posted June 20, 2010 08:55 PM            

Does anyone have more information about Lucifer (number: 1930)?
Does it mean anything in your chart?

The only aspect I have is Venus square Lucifer but it's out of sign.

posted June 20, 2010 09:13 PM            

Well it turns out Hitler was definitely a Taurus Sun, because the Sun was in Taurus the entire day (from 12:01 AM) - in the city where he was born. And secondly - if he was born before 7 AM his Moon would be Sagittarius and not Capricorn.

This is kind of interesting because Lucifer is at 28' Sagittarius in his chart - possibly conjunct his Moon.
(As far as I know Hitler's mother was actually Jewish and he had some "problems" with her.. I'm sure I read something along those lines).

It's also interesting that Sagittarius rules foreigners and foreign things. Maybe the sign where you have Lucifer is one that becomes distorted in some way.

I'm just spouting out random ideas..

posted June 20, 2010 09:51 PM            

It also refered to the dawn appearance of the planet, Venus. Morning Star

Lucifer means "light bearer"

Lucifer is also the name of a 4th Century bishop that was made a saint.

Lucifer is also a name of a sea life form. a prawn

asteroid,Lucifer was discovered on October 29, 1964.
(October 29th is my birthday)

the astrological meaning of Lucifer doesn't have to mean evil. It could mean bringing light in a literal or figurative way.

In my own chart:

Lucifer in 17'58 Virgo
sextile Mercury (my chart ruler) in 18'21 Scorpio
the opportunity to bring light when I communicate

Geocentric North Lucifer Node in 25'37 Capricorn
trine Juno in 26'26 Virgo
a personal association of bringing light in harmony with committed relationship,partnership,marriage

Geocentric South Lucifer Node in 4'09 Virgo
oppose Moon in 3'11 Pisces
a past personal association of bringing light at odds with my emotional nature,feelings,women

There is also the Heliocentric Chart which is said to reflect the higher self.
Heliocentric means Sun-centered. The chart is looked at from the perspective of the Sun. The Earth is the most important placement in the heliocentric chart. Its position is exactly oppose the Sun's placement in the Geocentric chart.

in my heliocentric chart:

Lucifer in 4'48 Virgo
trine Earth in 5'20 Taurus
the body,the physical constitution,the environment in harmony with bringing light

Hitler's Sun was modified by a conjunction to transneptunian dwarf planet,Makemake with 1'08 orb. Makemake was also square his Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis with 2'13 orb.

Makemake in 1'56 Taurus
conjunct Sun in 0'48 Taurus
square Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 4'10 Leo/Aquarius.

Transneptunian dwarf planets are evolutionary intensified objects. Makemake was named after the Rapanui Fertility Creation God worshipped by the Rapanui who were Polynesian people that lived on Easter Island.

Makemake wasn't discovered until 2005,and so there wouldn't have been any way to know that Hitler had that conjunction.

according to Philip Sedgwick:

Positive: Articulate and ultra-communicative. Self-assuredness, especially by verbal means. Clever, quick-witted and interested in invoking insight and inspiration with speech. Quick to report findings, regardless of impact. Courageous, possessing the willfulness to confront the peril required for discovery or spiritual evolution. Conscious of family security and safety. Protection of the brood.

Negative: Cunning and verbally manipulative. Double talk. Diversion of facts. Declaring false findings (laying an egg, so to speak). Taking flight to avoid consequence. Hiding as a coping skill. Reckless. Disregard for safety of the home. Self-serving.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted June 20, 2010 10:50 PM            

It was biquintile a Saturn-Neptune quintile

Saturn quintile Neptune with 36 minutes of arc
Moon biquintile Saturn with 49 minutes of arc
Moon biquintile Neptune with 12 minutes of arc

with a corresponding midpoint picture of
Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint with 31 minutes of arc

Transneptunian dwarf planet Eris also aspected that 5th harmonic

Eris quintile Moon with 24 minutes of arc
Eris quintile Neptune with 11 minutes of arc
Eris biquintile Saturn with 25 minutes of arc

with corresponding midpoint picture of Eris oppose Moon/Neptune midpoint with 18 minutes of arc

His Moon,Saturn,Neptune,Eris are in a 5th harmonic isosceles trapezoid
Moon/Saturn midpoint in 25'02 Libra
oppose Neptune/Eris midpoint in 24'56 Aries

His Moon also aspected the following objects:

conjunct Jupiter in 8'14 Capricorn
oppose centaur Chiron in 6'50 Cancer
square transneptunian dwarf planet candidate,Sedna in 5'27 Aries

Moon-Jupiter conjunction would have been nice and dandy, but not when it's the apex of a t-square , squaring Chiron-Sedna opposition.

feelings,judgments in conflict with wounds,healing and victimization,abuse

There is a great emotional sensitivity, but it involved emotional trauma. He let his experiences and prejudices influence him to wound, abuse and victimize others.

