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Steppenwolf
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posted May 14, 2012 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steppenwolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hello,

i apologize in advance if this is controversial. if it is offensive to anyone, i will take the post down.

i was wondering if anyone has used or know of any asteroids to use for a WW II theme?

i was told i had a torturous past life during WW II and i would like to explore the astrology of it, if possible. I have current life fears that are crippling due to this suspected past life.

so far, i have not found any asteroids.

thank you in advance

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posted May 14, 2012 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steppenwolf,

My humble advice is to start general and tighten the scope. Look for evidence of a war, then see how you might fit into the broad strokes. This was how I came upon my understanding of a particular soul-group in which I'm a prominent figure. We assumed there were many wars and many lives, only recently being able to narrow it down to one major war - either of a parallel existence, or in the far future, or, more likely now, stemming from a past civilisation in which we all incurred deep, detrimental karma.

Good luck! Let me know if that helps, or you'd like some insight as to how to start.

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posted May 14, 2012 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steppenwolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you kindly for your reply IndigoDirae,

so far i've just looked to see if there were asteroids for the some WW II names and places.

i will have to dig deeper and i would LOVE some insight as to how to start.

how did you start your journey if you don't mind me asking, please forgive me if i am imposing in any way. just extremely curious about everything!

thank you

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posted May 15, 2012 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jovian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Steppenwolf. Goodness--not an offensive topic at all, in my book. I've spent many years working on healing past lives...it seems to never end. As you try to push forward in this life, it seems there is always something related from the past, a blind spot that needs to have your focused attention for a while, that needs acknowledgment and healing by your heart; in order to gain clarity about why you are stuck in a certain area in the current lifetime. (Since we are on an astrology board, I'll mention my sun in the 12th house as suggestive of taking stock, accounting for the past, and tying up loose ends from a recent round of lifetimes. So, I've accepted that a large chunk of this life is for this purpose.)

My method has been to simply get quiet and allow myself to focus on the emotion that is coming up, and try to sense my way to a "likely originating episode" that feels apt, trusting whatever comes up.

There are obvious simple phobias, such as fear of bridges, tall buildings, snakes, having something around your neck, etc. that have origins in fatalities in fairly obvious types of circumstances from a previous life. But other traumas can be harder to pinpoint, until we find ourselves stymied in the current day in some way, and can't find a "logical," current-life reason for it. It sounds like you are half-way there, if you sense the "rightness" of the truth of your having had an unpleasant life in the WWII era.

In any case, the solution to dissipating the emotions is to steep yourself in the feelings from that originating event. You have to feel the pain and fear and heartache fully, in a way you did not at the time of the original trauma. You have to take the time to sob it all out, until it no longer holds any energy, and you can look at the event with dispassion.

Clearing these old hurts can take a while, perhaps several sessions over several days, of delving into it. As well, there may be several layers to the pain, that are better processed in steps; you may have somewhat of a "theme" going, experiencing a similar type of trauma over multiple lifetimes. You may pass through multiple emotions on your way through it.

If it involves someone else hurting you, and you find you are holding anger or rage, it may involve imagining torturing that person, inflicting a similar pain to that which you feel they've done to you; cursing at them and just letting them have it, letting them know just how f*cked up they behaved. It may involve an initial discomfiting sense of not knowing "why" something happened to you. However, if you persist in your healing, you will eventually sense a larger meaning to the experience. Usually, we've been on both sides of the power dynamic--as persecutor and persecuted--sometime, somewhere in our soul journey.

...It is work, but it is worth it. The peace felt after finally tying up a trauma--and the resultant lifting of a cloud in one's current life--is invaluable. It is part of the path to true freedom.

"Nothing comes from nothing." All so-called 'irrational' fears and emotions have an origin somewhere. In accepting the concept of past lives, we can be on our way to true healing. You may find it easier than you think, to tune in to an emotionally resonant past trauma. As past-life therapists like to say, it ultimately doesn't matter if it was "truly" your past...as long as it heals. ...In my opinion, if I hit on a likely "memory" that impacts me emotionally, and I start sobbing with pain, guilt, shame...whatever... that is as "real" as it can get, and I trust it to be as true a memory as any.


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posted May 15, 2012 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jovian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As far as getting clues from WWII related asteroids, I'll repost the neat wikipedia entries (well, I thought they were neat) that I posted in another recent thread. It has a list of all currently named asteroids, in groups of 500. According to astro.com, there are currently over 17,000 named bodies.

Meanings of minor planet names
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meanings_of_asteroid_names


I just did a brief search of a few of those number groups, using key words “world war." This does catch several WW II-related asteroids, though these may be obscure and not useful to you. ...After all, they haven't named any asteroids after Hitler or Himmler, or other Axis leaders. Here are a few.

