression that it has to Asc/Dsc conjunction for twin souls and others like Asc/IC would be for soulmates.

Back to asteroids and past life connections,do you think the following would indicate an Eygptian lifeline?

My Giza conjuncts his Sphinx/ASC
His Alma conjuncts my Sphinx
My Alma conjuncts his IC/Giza

all under 2degs and less



Yes, could be, but it`s not enough information for me to form such a conclusion.
First off I`d like to see if you have any conjunctions of Egyptian asteroids to ASC/DESC, IC/MC, Moon, SAturn, Pluto, NN, Karma and maybe also Spirit, DNA and Alma natally.

And for synastry I would check the same set plus Venus, Amor, VAlentine, Eros, Juno, Isis and Osiris.

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posted March 28, 2012 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Draco DSC is 26 Aries his Draco DSC is 13 Cancer. My Draco Alma is 9 Cancer, His Draco Alma is 12 Aries. My Natal DSC is 12 Aries, his Natal DSC is 11 Cancer.

My Draco Venus is at 27 Gemini Rx
His Draco Chiron is 27 Gemini Rx

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posted March 28, 2012 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Ruth Aharoni states it. In her book 'Present lives, Past Loves'. And to me it makes sense. Not only in square but HARD aspect.

I'll check..


It makes sense to me with the conjunction and opposition. But why the square? Because this is the midpoint of the ASC and DESC?

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posted March 28, 2012 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Because it doesn't matter if it's Square, Conjunction, or Opposition. The Ascendants are our presence in this world and for a person to change your life like a twin flame would they must activate your angles in one way or another and the hard aspects are the energies that produce Change and transformation.

As for the midpont of the DSC/ASC.. I have no idea.

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posted March 28, 2012 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, that`s a reasoning I can follow and agree with.


I`m just wondering, well I`m wondering this about squares all the time... there are two lines of interpretations of squares (according to different astrologers) as far as I can see.

One theory sais that the energies of the squares produce tension and disharmony, so there is a constant conflict produced, which leads to bickering and fighting or even blocking each other.


The other line of thought is, as you mentioned, that the aspects do not really have a "flavour" of their own but that they simply indicate the degree of energy mobilized, and with the square the voltage would be very high.
If that leads to passionate and harmonious attraction, or to combat, depends on the planets the square connects to each other.
I think you and Ruth Ahoni (I just ordered here book btw. HOpe it is good. ) would subscribe more to the second line of thought.


Personally I understand where both theories come from, but haven`t yet come to a final conclusion about them.

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posted March 28, 2012 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well his Ascendant also conjuncts my Moon/Neptune but in my experience anyway the square between our ascendants doesn't create conflict in fact it makes us look like we are perfect for each other. I feel the energy between the angles doesn't create the same manifestation of the square between the planets. It's much more profound I feel... Something out of our control really.

So glad you ordered it.

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posted March 28, 2012 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I feel the energy between the angles doesn't create the same manifestation of the square between the planets.

Yes, that`s another thing I was wondering about, as I *feel* like aspects between angles (including Vertex and midpoints and nodal axis) operate differently from planetary aspects.
But it is just an intuitive thing and I cannot really back it up.

I was thinking that it might have to do with these being calculated points and setting a frame of reference for our earthly experiences, the glasses through which we perceive the planets.


Well, I was having a look at my "assumed soulcluster" (me, P1, A, P2, J and I).

The matching ASC`s are:

Me: 7 Sagittarius
J: 9 Sagittarius
I: 6 Sagittarius

P1: 9 Pisces

A and P2 do not fit into that scheme as per ASC-degrees.

But I did a secondary check, the Draco`s.


p2 ASC: 26 Pisces
My Draco ASC: 26 Pisces

A`ASC: 26 Aries
P1 Draco DESC: 23 Aries
P2 Draco DESC: 24 Aries

A`s Draco ASC is 11 Pisces, squaring my tropical ASC by 4 degree (just out of orb), but is also conjunct my tropical ASC-ruler on 11 Pisces


So of the possible interconnections

P1-me: ASC square ASC (2)
P1-A: Dr ASC conjunct DESC (3)
P1-J: ASC square ASC (0)
P1-I: ASC square ASC (3)
P1-P2: Dr ASC Conjunct Dr ASC (1)

A-me: Dr ASC square ASC (4) and conj. chartruler (0)
A-J: Dr ASC square ASC (2)
A-I: Dr ASC square Dr ASC (1)
A-P2: ASC conjunct Dr DESC (2)

P2-me: ASC conjunct Dr ASC (0)
P2-J: -----
P2-I: -----

J-me: ASC conjunct ASC (2)
J-I: ASC conjunct ASC (3)

I-me: ASC conjunct ASC (1) (his Dr ASC is also widely conjunct my DESC by 5 degrees)


I thought this was pretty interesting; the only "hole" was with P2 (would that lead to the conclusion, depending on overall aspects, that he might not be part of that particular soulgroup?).