If you look at his Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude) chart:

Moon in 7'10 Capricorn
Jupiter in 8'57 Capricorn
Eris in 5'44 Aries
Sedna in 8'12 Aries
Chiron in 7'05 Cancer

now Eris is part of the t-square. Eris is a transneptunian dwarf planet named after the Greek Goddess of Discord. It seems that it has do with diversity,equality and not just discord,controversy. In hard aspect configuration, Eris can be about extreme ideology that could lead to bigotry,racism,and disregard of the civil rights of others.

of course with the transneptunians being evolutionary intensified objects, the emotional nature is evolutionary intensified and can be involved in emotional trauma. It could even include the potential for serious psychiatric problems like psychosis.

transneptunians are highly metaphysical oriented objects with their orbits beyond Neptune, the planet associated with dissolution of boundaries,imagination,psychism.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted June 21, 2010 02:54 AM            

I read that Lucifer is Latin for "lightbearer" and used as a name for the dawn appearance of Venus which was known as The Morning Star.

I don't see any negativity in the name. It's the Bible,Christians that made Lucifer into a name that has a bad meaning.

Every object has both positive and negative meanings. I don't see Lucifer being an exception.

positive aspect of Lucifer could be bringing light,bearing light,or illuminating

That's how I would work my Mercury sextile Lucifer in Geocentric chart and Earth trine Lucifer in Heliocentric chart.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted June 21, 2010 03:30 AM            

Lucifer Who Is Enki Who Is Ea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoPg3xMx9m8

The TRUE form of Lucifer - The Fallen Angel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6bWd_Kj0p0&feature=related

Satan and Lucifer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYxcwlhcfBI

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted June 21, 2010 05:10 AM            

I actually remember a romantic poem about "Lucifer" the star.. it put a very different spin on things.

posted June 22, 2010 04:16 AM            

quote:

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You cant fight the dark without having a bit of it

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posted June 22, 2010 08:56 AM            

quote:

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You cant fight the dark without having a bit of it
Think about Homeopathy, it does work.

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Powerful . In my own particular climb out of horrible hole I got myself in to,one of the most important parts is facing my own darkness.This actually is the main part.

posted June 22, 2010 01:12 PM            

Lucifer can go either way.

Just because Biblical Christians view Lucifer as Satan, the devil doesn't dictate what Lucifer actually means and that it's the only meaning. That seems a bit too simplistic.

Heck..all the deities of other mythologies besides the Judae-Christian mythologies are viewed as being false deities and they are often demonized. That goes for the Roman deities that the solar planets are named after. Do we consider them dark energies too? The Sun is also referred to as Sol, The Roman God of the Sun. Solar comes from the name,Sol. The Moon is also referred to as Luna, the Roman Goddess of the Moon. Lunar comes from the name, Luna. According to Judae-Christianity, Sol and Luna would be viewed as false deities.

Astrology is viewed as dark and evil by Biblical Christians, but that doesn't mean that Astrology is dark and evil. If an asteroid is named "Astrology", it wouldn't mean anything dark because of Biblical Christian's belief of Astrology being dark.

I find it interesting that I have Earth conjunct Rudra within 1 degree and Earth trine Lucifer within 1 degree as well as Earth conjunct/oppose the Eris Nodes with 10 minutes of arc.

I think that this could apply to my neurodiversity advocacy

by others that don't share my views of neurodiversity advocacy and alternative spiritual/religious beliefs,
I can be viewed as being a destructive person that is aligned with evil as well as bring about collective discord,controversy

by others that share my views of neurodiversity advocacy and alternative religious,spiritual beliefs, I can be viewed as a transformative person that is an illuminator and advocate for the collective diversity and equality

It's all about the relative perception.

I believe that all objects have both positive and negative meanings. I don't see why Lucifer has to be an exception, especially when it has 2 different meanings.

another thing,
in the Bible, Jesus was also referred to as the Morning Star. It wasn't just Satan that was referred to as that.

Many Biblical Christians use bible verses to condemn things like homosexuality,astrology,witchcraft,magick,religious diversity

If we have asteroids named after those things, those wouldn't necessarily mean anything negative.

The Biblical Christians made Babylonians to be a wicked people. The Babylonians could be viewed as a people that contributed much to science and medicine. That's how I view them. I don't view them as some wicked people. I'd be glad if I have their blood flowing in my veins and/or have pastlives as a Babylonian.