1903 Adzhimushkaj (WWII Battle site)

1528 Conrada (Fritz Conrad, Admiral in German Navy in WWII)

2011 Veteraniya (Russian for veterans of WWII)

As well, there is a list of minor planets named after places
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_planets_named_after_places


Perhaps one of the Eastern European or Japanese, or wherever, town names will grab you.

Finally, here is the List of Minor Planets Named After People
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_planets_named_after_people

I see a few names I recognize, under World War II Heroes and Veterans, though again, not sure how useful these are to you. There are several others, though.

11572 Schindler

99949 Miepgies

5535 Annefrank


...Are there certain eras/ countries/ cultures/ landscapes that you are drawn to, or away from?

Certain costumes/ clothing/ weaponry?

The real key is to TRUST yourself, whatever comes up.

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posted May 15, 2012 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steppenwolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Jovian,

Thank you SO much for your wonderful reply!

I have recently started doing yoga and meditating and i hope this will help me in my quest to quiet my mind and listen and feel.

I have always had a crippling fear of torture, home invasions amd slow death. I am OK with the concept of death - I don't believe that we ever die, just the form changes.

Of course these things are unpleasant to everyone but I find myself (this started roughly 11 years ago) constantly thinking about it to an unhealthy extent and becoming paranid, scared to sleep at night, etc.

I wondered why I felt this way and once I read Michael Newton's books (journey of souls and destiny of souls) and started to look into the reincarnation, death, past lives more, I started thinking that I most likely went through a traumatic death that involved torture.

I recently had a reading with a woman who was recommended (the reading had nothing to do with past life stuff) and she just brought it up because I needed to know. I needed confirmation and it was given to me unexpectedly so that I can move on. I have been wanting to go to a past life regressionist/hypnotist but have not yet had the chance to go.

I feel such a sense of relief that it was something that already happened. I know I chose that life for a reason and I am not angry (I do not know all of the details as the reader told me I then shut down and I guess I wasn't ready to know anymore at this time). Maybe if I know all of the details or have any recall, I will feel differently but all I can feel now is an overwhelming sense of gratitude for my life today.

Basically what was described was a home invasion during WW II where my husband was killed, I was taken along with my children and I was tortured for a long period of time and raped - almost on a daily basis. I'm sorry if this is too graphic.

I found a book yesterday by Miriam Slozberg about past life Holocaust victims who acknowledged their past life and shared it with the author and astrology. I have to order the book from amazon as google books omits many sections.

I am not 100% sure that this was one of my past lives (I'm working on trusting myself and my intuition more) but it makes so much sense to me so I would like to explore it further or at least get internal confirmation from my higher self and let go of it so I can move forward and shed all of these fears (they don't hold me back from living my life - but they make things very difficult because I am constantly anxious).

I was also worried that by dwelling on the fears I would attract them and I no longer have that anxiety knowing that this was something in the past and something I have the power to let go of.

As for feeling the pain fully and delving into the heart of it, I think I have a way to go before I reach that state as I have not fully connected to this memory/experience. I do think it would be healing and I am very ready to move on!

it is work, but I agree with you that it is truly worth it.

it sounds like you have experienced this recognition and letting go process before and if you have, I hope it has brought you peace.

thank you again for taking time to help, it is much appreciated

i'm off to look at the asteroid lists in your second post.

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posted May 15, 2012 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steppenwolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Jovian,

Wow thank you for that list - I just spent an hour hyperlinking!

Ok so...AnneFrank is at 0 pisces and conrada is at 29 aquarius - my sun is at 29 aquarius, DSC is at 1 pisces and asteroid Osiris is at 0 pisces as well.

Schnidler is at 13 taurus on my asteroid karma at 13 taurus and Adzhimushkaj is at 1 cap conjunct my SN at 2 cap, trine my moon at 1 taurus and ASC at 1 virgo.

Draconic Veteraniya is at 12 taurus.

Edited to add: Asteroid zoya (an outspoken Russian woman who set houses on fire where German cavalry were staying as a protest) is at 23 pisces (mars and venus are both at 24 pisces). Asteroid Lyalya is at 7 aquarius (mercury is at 5 aqua) and she was a Russian student who died during the war although I can't find any other information about her.

Ok that I won't add any more asteroids onto this thread - those are just the next 2 I looked at and they are aspected in my chart as well and I found that curious.

I just started with the asteroids you listed so far and will have to think about what these connections mean to me. I am going through the list (of minor planets named after people) and I think it's really helpful (for any theme)- thank you for sharing. I am searching for "world war" under each one right now.

I agree, i have to trust myself but I am still in the process of learning how.

