posted July 09, 2012 04:32 AM            

BUT

this is between me and a performer here at our theatre (yes I know ); he just caught my eye (well not hard so, he is the type "tall, dark, handsome stranger" with a lot of talent and a confidence on stage, that borders arrogance).

So he caught my eye, intrigued me in a very detached curious, "un-karmic, un-soulmatey" way.
But I was wondering I have seen the typical loving soulmatey synastries, how would the synastry of a completely shallow intrigue look like?

That is how it looks like
(of course his birthtime is unknown)

posted July 09, 2012 02:39 PM            

Oopz making it even a romantic super linkage with his Saturn involved!

Ok, let's look at his Chiron now... hm.. trine to your Lust and Neptune! (which is the most exact? ~ matter of minutes I see) This might become a Lifelong Lust Affair! not bad not bad..

posted July 09, 2012 03:34 PM            

I actually did not notice that there is an exact quinkunx between my Chiron and his Venus. :
But I found it strange that once again a guy`s Venus ends up on 20 Virgo (there is actually no reason I should feel a pull to these; well it is also on the antiscion of my Pluto, but it is not a widely used aspect I guess).

His Chiron trines my Neptune by 0°18
my Chiron quinkunx his Venus by 0°10

Actually there is a Yod of
my Moon sextile my Chiron: 2°56
My Moon quinkunx his Venus: 3°06
my Chiron qinkunx his Venus: 0°10

It`s widish for Magi-ideas, but if there is a configuration they extend the orb of one aspect a bit.
Moon can be counted, as my birthtime is known.

There`s also a Grand Trine of:
his Chiron trine his Mars: 2°25
his Chiron trine my Neptune: 0°18
his Mars trine my Neptune: 2°07

And a Yod with his Juno

his Juno quinkunx my Neptune: 0°02
his Juno quinkunx my Pluto: 0°53

A Mystical triangle, which is a SExual Dragon at the same time. (though with extended orb, but within allowance). lol

my Venus squares my Pluto 2°56
my Venus trines his Juno 3°50
my Pluto quinkunx his Juno 0°53

There is another Mystical triangle, also a Sexual Dragon

(his Sun square his Juno: 3°07)
his Mars square his Juno: 2°09
his Juno trine my Venus: 3°50
his Sun quinkunx my Venus: 0°43
his Mars quinkunx my Venus: 1°41

actually those are two interlocking mystical triangles, of sexual planets (Venus, Mars, Pluto, Juno).

That is..... fascinating. *speaking in Spock-voice*

I think these two mystical triangles together form an "Iron Butterfly"

1 trine at base:
his Juno trine my Venus
2 squares on side:
his Juno square his Mars
my Venus square my Pluto

2 quinkunx inside:
his Mars quinkunx my Venus
his Juno quinkunx my Pluto

1 sextile on top:
his Mars sextile my Pluto

Sorry, I think I got carried away a little.

posted July 09, 2012 04:51 PM            

Even a sexual IRON BUTTERFLY (that's one yea) which even contains a Dragon point!

No wonder he caught your eye (to say the least ) and prob. you also caught his'.. somewhere somehow ~if he's not that approachable~ but if he *IS*... woeww!

posted July 09, 2012 06:38 PM            

Yes, those other aspects that Magi considers significant for sexual chemistry -- the Juno to Pluto and Venus - are also plentiful. As well, Venus in that particular quincunx degree to your Chiron..."again"...certainly jibes with the Magi idea of that as an "ultimate soulmate linkage."

However, regarding inconjuncts, in my (very) limited experience, I am intrigued with the idea that synastry might suggest the same type of interaction as a natal inconjunct does - that the two energies don't initially understand or recognize each other, and that it takes time to find a connection, though both feel the compulsion to understand the other and come together.

Though this is from her description of natal inconjuncts, I find Dawn Bodrogi's description apt:
http://theinnerwheel.com/2010/07/21/the-tale-of-the-inconjuncts-part-three-the-sem i-sextile/

"The theme of both inconjuncts is patience. We must have the patience to know that a path will reveal itself, and the strength to face the destruction of the ego’s intentions. We must sit still and wait for the patterns of the universe to reveal our next step, and trust that the fog of our own internal clutter will lift, and we will be guided forward, little by little."

