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athenegoddess
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posted August 09, 2012 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I have seen this tablet in Blashke`s book on relationships, which I really love.

I have worked most with the Draconic charts, sometimes with the Helio charts; I am not so comfortable with the sidereal chart, as I am still trying to figure out how to interprete the aspects therein in a practical way.
In a way Draco is also about Karma or actually sjoul-connections, but it is ONGOING, in difference I suppose the sidereal shows what is going to be completed, ending.

But let`s say there is an Eros-Psyche conjunction via the sidereal zodiac. Does that mean that there is a soulmate connection, or at least a connection, but that afterwards its done? No reiteration possible?

I am using the FAgan/ Bradley sidereal, and definitely not the heliocentric sidereal, as the tropical chart, or our material plane, is still our plane of reference.


I use the heliocentric tropical for Christ Consciousness.



Oh wow I've been using the heliocentric sidereal for christ consciousness. It seems to work better for me? It' weird now I'm all confused!

As for the completed karma chart. These are highly interesting. I have alot of connections between this chart and my natal chart and my bf's chart. I think they show where we are done with certain lessons this lifetime...


My Sidereal MC is conjunct my Natal Mercury exact.

Gosh this stuff is deep. It takes alot of brain power. lol..

Please post your stuff here. I love talking about these things.

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posted August 09, 2012 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, if you use the heliocentric sidereal chart, you probably need to combine the both meanings; meaning it is about completion of Karma on the Christ Consciousness plane.

As long as we are incarnated (in body) though I pay more attention to the links to tropical, as this is the plane we filter our experiences through.

Of course the other planes also function independently from the tropical plane.
If there is a Venus/jupiter-conjunction in Helio synastry, there will always be a connection of spiritual joy between these two people.
I do think however it is easier to express them in everyday life, if there are links to the tropical.

Let`s say this helio Venus/Jupiter conjunction overlays a tropical Mercury/Mercury-conjunction.
Whenever these people communicate with each other, they might easily be able to access the spiritual bliss and joy the Venus/jupiter brings. Actually it just happens.
If there are no links to the tropical the spiritual joy is still existent, of course, but it might run like an undercurrent, and often people might not be equally conscious about that.

Of course that is just my perspective on it, and you might have a different opinion.

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posted August 09, 2012 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW I was writing a bit about the tertiary progressions.

Well, we have been talking about the guy I met when he was having his SA Sun conjunct natal Venus (btw I just realized that it fell onto my Moon/Venus-mp. lol).

So I was checking some tertiary progressions, and what I find quite curious is that in all of his tertiary progressions Psyche is conjunct my name; in my tp Psyche is conjunct his name.
Do you think that has any significance=


Well, at the time we met, in his TP:

(my name conjunct Psyche)
- opposite (his name conjunct Karma)
- trine his Vertex, Jupiter and Saturn


in my TP:

(his name conjunct Psyche)
- trine Pluto
- opposite Neptune
- square (Sun conjunct ASC).

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this month

his TP:
(my name conjunct Psyche)
- trine (Eros conjunct Valentine on SN)
* my name is exact trine Eros, which reiterates the natal conjunction of my name and Eros in his chart *

- trine Saturn and Jupiter (Saturn rules the DESC of this TP, which falls onto my natal Venus)

- widely opposite MOon (4)

- square Sun

my TP this month:

(his name conjunct Psyche)

- widely conjunct Moon (4)

- trine Uranus

- sextile Venus

- conjunct Nessus

- trine Lust

BTW what orb do we allow`?

I know we probably do not check the comparision between two TP`s.

But his TP Pluto opposes my TP Proserpina exact, highlighting the opposition of his Pluto to my Venus in the Draconic chart. lol

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posted August 09, 2012 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"So I was checking some tertiary progressions, and what I find quite curious is that in all of his tertiary progressions Psyche is conjunct my name; in my tp Psyche is conjunct his name.
Do you think that has any significance="

Yes. I think it shows alot of significance. A psychic connection you two have together. What houses do they fall in in the TP charts?


"(my name conjunct Psyche)
- opposite (his name conjunct Karma)
- trine his Vertex, Jupiter and Saturn"

What houses do Jupiter and Saturn rule in the TP chart? And where do they fall? This is very strong fated energy. A pleasant one.