I can't say I am drawn away from any culture or eras other than anything very barbaric. I am drawn to Russia and I was born in Russia but have lived most of my life in the U.S. and identify with both cultures.

I feel I may have had other past lives in Russia and I am also drawn to Japan and the Netherlands. That is just my feeling though, Russia being the strongest (maybe because I am Russian in this life).

I am going to explore the asteroid list more and think about the places I am drawn to, eras, etc.

I don't mean to keep babbling about myself, just very curious and willing to learn.

Thank you very kindly

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posted May 16, 2012 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
for LINDALAND / Asteroid Astrology /
"asteroid theme question" by Steppenwolf May 14, 2012 - 6:14pm EDT

on July 21, 2012 Sat. 10:13pm EDT mirage29
The moon is in Virgo, what can I say??
...for our very own "Copy-PASTs" (for easy searches!)

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@JOVIAN - May 15, 2012 - 02:42pm
1903,1528,2011,11572,99949,5535,
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@Ceridwen - May 16, 2012 (all)
1793,2164,2889,3811,ALGOL,
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@BLACK SERAPH - May 16, 2012 - 11:48pm
50143,34,13897,20164,5805,5535,306,200069,1224,2736,1834,7088,2404,6157,24626,2244,
with Conrada:
103,2155,1528
how about Simon Wiesenthal:
603,69275,
another one
99949,446,
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@iQ - May 18, 2012 - 06:10am
5535,11572,241,1908,1125,2247,727,ALGOL,
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@BLACK SERAPH - May 18, 2012 - 10:05pm
2247,727,1125,1930,232,241,2598,2597,3989,69230,5790,2250,1582,21727,7507,2031,
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@BLACK SERAPH - May 19, 2012 - 02:06pm
9007,17806,166570,
279,4386,85585,
2606,42355,2228,136,
5283,2807,2046,
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REVisioning # 0 mirage29

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posted May 16, 2012 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for that list as well.
I have a past life recall (and prior to that many many dreams,w hich partly were past life recalls as well) of this time, and it keeps me wondering why my soul chose to reincarnate in Germany AGAIN.

If linked to genocide, the fixed star Algol could be of importance.

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posted May 16, 2012 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jovian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, Steppen--I can't believe that small handful of WWII asteroids made such significant hits to your chart. ...And that past-life reading seems to jibe precisely with the specific anxieties you've felt for years. For my money, there would be no reason left to doubt it.

...Glad you came across the accounts of others with WWII memories. I had thought of searching for such for you, as I had certainly come across such references, in years past, when researching past lives online. Many people recall being victims--as well as perpetrators--during WWII.

Personally, I sense that I may have been German at that time, though perhaps as a wife of a man who was more zealously aligned with the Nazi cause; while I was just a dependent wife, not really concerned with the politics of the day. Yet, I felt unhappy, trapped and oppressed in the relationship. Interestingly, I dated a boy in highschool who was fascinated by WWII, to the point of having a serious collection of artifacts, including Nazi uniforms, guns, a Nazi flag on his bedroom wall, miniature battle scenes, etc. (at age 17). ...It was an unhappy relationship for me. I really feel it was us tying up our previous relationship.

...You mentioned meditation. I had been in the habit of meditating fairly seriously, when these 'past life' emotions started to come up, some 12 years ago or so. So, I suppose due to having cultivated the ability to be internally quiet, it was then not difficult to allow myself to tune in to the emotions and sensations and follow it all "downstream." ...It's kind of funny---I thought I had reached a place of such peace at that time in my life, when I was regularly meditating....only to have these past-life pains begin to burble to the surface, demanding to be dealt with!

Recognition and letting go, indeed. Over and over and over, lifetime upon lifetime.

...Mirage--thank you for your kind comment.


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posted May 16, 2012 01:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the last dream I was dreaming of the name of some sort of smaller concentration camp in a village with the name of "Brno".
When I was waking up I thought that this gathering of letters could never be a real name of a city. lol
But I looked it up and it turns out I dreamed of the Czech name of that city,a nd yes, there was such a camp.
As a matter of fact there is even an asteroid BRNO.
In my chart it falls onto the Galactic centre right onto my Sun-Mercury-conjunction in Sag in 1st house.

If you are looking at past lives, check for aspects to Karma, Moon, SN and ruler of 12th house, maybe even 12th house cusp (Placidus) as well as the Draconic charts.

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posted May 16, 2012 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
number of Brno is 2889

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posted May 16, 2012 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steppenwolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mirage, thank you for your comment and the link

Ceridwen -Do you think you were there (at Brno?)
Do you know what happened to you in that past life? if you don't mind me asking. if it's too personal, i understand.

i checked BRNO and it is (29 cancer) exactly squaring my pluto at 29 libra and quincunx to sun at 29 aqua ...and the closest placement to algol is at chiron at 22 taurus but i think 4 degress is too wide?