In the case of your seeing this fellow for just one (or just a few) occasion, this theory of the inconjunct's energy as one that develops over time would possibly eliminate the inconjuncts from what contributed to an *immediate* attraction to him...though would certainly suggest something for a worthwhile long-term relationship. ...Just an idea.

posted July 09, 2012 09:04 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Jovian:
Ooh...Lioness just bumped her other thread...where you give a description of the different Liliths. Interesting!

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I thought I felt someone talking about me..
hehehehe...

Ceri..
I noticed the Venus/Uranus Sq.. Instant electric attraction.
Your Mars trines his sun/mars.
He is your type of guy.

posted July 09, 2012 09:24 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Jovian:
Ceridwen - How in the he-- do you get the birth dates of people you don't know (i.e latest actor crush)??

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GOOGLE!!

Or this website has just about every celebrity's birth info.

posted July 09, 2012 11:19 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Jovian:
[Please excuse this side note to Linda J: Get your a-- back here! Your contribution is missed...]

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LOL!!! Thanks Jovian! Just got back a short while ago. I explained in detail in Lioness's thread--
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/001168.html

posted July 10, 2012 06:04 AM            

"Even a sexual IRON BUTTERFLY (that's one yea) which even contains a Dragon point!"
Well, I guess that doesn`t happen too often. lol

"No wonder he caught your eye (to say the least ) and prob. you also caught his'.."
It is not entirely impossible, but...

" somewhere somehow ~if he's not that approachable~ "
He`s not really approachable. And to be honest, I wouldnīt want to approach him.
I donīt know as I said he simply got my attention, and for the time he`s on stage this is alright,b ut it doesn`t go beyond that.

"
The entire world in only the Geo-long . . . if that isn't the dream of every Magi-schoolgirl... "
Lol
There could be a few more Super Romance linkages (thought the GT of Chiron-Neptune-Mars looks nice) Ithink.

What I found interesting is that this must be the absolute first synastry I have seen without any Saturn-clashes. I always have a LOT of these. lol

In NEITHER of the four dimensions!

Actually I have seen other, more romantic synastries, but anyway, looking at the helios I saw these:

The geocentric GT pops up in helio as well.
his Chiron 7 Aries
his Mars 8.Leo
my Neptune 9 Sagittarius

Also
his Juno on 11. Aries
his Mars on 8. Leo
my Neptune 9 Sagittarius

And in the latitudes

my Chiron latitude his Venus 0°02
my Chiron latitude his Uranus 0°03
my Uranus latitude his Venus 0°11

my Venus contralat. his MErcury 0°14
my Venus contralat his Mars 0°03
my Venus contralat his Neptune 0°12
my Neptune lat his Mars 0°16
my Neptune lat his Neptune 0°07

plus a conjuncted trine with Vesta

his Earth/Moon 6 Aquarius
his Vesta 6 Libra
my Pluto 7 Libra

posted July 10, 2012 06:13 AM            

Mir brought Magi astrology up, and quinkunxes are seen as MAGIcal angles int his system; so I stuck to their rules, as it makes sense in their system.

Personally if I am doing astrology MY style, it is closer to what Dawn Bodrogi wrote (I love her articles btw)

"The first thing I noticed, considering the nature of your stated attraction, was your honking Mars/Lust/Asc/Neptune conjunction (which I assume contributes to your general crushing on actors?)"
Yes, it could contribute to this.
I also have asteroid ACTOR on 7 Taurus in my 5th house EXACTLY conjunct both, Part of Marriage and Eros/Psyche-mp, (and Lucifer ) and being part of the GT to VEnus/Isis/Osiris on 6-8 Cap, and Lilith/Rudra/Hekate on 6-8 Virgo.
actually this is a Kite, as the Virgo-stellium is opposed to Pholus/Ceres/Horus on 6-8 Pisces.

"hat the two energies don't initially understand or recognize each other"
I very much agree with that personally, as the connected signs have NOTHING in common, neither element nor modality, and the elements are incompatible to each other (unlike with the sextle where the elements are compatible)

"what contributed to an *immediate* attraction to him...though would certainly suggest something for a worthwhile long-term relationship. ...Just an idea."
I wouldn`t even call this "attraction"; he just caught my attention, that`s all.