I don't see the asteroid, Babylon to have anything to do with being wicked. I see it as an asteroid that can be about an advanced civilization that made great contributions.

I don't see the asteroid, Babel' as an asteroid that means communication problems because of language differences. I see it as cultural diversity.

In the past, many White Biblical Christians used the Tower of Babel story in the Bible to condone slavery,racism,and anti-miscegenation.

In the mythologies of other cultures, deities rebelled against other deities

In Greek mythology, Zeus,Hera,Poseidon,Hades,Demeter,and Hestia rebelled against their father Cronus who was the supreme deity at the time, and they overthrew him. Zeus became the supreme deity.

Prometheus rebelled against Zeus for he stole fire from the deities and gave it to humankind.
There is an asteroid named after Prometheus too. Planet Uranus' traits seemed to be Promethean.

Apollo and Poseidon rebelled against Zeus, and they were punished by being forced to build the walls of Troy.

Hera rebelled against Zeus,and she was hung upside down in the sky.

A lot of the Judea-Christian mythology has parallels with other mythologies including especially Greek and Roman.

Judae-Christians believe that Jesus was the son of God.

In Greek mythology, the deities had children with mortals, and they were referred to as Demi-Gods. Dionysus was the son of Zeus and the mortal woman,Semele. He became the God of Wine, and he became of the 12 Olympian Gods. Planet Neptune's traits are Dionysus-like. There are parallels between Dionsysus and Jesus.

I wouldn't let The Bible dictate an asteroid's meaning. To me, it's just a book of mythology that I don't take literally.

One person's religion is mythology to another man.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted June 22, 2010 02:16 PM            

i think it's the opposite sides of the same coin. it's good or bad according to the interpreters.

posted June 22, 2010 02:40 PM            

going against the status quo can be about bringing light to others
(Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia leading the rebel alliance against the Galactic Empire)

but

going against the status quo can be about bringing darkness to others too
(Darth Vader killing the Jedi in the Jedi Temple)

both Star Wars examples

a quote from Star Wars: Return of the Jedi

The spirit of Obi-Wan Kenobi said to Luke Skywalker
" Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."

Heck...just being myself, I go against the status quo here in USA.

We can put up a chart for the day of ther asteroid, Lucifer's discovery to get clues about its meaning.

We can also get clues from its meaning by looking at the zodiac sign of its Heliocentric North Node and the zodiac sign of its Perihelion (the nearest point of the object's orbit to the Sun) like Philip Sedgwick.

You can also apply the Sabian Symbols too.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted June 22, 2010 02:42 PM            

How strong are Uranus and Eris in your chart?

Also the transneptunians in general are nonconformists including especially plutinos,scattered disk objects,and detached objects that have highly elliptical orbits.

The centaurs too like Chiron which is known for being a maverick.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted June 22, 2010 02:57 PM            

I have always believed that, too, that Lucifer represents "going against the status", which can have good consequences as well as horrible ones.

My own Lucifer is in Taurus in 5th house, exact conjunct asteroid Actor and PoM and Eros-Psyche-mp and in a grand trine with Venus on 6 Capricorn and Hekate-Lilith on 8 and 6 Virgo.

posted June 22, 2010 02:57 PM            

i do have a very strong Eris though. it is EXACTLY conjunct my 4th house moon, which is conjunct South Node. it's the tail end of my Kite with NN/Pluto, Neptune/Venus, Mars and Moon. oh yea, and it's actually inconjunct Uranus. i have a very prominent disastrous relationship with my mother.

posted June 22, 2010 03:05 PM            

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Means "bringing light", derived from Latin lux "light" and ferre "to bring". In Latin this name originally referred to the morning star, Venus, but later became associated with the chief angel who rebelled against God's rule in heaven. Even later it became associated with Satan himself.

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posted June 22, 2010 03:23 PM            

Heliocentric North Lucifer Node in 19'00 Aquarius - independent,innovative,detached,humanitarian,rebellious
Sabian Symbol 20 Aquarius
A Large White Dove Bearing a Message
"the answer of spiritual agencies to thorough, sustained, and victorious individual efforts"

The Heliocentric Lucifer Nodes happens to square the Heliocentric Mars Nodes in 19'17 Taurus/Scorpio which adds collective assertion,passion,aggression,violence

Lucifer Perihelion in 29'31 Capricorn - ambitious,career-oriented,concerned about status,practical,responsible
Sabian Symbol 30 Capricorn
A Secret Meeting of Men Responsible For Executive Decisions in World Affairs
"the power to assume responsibility for crucial choices arrived at after mature discussions with those who share this power"