Yes, there are aspects to karma, 12th house ruler (sun) and south node..also to mars, venus and mercury.

I checked a few more asteroids last night and will hopefully have time to complete the check from the list (i'm about 1/4 through the list) this weekend. i will post any findings that would strengthen this idea.

thank you for responding and helping!

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posted May 16, 2012 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steppenwolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jovian,

I was surprised at all of the aspects but it also gave me some more confirmation.

I want to express my gratitude for your help and encouragement, it is deeply appreciated!!

Do you feel that you tied up that relationship once it was over?

In my search of other's past life WW II stories, I came across a story by a man, who as a boy was fascinated with WWII memorabilia (but not sympathetic to the cause) and over time had a recall of being a nazi soldier - and his username on whatever site that was, was also steppenwolf! I did not realize that until I finished his story. Your story about your high school bf reminded me of this person's story.

did you have to learn to trust your intuition during meditation/past life memories and feelings surfacing?

I am learning how to do this and i FEEL myself trusting my intuition more but still doubt myself.

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posted May 16, 2012 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jovian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steppenwolf. I very much want to reply, but at the moment I have to go rescue my friends that just called and are stranded (in my van that broke down) outside of Manhattan!

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posted May 16, 2012 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steppenwolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh I hope your friends and van are OK it's nice of you to go help them out!!

Are they in NY or NJ? (I live in NJ and grew up in Northern NJ by the GWB).

Hope all goes well!!

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posted May 16, 2012 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlackSeraph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been told that there's a chance I may have been a spy during WWII in my past life, possibly for the allies (this was suggested through a lexigram mainly).

I've got some VERY interesting placements, some involving the aforementioned asteroids, others not so much but still very WWII-era-related (as well as Soviet Occupation-related)

I'll place the entire asteroid stellium for the first example as this is going to be a LOT easier (I'll bold the major pertinent ones).

50143 Petrginz @ 10 Lib 57'31" - Young teen, Czechoslovakian and Jewish, who unfortunately perished at Auschwitz when gassed. Like Anne Frank, he left a diary behind.
34 Circe @ 11 Lib 13'22" - Greek minor goddess of magic. Had the ability to intoxicate and transform men into animals. Odysseus overcame this though and liberated his men. People became pretty much like animals during WWII... Could also point to occult happenings during this era in a past life for me.
13897 Vesuvius @ 11 Lib 25'8" - Volcano in Italy, infamous for Pompeii. May be applicable as Italy was allied with Germany during the war.
20164 Janzajic @ 11 Lib 35'53" - Named after Jan Zajic, who protested the Soviet Occupation of Czechoslovakia. Died by lighting himself on fire in protest.
MARS @ 12 Lib 12'41" - This needs no explanation.
5805 Glasgow @ 12 Lib 19'36" - Third-largest city in Scotland. Suffered air raids during WWII.
5535 Annefrank @ 12 Lib 34'10" - Author of the legendary diary, and as I recall died from illness at Bergen-Belsen.
306 Unitas @ 12 Lib 48'4"
200069 Alastor @ 13 Lib 10'54" - legendary Greek warrior who carried at least two other warriors to safety during the Trojan War, another clash of civilizations. Arguably has influence here in relation to WWII and the aftermath.
** ALGORAB ** @ 13 Lib 15' - Fixed Star. Of the nature of Mars and Saturn, according to Ptolemy. Gives way to "destructiveness, malevolence, fiendishness, repulsiveness and lying, and is connected with scavenging." Also, injuries are difficult to avoid.
1224 Fantasia @ 13 Lib 58'31" - Unsure about this one, other than Disney creating Fantasia and Disney being involved in propaganda cartoons during WWII. Youtube Donald Duck in "The Fuhrer's Face" for a prime example.
2736 Ops @ 14 Lib 0'37" - As mentioned before, possibility of me being a spy in a previous life during this time period.
1834 Palach @ 14 Lib 29'20" - Another Czech student who protested the Soviet Occupation. Like Jan Zajic, died from self-immolation in protest, a year apart and near the same location. A town square in Prague is named in his honor.
PLUTO @ 14 Lib 52'18" - Also requires no introduction, like Mars.
7088 Ishtar @ 15 Lib 45'30" - not beyond the realm of possibility that the Nazis would have been interested in Ishtar as part of their research into the Occult.
2404 Antarctica @ 15 Lib 46'13" - I've heard conspiracy theories and whatnot about possible Nazi bases in Antarctica, unsure about before/during/after the war though. I haven't delved into this aspect as much.
6157 Prey @ 15 Lib 48'34" - The Nazis had many people as prey... as did the Soviet (and undoubtedly some Allied) Occupiers after the fall of Berlin.
VENUS @ 16 Lib 14'1" - Part of my natal stellium with Mars and Pluto.
24626 Astrowizard @ 16 Lib 56'1" - Maybe as a spy in a past life I stumbled upon a rocket program the Nazis had?
2244 Tesla @ 17 Lib 13'19" - Genius who had involvement at the beginning of the Philadelphia Experiment (and sabotaged the first run of it when he realized things weren't right and was subsequently removed if I remember correctly).