Well, having said that his pr Mars has just come into the "window of opportunity" of 2 degrees applying to a trine with my natal Venus. lol

"I realize upon perusing the old posts here that you've been looking at this stuff a long time"
Well, I always aprreciate a new fresh different perspective which might add to my ideas.
In his case part of why he caught my eye probably also has to do with his natal. He has Venus-Pluto-conjunction and my Venus-Pluto-square always reacts to Pluto in a way.

posted July 10, 2012 06:15 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Jovian:
...Also noticed your
-- Oscillating Lilith (whichever Lilith that is) OPP his Mercury
-- Moon OPP his Osc. Lilith

Meaning?

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Yes, I found the fact that his BML is opposite my Moon very interesting. It is a bit like a Moon/Pluto-Moon aspect. lol

posted July 10, 2012 06:17 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Jovian:
Ceridwen - How in the he-- do you get the birth dates of people you don't know (i.e latest actor crush)??

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Well, astrotheme wouldn`t help in this case, as he is "just" an actor at the local theatre, not known at all.
But he has a wikipedia site.

And on one occasion (another performer) I actually walked up to the guy after a show and asked him for his birthtime.
He was so cute to even call his mom (at midnight. lol) to ask for the exact time he was being born.

Well, his Sun/Moon/MC falls exactly onto my Sun/Mercury in my 1st house - so maybe that is why.

posted July 10, 2012 06:27 AM            

"Ceri..
I noticed the Venus/Uranus Sq.. Instant electric attraction. "
Yes, I noticed that, too.
And I don`t think it is a coincidence, that i noticed him (he has been about 10 years at our theatre without me noticing him at all. lol), when Tr Uranus was starting to square my natal Venus.

Natally he seems to have Uranus square Moon, and I have an Aqua-Moon, so the synchronicity seems to fit.

Of course Uranus squre Venus usually means a flash in the pan, which is exactly what that is. But there is nothing else to do, and I like doing synastries, so why not doing his and mine?`It is a new one after all.
There really is nothing deeper behind it. Just curiosity and wanting to waste time in an enjoyable way, which for me is doing astrology. lol

"Your Mars trines his sun/mars.
He is your type of guy. "
Actually, not really, methinks.
Well, I don`t really know him.
I just wanted to say that i am not that much into male Leos anyway, but some memories of fleeting crushs came back to me, and there were quite some Leos among them (Sun or Moon), so, oh well.

Well, as a matter of fact his Mars/Sun-conjunction in Leo reflects my DESC-ruler being conjunct Sun.

There is much too little Saturn in his chart though, for him to really be my type.

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Maybe its his Neptune in your 12th, thats making you "fantasize" about him.."
WEll, a whole generation has their Neptune in my 12th and I Don`t fantasize about him.

"Dont say your not....
You know you are "
LOL
You KNEW I would say that, didn`t you?
Firesigns....

Where are your Leo planets exactly? And are they opposing my Moon?

posted July 10, 2012 08:47 AM            

Pretty striking also the verrry tight MAGIcal RSL in latitudes and ofcourse NO Saturn-clashes .. hmm never seen that.

posted July 10, 2012 08:49 AM            

quadrupled? Really? Transdimensional quadruples the power?

So I guess that Mars-Neptune-Chiron really seems to be a focal point in that synasry.

posted July 10, 2012 09:28 AM            

synastry
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Sun trine Mars
Sun trine Lust exact
Sun trine ASC exact
Sun trine IC

Mercury opposite BML exact
Mercury square Valentine

Mars trine Lust exact
Mars trine ASC exact

Jupiter trine BML exact

Uranus square Venus exact
Uranus conjunct MC exact
Uranus trine DESC

Neptune square BML exact
Neptune conjunct Valentine exact

Pluto square Sun exact
Pluto square Mercury exact

NN trine Uranus
NN square Amor exact

Chiron trine Neptune exact
Chiron trine NN exact
Chiron opposite Pluto

Ceres trine Venus

Karma conjunct Karma
Karma trine Aphrodite exact

BML opposite MOon

Amor square Saturn
Amor conjunct Chiron

Valentine conjunct Sun
Valentine conjunct Mercury

Eros conjunct Vesta exact

Psyche opposite Amor exact

Aphrodite conjunct Uranus exact

Lust trine DESC
Lust trine MC exact

composite
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Sun conjunct Uranus
Sun opposite Chiron
Sun opposite Juno
Sun trine Karma

