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Topic: question for IQ- karmic asteroids
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doommlord
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From: israel
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posted June 07, 2012 01:57 PM
  
dear IQ  i have been reading on this forum about karmic influence (like saturn and NN) and heard there are karmic asteroids what are karmic asteroids? how do they effect people? what asteroids are they (names) ? IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted June 07, 2012 02:39 PM
Personally, because I believe in re-incarnation, I think one's entire chart shows our karma for this life.Specifically, the 2 main asteroids that come to mind are Karma and Destinn. Just chiming in here till iQ finds the time to reply. Hope you don't mind. IP: Logged |
doommlord
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From: israel
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posted June 07, 2012 02:46 PM
not at all you seem like a nice person looking at the asteroids you said i have this: karma conj moon at leo (1 degree exactly) in the 7th house any other aspects ar too far away what could this mean? IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted June 07, 2012 03:34 PM
Hi Doomlord and thanks I'm pretty new and still learning myself. So I'd def. wait for the last word on it from iQ. Meanwhile, I'll take a stab at it. Karma in the 7th hse of relationships very simply would mean you have relationship karma that needs to be cleared. Conjunct Moon in 7th would add to the picture by indicating that it would be through the people you have emotional connections with that you will be able to clear this karma. I would understand this to mean that you would need to learn to love unconditionally as much as possible, putting aside ego (especially since Moon is in Leo), in order to be able to rise above all relationship karma. As iQ has already pointed out your strength lies in being able to use your Merc./Chiron conjunction in the 8th. Since the 8th concerns (among other things) matters related to joint resources including (I feel) sharing yourself with others mentally, emotionally, physically, as well as spiritually, your ability to use this conjunction effectively will most likely bring about your own healing. To add to what iQ said about aiming for the best, I would add particularly in relationships. As you master loving others unconditionally, your relationship karma will clear, and at the same time, will also heal you. Hope this helps while you wait for iQ to respond. IP: Logged |
kanwalratan
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posted June 07, 2012 04:16 PM
what would karma conj chiron mean?IP: Logged |
doommlord
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posted June 08, 2012 12:32 AM
thats a very interesting interpretation linda i must say relationships is one of the most important thing in my life i guess its the karma calling me XD IP: Logged |
doommlord
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posted June 09, 2012 05:37 AM
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doommlord
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posted June 11, 2012 03:14 AM
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iQ
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posted June 11, 2012 08:41 AM
Hi Doomlord,
I think LindaJones has answered your query exceptionally well.IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted June 11, 2012 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by iQ:
Hi Doomlord,
I think LindaJones has answered your query exceptionally well.
THANK YOU iQ!!! That is very, very high praise and completely unexpected as I thought I hadn't done a good job of it, so shouldn't even have attempted.
**OK, now loses cool completely**
HEY FOLKS ... EVERYBODY ... ALL OF LINDALAND!!! iQ gave me a thumbs up!!!!!!!!! Did yall hear what I said????? No? K, I'll say it again!! iQ gave me a thumbs up!!!!!!!  AND said I did EXCEPTIONALLY WELL in my interp!!!!  
**K, cool restored now**
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mirage29
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posted June 11, 2012 02:24 PM
Linda Jones... YOU are so funny!! Thanks for making me laugh!IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted June 11, 2012 02:41 PM
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Linda Jones... YOU are so funny!! Thanks for making me laugh!
You're welcome, mirage, anytime  IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted June 11, 2012 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
THANK YOU iQ!!! That is very, very high praise and completely unexpected as I thought I hadn't done a good job of it, so shouldn't even have attempted.
**OK, now loses cool completely**
HEY FOLKS ... EVERYBODY ... ALL OF LINDALAND!!! iQ gave me a thumbs up!!!!!!!!! Did yall hear what I said????? No? K, I'll say it again!! iQ gave me a thumbs up!!!!!!! AND said I did EXCEPTIONALLY WELL in my interp!!!!
**K, cool restored now**
Ahhh ur so adorable!!
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Linda Jones
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posted June 11, 2012 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by Lioness:
Ahhh ur so adorable!!
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juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
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posted June 11, 2012 07:31 PM
Excellent Linda I also believe, if asteroids have influence, Karma would have a large amount of influence. We do live out our individual karma, group karma and create new karma so.... ------------------
As Angels above guide Human beings, Human Beings have the opportunity to be Angels on Earth, who guide the Animal kingdom. - Da Vinci IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted June 11, 2012 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by juniperb:
Excellent Linda I also believe, if asteroids have influence, Karma would have a large amount of influence. We do live out our individual karma, group karma and create new karma so....
WOW!! A second thumbs up!!! Thanks Juni! Gosh I'd better check the alignment of stars for today!! And Juni, you're sooo right about Karma having a large amount of influence (if one believes they affect us, you said), because in my research I read iQ mentioning that Karma has about the same amount of influence as Saturn. IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted June 11, 2012 09:31 PM
You rock linda jones!!  IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted June 12, 2012 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by Lioness:
You rock linda jones!!