Another interesting stellium, with Conrada:
103 Hera @ 22 Sco 20'29" - Greek mythology, wife of Zeus.
2155 Wodan @ 22 Sco 31'56" - Another pronunciation for Odin.
1528 Conrada @ 23 Sco 15'53" - The German admiral mentioned. From wikipedia: "Conrad was something of a social Darwinist, and believed a battle between German and Slavic civilization was inevitable." Although he died in 1925... Not sure if this would point to a past life in WWII Europe in this case...

How about Simon Wiesenthal, the famed Nazi-hunter and holocaust survivor? This is where it gets interesting:

608 Adolfine @ 10 Sco 19'37"
Ixion @ 10 Sco 47'35" - http://markandrewholmes.com/ixion.html sums this up very well.
** ALPHECCA ** @ 11 Sco 58' - Fixed Star.
69275 Wiesenthal @ 12 Sco 6'39" - Named for Simon Wiesenthal, famed Nazi Hunter and namesake of the Simon Wiesenthal Center.
URANUS @ 12 Sco 47'38" - Radical Change.
[12th Cusp] @ 13 Sco 39'23" - This is an interesting house cusp to have this near...

Alphecca and Uranus together (by my calculations are within a degree orb): "Selfish, mental affliction and violence at end of life, psychic power, suffering through occultism, deceptive, many false friends, small inheritance obtained with difficulty, losses by law, enemies and mercurial affairs, sorrow through children or an adopted child, domestic trouble through own acts, danger of a violent death." With Wiesenthal in there, and close enough bridged with Ixion and Adolfine (which in this case we could probably associate with Adolf Hitler since we're on the subject of WWII), I wonder if in this possible spy lifeline I got close enough to even smell the Fuhrer...? (and all that close to 12th house cusp...) I should also note that my Wiesenthal semi-sextiles my Annefrank.

Wiesenthal certainly suffered losses through legality with the Nazi regime, that is for certain. This alignment makes me wonder what my true purpose and activity in WWII really was.

Another one:
** Prenatal Solar Eclipse ** @ 17 Ari 26'9"
99949 Miepgies @ 17 Ari 28'51" (R) - One of the Dutch citizens who hid Anne Frank and her family. She recovered the diary and kept it safe until 1947, when it was given to Anne's father, Otto Frank.
446 Aeternitas @ 17 Ari 43'41" (R) - Eternity?

This particular stellium is opposition to the Venus portion of my Mars/Pluto/Venus stellium, of which Annefrank is a part of.

I am absolutely convinced I was around in my previous life during WWII based on this, and likely in Europe. I do have a fascination with World War II-era history. Yes, a lot of this fascination is the Nazi rise to power and their power structure, and I do want to know more about what the SS were up to with the Occult. "Know thy enemy" is the phrase that goes through my head as I research this. Particular interest in Adolf Hitler and what made that guy tick (though I have never read even a small part of Mein Kampf that I can recall, which would undoubtedly give me a glimpse into his mind). I wonder if I'm not afraid of "turning" from exposure, or if I'm just distracted from researching further.

(I will say I also have a major fascination with the events leading up to the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, so I can only speculate if I had any involvement in the Pacific Theater after V-E day...)

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posted May 17, 2012 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steppenwolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi BlackSeraph -

Thank you for your sharing!

I will be back to re read and comment in the next few days as I'm running around a bit for the next few days.

I wanted to say thank you and also to tell you about the only book I've ever read about Hitler - well I haven't finished it yet and it's a bit out there but an interesting read.

It is called the Spear of Destiny by Trevor Ravenscroft, I'm not sure how factual or true it is...I'm only on chapter 5 but taking lots of notes because a lot of the information is new to me. Check out the description as I haven't read enough to give a good account. 

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posted May 17, 2012 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlackSeraph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do remember hearing the legends of Hitler seeking the Spear of Destiny... I think I heard that Napoleon Bonaparte also sought that spear, not sure where though.