Mercury trine Pallas

Venus conjunct Vesta wide

Mars square Jupiter
Mars conjunct Pluto wide (4-5)
Mars opposite Ceres exact
Mars square Lust exact

Jupiter conjunct Lust

Saturn trine Uranus exact

NN trine BML exact
NN square Aphrodite exact

Chiron conjunct Juno
Chiron trine Valentine
Chiron oposite ERos wide
Chiron conjunct Psyche

Ceres square Lust exact

Juno trine Valentine exact
Juno opposite Eros
Juno conjunct Psyche exact

Karma opposite Valentine

Amor trine Eros

Valentine trine Psyche exact (and sextile Eros exact)

Eros opposite Psyche

I really have too much time. lol

EDIT:
Oh I was looking for soulmate couples in composite

Eros opposite Psyche (1)
Pluto conjunct Persephone (3)
Adonis conjunct Aphrodite and trine Inannen exact

posted July 10, 2012 09:53 AM            

That is a pretty composite, though!

Hmm... This idea--that you (Ceridwen) seem to have remarkable synastry on paper with many people brings up a topic of just what makes us engage in actual relationships with others? What are those factors? Are they evident in synastry? Are we overlooking something? (...Again, something that's probably been discussed here, somewhere,...probably by you!) You attempted here to discern what indicated just a superficial draw to someone, but you found indicators that are obviously also touted as deeper connections. So--what makes us actuallly find it worthwhile to engage?

Hmm...Well, okay--there IS a lot of Lust/Mars/Juno stuff in this one... True! So, is this one simply tipping more towards that end of things?

...On another note, Ceridwen--is there any way that you, in your capacity as a moderator, can pass along my email address to Mirage? Is that within your realm of abilities? If so, I'd really appreciate.

posted July 10, 2012 10:08 AM            

So.. not an unnecessary exercise to take a look at our own natal Trans-level aspects, the most outstanding please!

To be honest, I only am aware of ONE (that's what I mean with 'outstanding' )

posted July 10, 2012 01:22 PM            

"are you sure those inconjuncts don't merit some consideration, a la possible long-term somethin' somethin' ?"
I think, if inconjuncts are in tight aspect within a degree or so, and especially as part of a Yod, they are not to be underestimated.
But imo they will be more like an undercurrent, not that obvious as other aspects; for me they represent curiosity (among other things), as the other one seems to be so different from oneself.
From "I am curious about you, you are so different from me" to "I really dig you" is a pretty long way though imo.
on the other hand the magi DO consider it as very positive aspect.

"...Now that you mention that you've seen him many times but never noticed him... "
Yeah,w ell, my parents and me share a theatre subscription; and so I`ve been to the theatre some times in the last year, but never BECAUSE to see him there. If he plays, it`s just cool, but that`s all.

"Hmm... This idea--that you (Ceridwen) seem to have remarkable synastry on paper with many people brings up a topic of just what makes us engage in actual relationships with others? "
It is an interesting question.
First of all I think everyone has remarkable synastry with someone they don`t even know.
I am just silly enough or curious enough to look just for the sake of satisfying my curiosity. lol

Secondly, synastry only indicates the meshing together of energies, if you act on them is a different matter alltogether.
And also how you express them.

The only kind of astrology that comes even near to explaining when people get together, is progressed synastry (at least as far as I observed it; there may be others, I just don`T know yet).
But even then, the triggering of RELATING might be just something like taking notice of a certain actor you have never seen before.
It is not always a starting of a romantic relationship.

On the other hand I have seen people I thought I would NEVER see face to face in my life, as the geographic and social gap is just TOO HUGE (I am talking about Jude Law here and Ian Somerhalder).

Still I got the opportunity to do so, as impossible as it seemed even 5 years ago.
In both cases the progressed synastry was impressive, at the time I saw them.