Gee thanks, Lioness!!! You rock yourself, awesomely so, imao I'm so filled with happiness I could burst!!! IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted June 12, 2012 12:46 AM
Hey Linda.. do mine, do mine..LOLMy Karma at 27Libra, conjunct my 8th cusp. Sextile mars
sq my NN
sextile Jupiter Thats it, I think
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iQ
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posted June 12, 2012 06:34 AM
Asteroid Karma gives us a focused clarity on our main karmic debt. Saturn's influence is encyclopaedic as it has a biological influence, Astral influence and genetic influence. Ultimately, Saturn is the most potent force in Karmic Astrology. We use Asteroids like Karma to fine tune our understanding of Saturn.Example: Saturn in Leo will delay or restrict any kind of long lasting fame. It will make it difficult to become the center of attraction. The past life-stream may have seen an overdose of Self Centered behavior, overpowering screen presence or even NPD/megalomania from excessive fame. If Asteroid Karma is in Capricorn for a Saturn in Leo person, then the main debt in this misused fame came from business/association with a big boss of a corproration etc. Thus, seeking fame in business or corporate career would become heavily restricted. ------------------
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juniperb
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posted June 12, 2012 08:12 AM
Interesting IQ. How about sun conj Karma? I have found so much info, not sure where to fine tune it. Especially with moon conj Sauer. ------------------
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ueharaa
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posted June 12, 2012 11:59 AM
Can we consider Karma to be a sort of "mini Saturn" when in aspect to personal planet (or outer planets?) in the natal chart and in synastry or are its effects and the way it works completely different from saturn? I would think that saturn was more indicative of where were likely to meet restrictions, delays, limitations and where we have a lot of lessons to learn and growing to do, while karma would be indicative of the actual nature of our debt. I had this idea that saturn was more about growth in the sense that if you manage to learn the lessons and do not repeat the mistakes of misuse and abuse, you might actually get over saturn restrictions and limitations as a better individual, while karma is mainly about repaying your debt, and clearing your karma. But I was wondering how does this play out in the natal chart or in synastry ?
How is venus conjunct karma different from venus conjunct saturn? In my chart I have saturn conjunct karma in capricorn in the 6th house, widely (7°) conjunct my sun and tightly opposite my chiron. I've been wondering if it is a double dose of restrictions or if I'm supposed to repay my karmic debt through saturn, ie restrictions, limitations and responsibilities / duties in daily life. IP: Logged |
iQ
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posted June 12, 2012 01:45 PM
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Can we consider Karma to be a sort of "mini Saturn" when in aspect to personal planet (or outer planets?) in the natal chart and in synastry or are its effects and the way it works completely different from saturn?
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Asteroid Karma helps us know the most important past "personal Action oriented" debts or rewards. Asteroid Karma has no effect whatsoever in our genetic or neurological structure but Planet Saturn packs a punch. In a certain way, Saturn IS Astrology. The Matrix of unemotional "Archons" who record every reaction of ours based on the impulse from Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Asteroids and Jupiter is Saturn personified, coldly waiting to punish or reward. Punish or Reward as long as your Soul stays in the Game of Maya.
Saturn will tempt [Remember Agent Smith of Matrix? ] through ambition if he detects you are about to escape this 3D Prison with a little help from Uranus, Neptune and Pluto.Most of our Corporate Barons, Government Tyrants and Aristocrats/Monarchs are appointed almost personally by Saturn, based on their penances of previous births or Astral Existences. Asteroid Karma has no such role. <<
How is venus conjunct karma different from venus conjunct saturn?
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Venus conjunct Karma is a specific debt or reward in matters of love. Venus conjunct Saturn comprises a broad spectrum: Interference of Old Relatives, Cash Restrictions, Potency Problems, Problems from Establishments or Orthodox Religions in matters of love, Greed, Sexual Ambition, Kidnapped into Prostitution by a Mafia don, Loss of health, Inability to feel the warmth of affection and even White Collar Crime related to banks. <<
In my chart I have saturn conjunct karma in capricorn in the 6th house, widely (7�) conjunct my sun and tightly opposite my chiron. I've been wondering if it is a double dose of restrictions or if I'm supposed to repay my karmic debt through saturn, ie restrictions, limitations and responsibilities / duties in daily life.
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Not a double dose of restriction at all. Your second point is correct. ------------------
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Linda Jones
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posted June 12, 2012 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by iQ:
Asteroid Karma gives us a focused clarity on our main karmic debt. Saturn's influence is encyclopaedic as it has a biological influence, Astral influence and genetic influence. Ultimately, Saturn is the most potent force in Karmic Astrology. We use Asteroids like Karma to fine tune our understanding of Saturn.Example: Saturn in Leo will delay or restrict any kind of long lasting fame. It will make it difficult to become the center of attraction. The past life-stream may have seen an overdose of Self Centered behavior, overpowering screen presence or even NPD/megalomania from excessive fame. If Asteroid Karma is in Capricorn for a Saturn in Leo person, then the main debt in this misused fame came from business/association with a big boss of a corproration etc. Thus, seeking fame in business or corporate career would become heavily restricted.
iQ, thank you for explaining how Karma fine tunes Saturn. Your example is very helpful in understanding this. IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted June 12, 2012 01:52 PM
@ doomLord,My apologies for having a bit of a party on your thread yesterday. Am completely sober now IP: Logged |
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