Puts the "first two of the three antichrists" thing of Nostradamus into a new perspective (Napoleon and Hitler said to be the first two, with whoever "Mabus" is as being the third, assuming that's what he even meant), although I'm sure they weren't the only ones who sought it...

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posted May 18, 2012 06:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1000 thumbs to Steppenwolf for starting this topic and same to Jovian and BlackSeraph for very useful replies.

I was about to say AnneFrank and Schindler to assess capture and escape. Sun, Moon or Ascendant square Asteroid GERMANIA could indicate suffering in WW2 Germany.

Nessus conjunct or square RUSSIA or GERMANIA or CHINA is indicative of abuse in a Gulag.

Look at harsh aspects to HIROSHIMA and NIPPONIA for suffering in WW2 Japan.

Affliction from Fixed Star ALGOL is another clincher of WW1 or WW2 suffering.

Some aspects may indicate that a person was the oppressor than victim. This is the ugly part of past life regression or past life astrological analysis. Only when one is at peace with oneself and has forgiven oneself should one venture into past life research.

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posted May 18, 2012 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's good advice iQ

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posted May 18, 2012 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlackSeraph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, iQ, you piqued my curiosity and I noticed several more things in my chart now...

2247 Hiroshima @ 12 Sco 31'24" is tightly conjunct natal Uranus and semi-sextile Mars/Annefrank. The irony that Little Boy was powered by Uranium is stunning. Hiroshima/Uranus also trines Nessus on Sirius in Cancer in my chart. It is only fitting Nessus is in my 8th house and Hiroshima/Uranus in my 12th house.

727 Nipponia @ 26 Vir 25'26" with my North Node is just out of orb of trining 1125 China @ 24 Cap 0'21" (Rx). China is also with my 1930 Lucifer @ 22 Cap 22'14" (Rx) and Juno @ 25 Cap 6'11" (Rx) on the other side. very intriguing. Also, China opposes my Black Moon Lilith. Not sure what to say there.

Also, 232 Russia @ 21 Aqu 9'14" (Rx) opposes my Mercury and trines 241 Germania @ 22 Lib 7'48" (which itself conjuncts 2598 Merlin @ 21 Lib 1'50", which that is with 2597 Arthur @ 19 Lib 54'30", 3989 Odin @ 19 Lib 1'28" and 69230 Hermes @ 19 Lib 6'19" (bringing this within 2 degrees of Tesla which touches the Venus part of Mars/Pluto/Venus)... ...did I infiltrate the Theosophical Society or something? ...does anyone know if the Allies actively worked, covertly or otherwise, to foil Nazi occult activity?

5790 Nagasaki @ 15 Leo 6'0" also appears to sextile Venus/Pluto... (...Fat Man had a plutonium core...) Also trines my Neptune in Sagittarius.

Speaking of Sagittarius, I found 2250 Stalingrad @ 12 Sag 16'2" (a MAJOR battle!), conjunct Vesta @ 12 Sag 37'12" and 1582 Martir @ 12 Sag 48'5"... these sextile Mars in Libra and semi-sextile Hiroshima/Uranus.

I will also add 21727 Rhines @ 12 Tau 37'0" conjunct 7507 Israel @ 12 Tau 49'25", both of which are slightly out of orb of conjuncting my Moon/Chiron in Taurus.

This seems to form a Yod Kite, with Mars/Glasgow/Annefrank in Libra (10th house Placidus) sextiling Stalingrad/Vesta/Martir in Sagittarius (1st House), both sets quincunx Rhines/Israel in Taurus (6th house) for the apex, and the drawing of the string to complete the kite by Hiroshima/Uranus in Scorpio (12th house).

Wait, that puts Wiesenthal opposition Israel...

...Who the hell was I? iQ, I think this just got very complicated. I must have had a much bigger role than I thought. There had to be some occult stuff going on. Also, it would appear my Draconic Moon/Chiron is conjunct most tightly natal Wiesenthal/Hiroshima/Uranus... spiritual wounded healing helping pull the bowstring?

...And not to poke fun at this, but it appears 2031 BAM @ 11 Sco 51'59" is also on my Hiroshima/Uranus... According to http://markandrewholmes.com/bam.html : "Astrologically, BAM seems to signify explosions, having to do with explosives or bombs, explosive or sudden events, things or ideas that are exploded." ...

I could use a Guinness after seeing this. (transit Neptune opposite natal Sun/Saturn influence notwithstanding).

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posted May 19, 2012 04:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is well known that Hitler was trying to get Occult Artifacts to contact ETs, especially the Spear of Destiny and the Ark of the Covenant. Plan B for him was development of the Atomic Bomb.

With Support of Alien Entities, he could whisk away the Allied nuclear efforts to his secret Castles. His SS Fiends were trying to recruit Franz Bardon for this, Bardon did not cooperate and was tortured.