In the case of Mr Law
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his pr Sun conjunct my Moon exact
his pr Mercury conjunct my pr Mercury and pr Venus exact
his pr Venus conjunct my pr Su
his pr Mars conjunct my Sun and Mercury etc.
his natal Sun conjunct my pr ASC exact
his pr Moon conjunct my pr Jupiter and natal Moon

in the case of Mr Somerhalder
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his pr Sun and pr Mars conjunct my Antivertex and Sun/Moon-mp
his pr Moon conjunct my pr Moon exact
his pr Moon oppospite my Sun and Mercury
his pr Venus conjunct my Mars
his pr ASC conjunct my Venus

Of course in this case it didn`t indicate a coming together like falling in love or something like that; I think in this case it just indicated the timeframe when the opportunity arose.
Maybe different people who are closer geographically or socially, might have developed some sort of relationship with these aspects. But even then that probably is up to free choice. Or I just don`t know how to predict the outcome.

"t you found indicators that are obviously also touted as deeper connections."
To be honest I don`t know for sure if these are really THAT deep connections (asteroids are spicy, yes, but can they carry a whole connection on their own?).

The planetary aspects are nice, yes.
His Sun-Mars conjunction trine my Mars and ASC. It`s like saying: "Yes, that could work" but it`s quite some way from there to "I am totally smitten with you".

Actually I think there are not that many really lovey-dovey-connection there.
His Venus has no aspects to my chart (so whatever I might think or feel, he probably couldnīt be more disinterested romantically. lol)
My Venus of course is being targeted, if the birthime is approximately right, by the opposition to his MOon and square to his Uranus. This is even more important as Venus is my 5th house ruler. probably crushworthy.

What is there and is "exciting" is the fact that his generational planets target mine so exactly. His Uranus to my Venus, his Pluto to my Sun and DESC-ruler Mercury.
Fascination - yes. Affinity- maybe (with his fire planets, which speak to my fire planets smoothly). ATtraction based on personality - I don`t think so.

My chartruler is very unaspected by his chart.
my DESC ruler only has a trine to his Mercury and square to his Pluto. None of his identity planets really connect to my DESC-ruler.
my 5th house ruler opposes his Moon and squares his Uranus. Again a transpersonal one carrying the whole weight. This is exciting, stimulating and all, but it doesn`t speak of a very personal connection. What it speak to me (if at all) is: LEARNEXPERIENCE, TRANSFORMATION

It is not shallow, as I first would have thought, but it has its drawbacks definitely.

Oh I forgot, of course there are some really nice asteroid aspects.

"..On another note, Ceridwen--is there any way that you, in your capacity as a moderator, can pass along my email address to Mirage?"
Sorry I don`t have her email address.
I think only Randall has all email addresses.

posted July 10, 2012 08:45 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Lioness,

"Ceri..
I noticed the Venus/Uranus Sq.. Instant electric attraction. "
Yes, I noticed that, too.
And I don`t think it is a coincidence, that i noticed him (he has been about 10 years at our theatre without me noticing him at all. lol), when Tr Uranus was starting to square my natal Venus.

Natally he seems to have Uranus square Moon, and I have an Aqua-Moon, so the synchronicity seems to fit.

Of course Uranus squre Venus usually means a flash in the pan, which is exactly what that is. But there is nothing else to do, and I like doing synastries, so why not doing his and mine?`It is a new one after all.
There really is nothing deeper behind it. Just curiosity and wanting to waste time in an enjoyable way, which for me is doing astrology. lol

"Your Mars trines his sun/mars.
He is your type of guy. "
Actually, not really, methinks.
Well, I don`t really know him.
I just wanted to say that i am not that much into male Leos anyway, but some memories of fleeting crushs came back to me, and there were quite some Leos among them (Sun or Moon), so, oh well.

Well, as a matter of fact his Mars/Sun-conjunction in Leo reflects my DESC-ruler being conjunct Sun.

There is much too little Saturn in his chart though, for him to really be my type.

"
Maybe its his Neptune in your 12th, thats making you "fantasize" about him.."
WEll, a whole generation has their Neptune in my 12th and I Don`t fantasize about him.

"Dont say your not....
You know you are "
LOL
You KNEW I would say that, didn`t you?
Firesigns....

Where are your Leo planets exactly? And are they opposing my Moon?

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Yeap I knew you say that

When I said he's your type of guy I meant physically. (in mars way) hehehe

Yes your moon is opps my Leo Stellium
My sun at 16Leo
Moon/Merc at 14Leo
Mars at 26Leo

My saturn trines your moon
venus opps venus