Since the Draconic chart has lunar and nodal character, it might emphasize the karmic and developmental nature of a connection.

Anyway, of course all of us bring our planets that are falling onto our natal ASC-DESC-axis into the equation as well.

Which would be for:

P1: Chiron on ASC, Pluto on DESC;

A: Moon on ASC;

P2:Saturn on DESC; Pluto on Dr ASC;

J: Venus and Neptune on ASC;

I: mercury on ASC; Sun-Neptune on Dr DESC (wide orb: 4 degrees)

Me: Mars-Neptune-Node on ASC; Dr Moon on DESC;

EDIT:
The funny thing is how natally there is a distribution of Yin and Yang through Sun-Moon and Venus-Mars and the spiritual energies Neptune-Pluto.


EDIT2:
I definitely think that your Moon-Neptune on his ASC figures into your connection very much.

Most synastries of people who could be considered soulmates or at least had long lasting and happy loving (as far as an outsider can know this) relationships had something like Sun, Moon, Venus, DESC-ruler, ASC-ruler or Node conjunct the (tropical) ASC or DESC.

(it doesn`t mean of course that EVERY synastry with this would lead into a happy relationship. As always much more has to be considered).

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posted March 28, 2012 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceridwen,

What about personal name asteroids? Do you think these would be specifically placed?

I have done some research on name asteroids and where they fall in charts... Alot of time the placement doesnt fit at first,until the relationship is said and done.. Then it just falls into place and then makes a lot of sense.

Example. My ex husbands name in my natal chart is dead on our Son's Sun.

There was a time (when I was young) I was going back and fourth with 2 guys...
Both of there names are conjunct in my natal.

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posted March 28, 2012 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri those are some powerful placements.

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posted March 30, 2012 03:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yuting     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I`m just wondering, well I`m wondering this about squares all the time... there are two lines of interpretations of squares (according to different astrologers) as far as I can see.

One theory sais that the energies of the squares produce tension and disharmony, so there is a constant conflict produced, which leads to bickering and fighting or even blocking each other.


The other line of thought is, as you mentioned, that the aspects do not really have a "flavour" of their own but that they simply indicate the degree of energy mobilized, and with the square the voltage would be very high.

Personally I understand where both theories come from, but haven`t yet come to a final conclusion about them.


I think both are right in context. Sq and opp are strong energies that are different. Depending on the individuals, some can handle quite a bit of strong discordant energy (even in their own natals, not just in synastry) while some are much more into flowing energy (might even have difficulties handling conjunctions).

I for one would be bored by too much yes energy. Yes, it will please my ego and I wont hate it, but it would probably not engage my deep interest for long either.

Without discordant energy, we will have difficulties growing. Just the proportion of discordant energy a person could take is different. Also depending on age, a person's ability to deal with the same discordant energy might be different (e.g. if someone has the same natal square as his/her synastry with another person, while still young, s/he might take his/her personal frustration with this energy out on the other person, but as s/he matures and has learned to deal with the natal aspect, s/he might become quite adept at dealing with this discordant energy with the other person)

So, when someone asks me about a natal or a synastry chart, I would just highlight the possible dynamics

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posted March 30, 2012 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lioness:
Ceridwen,

What about personal name asteroids? Do you think these would be specifically placed?


Yes, definitely. I had checked the comparisions with the men that made a difference in my world, and curiously in either composite or in their natals my name ends up on 8 Pisces.

my names in:
1. P1`s natal: 8 Pisces
(conjunct his Chiron and ASC, and opposite his Pluto exact)

2. J and my composite: 8 Pisces conjunct his name on 8 Pisces as well

3. P2`s natal: 9 Pisces
(conjunct his EROS and currently pr PSYCHE, and opposite his own name and Amor and Mars and Jupiter - so basically everything )

4. I`s and my composite: 10 Pisces
(conjunct Moon on 10 Pisces)


5. my Dad`s and my composite: 14 Pisces (a bit further than the others)


Interestingly that seems only to happen in relation to guys.

Another interesting thing is that my chartruler Jupiter is on 11 Pisces, so my name is conjunct the very planet that carries the essence of my identity. lol

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posted March 30, 2012 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by yuting:
I think both are right in context. Sq and opp are strong energies that are different. Depending on the individuals, some can handle quite a bit of strong discordant energy (even in their own natals, not just in synastry) while some are much more into flowing energy (might even have difficulties handling conjunctions).

I for one would be bored by too much yes energy. Yes, it will please my ego and I wont hate it, but it would probably not engage my deep interest for long either.

Without discordant energy, we will have difficulties growing. Just the proportion of discordant energy a person could take is different. Also depending on age, a person's ability to deal with the same discordant energy might be different (e.g. if someone has the same natal square as his/her synastry with another person, while still young, s/he might take his/her personal frustration with this energy out on the other person, but as s/he matures and has learned to deal with the natal aspect, s/he might become quite adept at dealing with this discordant energy with the other person)

So, when someone asks me about a natal or a synastry chart, I would just highlight the possible dynamics


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