"(his name conjunct Psyche)
- trine Pluto
- opposite Neptune
- square (Sun conjunct ASC)."

Nice transforming emotional energy with a dash of transcendence. What house does Neptune fall?


"his TP:
(my name conjunct Psyche)
- trine (Eros conjunct Valentine on SN)
* my name is exact trine Eros, which reiterates the natal conjunction of my name and Eros in his chart "

Wow that's really strong! With the SN maybe he feels unconciously a past life connection with you?


For orb I like exact conjunctions? Maybe 1 orb..


"But his TP Pluto opposes my TP Proserpina exact, highlighting the opposition of his Pluto to my Venus in the Draconic chart. lol"

You can.. I don't because it's so much more work... Lol.. but yes this looks very karmic.

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posted August 09, 2012 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I checked quickly for exact conjunctions.. I'm not going to use asteroids now because it's so much work..

My Tropical Chart (current lifetime)

ASC Libra 12'47
Venus Gemini 14'22 (chart ruler)
Saturn Sagittarius 28'33
Uranus Sagittarius 28'39
I.C Capricorn 13'57
Moon Capricorn 8'31
Neptune Capricorn 8'49

His Tropical/Draconic chart: (current lifetime and ongoing soul contract)

Sun Sagittarius 26'51
Mercury Sagittarius 23'39
Saturn Sagittarius 25'31 (chart ruler)
Uranus Sagittarius 28'32
Neptune Capricorn 8'59
ASC Capricorn 13'14

My Draconic Chart: (my ongoing soul contract)

Venus Gemini 27'52 (chart ruler)
Saturn Capricorn 12'3
Uranus Capricorn 12'10

His Sidereal: (completion of karma)

Venus Sagittarius 29'39
MC Libra 12'33

My Sidereal: (completion of karma)

Sun Gemini 13'41
Moon Sagittarius 13'57
Neptune Sagittarius 14'14

My Helio Sidereal:

Earth/Moon Sagittarius 13'41
Venus Sagittarius 24'16
Mars Capricorn 13'42
Neptune Sagittarius 14'13

My Helio Tropical:

Earth/Moon Capricorn 8'16
Saturn Sagittarius 29'32
Uranus Sagittarius 29'9

His Helio Tropical:

Earth/Moon Gemini 25'6
Mercury Sagittarius 15'9
Saturn Sagittarius 23'38
Uranus Sagittarius 26'53
Neptune Capricorn 7'38

I know for sure this is my ascension lifetime and I know he is my twin flame. it's so interesting to put the pieces together with astrology.

He puzzles me... He has that Sagittarius stellium in the 12th house and it falls into my 3rd house. So It's like all this vibrant energy is being infused into my thinking side of life and I am actually using the energy. But for him it's not really there in real life. IT IS and I know he feels it. But he is hiding it!

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posted August 09, 2012 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh I forgot to mention natally my Psyche is conjunct his Psyche-Pallas-conjunction by one degree.

Well, if we only use 1 degree orb, than practically all of the mentioned aspects are out of orb.

" A psychic connection you two have together."
It may sound strange, but occassionaly I have been hearing his voice inside my head.
Usually like background noise, like i am overhearing what happens on his side. One time was weird, I clearly heard him say to one of his friends if they were feeling the draft and he should close the window.
What a trivial every day thing to say, you`d think if I was fantasizing, I would dream about him saying something really bombastic. But no, just about the window. lol

" What houses do they fall in in the TP charts?"
Pretty unromantic ones
When we met:
my name/ Psyche in his 2nd house

his name / Psyche in my 3rd house

(interestingly in both charts the conjunction happened in Gemini)


this month:
my Name / his Psyche in his 12th house (Gemini)

his name / my Psyche in my 1st house (beginning of Cancer).


"(my name conjunct Psyche)
- opposite (his name conjunct Karma)
- trine his Vertex, Jupiter and Saturn"
my name: 7 Gemini
Psyche: 9 Gemini
his Name: 4 SAg
Karma: 6 Sag
Vertex: 8 Libra
Jupiter and Saturn: 9 Libra


"What houses do Jupiter and Saturn rule in the TP chart? And where do they fall?"
Jupiter rules 8th and 9th house, and tradtionally the 12th house and fell into 6th house

Saturn rules the 10th and 11th and traditionally 12th house and of course also fell into 6th house

(we met in the line of his work)

"(his name conjunct Psyche)
- trine Pluto
- opposite Neptune
- square (Sun conjunct ASC)."