The Nazi Thule Society worked with Hitler's Inner Circle and they were the first to occupy Antarctica with all their occult stuff and the technological blueprints.

Who knows what extra information the Enigma decoded? A spy in the Thule Society upper echelons could easily have sabotaged Hitlers efforts after getting a tip off from the decryption. You may have known or worked with such a spy or perhaps you were such a spy? To sabotage the Nazis? You could have been an Occult Version of James Bond in WWW2


BTW, The Hiroshima-Nagasaki bombing could also be a powerful Human Sacrifice. Perhaps an appeasement to Dark Entities to stop supporting Hitler's efforts from the Antarctic, and to support the Anglo Saxon Hybrids quest for One World Government ?
Hitler was butchering innocents for exactly such an appeasement. Perhaps you discovered this insidious stuff going on on both sides and were assassintaed for knowing too much?

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posted May 19, 2012 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlackSeraph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, it is entirely possible I was assassinated... maybe years after the war. How would the most recent passing reflect in a chart though?

Found a few more of interest:

9007 James Bond @ 20 Sco 43'22", squares Russia in Aquarius and also squares my Mercury in Leo. Hmm...

17806 Adolfborn @ 25 Sag 54'10" quincunx 20256 Adolfneckar @ 24 Tau 21'37", which itself is conjunct Karma/fixed star Algol.

166570 Adolftrager @ 5 Aqu 33'11" (Rx) square 1534 Nasi @ 5 Tau 15'14", with Nasi conjunct Sedna

And speaking of Thule Society, 279 Thule @ 1 Can 44'34", conjunct 4386 Lust @ 1 Can 18'56" and 85585 Mjolnir @ 1 Can 3'27", all within 4.5 degrees of my 8th house cusp. Those three also sextile 2606 Odessa @ 1 Tau 15'3" (Rx), and they also semisquare Nagasaki in Leo and 42355 Typhon @ 16 tau 15'45" (Rx)/2228 Soyuz-Apollo @ 16 Tau 48'5", and sesququadrate 136 Austria @ 16 Sco 10'17".

It's plausible.

I'm wondering if I didn't attract the unwelcome attention of the Nazis, the Allies and the Soviets... this is painting a very interesting picture.

P.S. back to Nipponia/North Node, it appears 5283 Pyrrhus @ 26 vir 14'24" is also with them. Hmm... (This puts 2807 Karl Marx @ 28 Pis 17'47" with my South Node, both squaring 2046 Leningrad @ 28 Sag 15'55", not sure what that entails.)

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posted May 20, 2012 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jovian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Steppenwolf:
Jovian,

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I want to express my gratitude for your help and encouragement, it is deeply appreciated!!

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did you have to learn to trust your intuition during meditation/past life memories and feelings surfacing?

I am learning how to do this and i FEEL myself trusting my intuition more but still doubt myself.


Steppenwolf –

Well, you are welcome, though you were the one brave enough to start this important topic. It just happens to be a realm I've spent a lot of time contemplating, in this life, so far. ..For me, it eventually became natural to think in terms of past lives when there was some incongruent emotion, some internal block, in my current life that appears to have no current cause.

This brings to mind an apparent recent lifetime. (This discussion is not related to asteroids, of course, but is perhaps an important complement to the topic at hand, and hopefully of value to someone seeking to help themselves.)

...For some while, I was questioning if I had been abused as a child in this life, and had repressed memories, because of various emotions I held, and blocks to physical intimacy with partners. ...Several years ago, I was drawn to start reading voraciously about ritual abuse of children, which some people unfortunately still can't imagine is possible, and thus it continues to stay hidden from common awareness. Yet I sensed it to be very true, in reading several accounts. Eventually, some pieces of a picture started coming together...some sense that my “daddy” had done something unthinkable to me. ...I sensed it to be not this life, however; though it did seem a recent time. I sensed a year, which was either 1963 or 1965. (I was born in 1971). ...These were things that came to me in bits, and took form, as I continued to focus on this feeling over time.

I actually did go attempt a past-life regression at that time, about four years ago (something I had made multiple attempts to do, in years prior, but was just not ready for—perhaps not ready to let the lifetimes “go.”). Though perhaps others have an easier time succumbing to deep hypnosis, it was not as tidy as some accounts might have you believe—of you being put into deep trance and some clear story coming out. I was quite aware and self-conscious, thus had a hard time “letting go” and sensing myself in another realm, as the typical steps leading down deeper and deeper that most hypnosis techniques aim for. After perhaps having the therapist talk you through relaxation through each part of your body, she/he goes into some script to attempt to subdue the conscious mind, and encourage the unconscious to come forward, in a guided meditation kind of thing (though it was stated that your conscious mind would continue to be aware, as it isn't a trance state). “You are walking in the woods on a path... you sense the peaceful calm around you...see the trees...etc. You eventually come upon a lake...there is a bridge...you start walking over it. ..At the end of the bridge, you step off... What do you see?” (I am making this up and shortening for example, but perhaps you get the gist of it.)

I think the general thought is that one gets more comfortable and more successful at these attempts over time. As well, I am certain there is great differences between the natural abilities of practitioners, and who is best for you, personally, as with any therapist. However, it is a costly endeavor to tinker at repeatedly (unless you have some remarkable mental health coverage in an insurance policy!) My most valuable work has been on my own. I guess there was indeed, however, some small desire in me to have someone else, outside of my own mind, to see, to “confirm,” the sense that I had arrived at, about these things, especially for certain lifetimes, which perhaps I'll share another time.

In any event, at this first attempt, each prompting of the practitioner had me feeling I was “forcing” something, and I questioned everything that came up. It was open-ended, not trying to access any specific lifetime. I ended up coming up with the sense of being a very innocent, loving, small boy, who had been sexually abused by his father, regularly I feel, over his short life. ...I kind of “became” the little boy, and had a furrowed brow, and pout, at being asked uncomfortable questions about what the father did to “me.” I didn't sense any mother around (which seems to be a theme for me—no pleasant maternal influences). He managed to recall a person who did care about him in that life—an older brother—and this caused me to start crying. I came up with first names for this boy and his brother, though again, it was uncomfortable, having half my brain analyzing—I couldn't turn it off!--and half trying to tune in to this stuff, so I continued to doubt it all. He died at age six or seven, it seemed. The practitioner then had me see my soul as leaving for the spirit world, and to 'review' his life, and feel peace at it being over; and have the boy, in spirit, 'age' peacefully, and separate from the trauma of it.

While this was interesting, it was nothing earth-shattering, as I had already pretty much arrived at the sense of that lifetime on my own. ...I feel strongly that this was a lifetime immediately preceding my current one. The traumatic and short life left me with the confusion that I spoke of. —Was this sense of having endured something coming from repressed early years of this life, or another.? …Perhaps residual trauma of that life is related to the habit I had, as a young child of five or six, of getting quite sick to my stomach and throwing up repeatedly, around my birthday and Christmas. ...If it was not just the anxious excitement of these times, could it be related to having endured ritual trauma, which I've read can be related especially to holidays? I don't yet have a clear answer about why I was compelled to investigate ritual abuse. For now, I presume that the boy endured something akin to it, as the accounts I read really struck me. ...In this life, I recall at age six laying in bed at night and starting to cry. My mother came in my room, and I asked her if anyone would visit my grave if I died.

Do I have any "proof" that "I" was this boy named Peter, born in 1963/1965, who was abused and who died when he was six? No. All the "proof" that matters to me in this case is the sense of relief, of having released some painful emotions and fears I'd been carrying, of "healing the child within," as they say.

There was still another rather sad recent lifetime I also purged around that time, just before this "little boy" one, in which it seems I died as a teenage girl on the streets, having again been abused by a father. Learning about the use and abuse of power seems to be a theme (This jibes with my numerological lifepath of 8). ...This would have been after the apparent lifetime in the Nazi era...though there are certainly people who seem to recall overlapping lifetimes (a subject for another time!).

That was about four years ago. I did go for another regression, with another person, last fall. ...I felt I was noticeably more comfortable tuning in to a few other personae, with this last attempt. I'll perhaps share that another time.

I will reiterate, though, that 95% of my healing of these “past lives” has been on my own.

...Regarding trusting myself...hmm. I don't feel it was all that hard to do. When strong, distinct emotions are there, how can you doubt them? Where did they come from, if there is nothing in the current life that can account for them? If you have a feeling, such as “why do I feel so guilty about Ann? What on earth have I ever done to her, to warrant this distinct feeling of guilt?” If you trust that everything has a cause, and you have a clear conscience about your current relationship with her, then such strong feeling has to have an origin somewhere, right?

As I said, I think the fact that I was in the habit of meditating at the time, of having a clear, quiet mind, allowed me to trust feelings that arose, apparently “from nowhere.” ...I guess if I tune in to some likely past-life scenario, and sit with it for a while--several days/weeks/whatever--and I sense nothing internally coming up to cause me to doubt my initial feelings, then I tend to trust that I didn't “concoct” it with my intellect somehow--if that is even possible--and that I am near the truth, as I am to understand it, as it is meant to appear to me, in order to help heal something.

...I hope you will continue to share here whatever insights you perceive, in your own, unique journey.

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