Nice transforming emotional energy with a dash of transcendence. What house does Neptune fall?

his name: 14 Gemini
Psyche: 13 Gemini
Pluto: 11 Libra
Neptune: 13 Sag
Sun: 17 Pisces
ASC: 16 Pisces

Neptune fell into 9th house and ruled the Pisces-ASC

"his TP:
(my name conjunct Psyche)
- trine (Eros conjunct Valentine on SN)
* my name is exact trine Eros, which reiterates the natal conjunction of my name and Eros in his chart "

Wow that's really strong! With the SN maybe he feels unconciously a past life connection with you? "

Maybe. He feels very familiar.

my name 9 Gem
Psyche 12 Gem

Saturn and Jupiter: 8 Libra

Valentine 7 Aquarius
Eros 9 Aquarius

my name and Psyche in his 12th house

Saturn and Jupiter exactly conjunct 5th house cusp
(Saturn rules 7th and 8th house)
Jupiter rules 6th house

Eros and Valentine fall into 8th house

"I don't because it's so much more work... Lol.."
Lol
Yes I agree.


What I find telling is that the name/Psyche conjunction take place on my natal nodal and ASC-DESC-axis, which also involves his DESC and IC-ruler (Mercury).

Also that the natal 'Sun falls onto the TP DESC, or even Venus on the TP DESC.
It is quite interesting.


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posted August 09, 2012 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I checked quickly for exact conjunctions.. I'm not going to use asteroids now because it's so much work..

My Tropical Chart (current lifetime)

ASC Libra 12'47
Venus Gemini 14'22 (chart ruler)
Saturn Sagittarius 28'33
Uranus Sagittarius 28'39
I.C Capricorn 13'57
Moon Capricorn 8'31
Neptune Capricorn 8'49

His Tropical/Draconic chart: (current lifetime and ongoing soul contract)

Sun Sagittarius 26'51
Mercury Sagittarius 23'39
Saturn Sagittarius 25'31 (chart ruler)
Uranus Sagittarius 28'32
Neptune Capricorn 8'59
ASC Capricorn 13'14

My Draconic Chart: (my ongoing soul contract)

Venus Gemini 27'52 (chart ruler)
Saturn Capricorn 12'3
Uranus Capricorn 12'10

His Sidereal: (completion of karma)

Venus Sagittarius 29'39
MC Libra 12'33

My Sidereal: (completion of karma)

Sun Gemini 13'41
Moon Sagittarius 13'57
Neptune Sagittarius 14'14

My Helio Sidereal:

Earth/Moon Sagittarius 13'41
Venus Sagittarius 24'16
Mars Capricorn 13'42
Neptune Sagittarius 14'13

My Helio Tropical:

Earth/Moon Capricorn 8'16
Saturn Sagittarius 29'32
Uranus Sagittarius 29'9

His Helio Tropical:

Earth/Moon Gemini 25'6
Mercury Sagittarius 15'9
Saturn Sagittarius 23'38
Uranus Sagittarius 26'53
Neptune Capricorn 7'38

I know for sure this is my ascension lifetime and I know he is my twin flame. it's so interesting to put the pieces together with astrology.

He puzzles me... He has that Sagittarius stellium in the 12th house and it falls into my 3rd house. So It's like all this vibrant energy is being infused into my thinking side of life and I am actually using the energy. But for him it's not really there in real life. IT IS and I know he feels it. But he is hiding it!


I am a bit confused how to read this.
These conjunctions are not really exact, are they?
Just asking because you said you were going to list exact conjunctions.


Anyway, it is naturally a strong picture there.
And honestly, you donT need astrology to tell if he is your twinflame or not. You gotta feel it inside.

Well in my case my twinflame could be there in front of me and I wouldn`t recognize him, cause my mind simply refused to listen to my heart and soul. It wants everything quantified and logical and so on. But that is not how a soulconnection works.

AS for the guy I mentioned. Whatever he is, he msut be important for my life and involvement. And my reactions to him are so irrational. I canīt make a sense of it. At least not with my mind.
Especially when he is in physical proximity, this pull is just so very strong against everything my mind has to say. It feels intense and since I am not used to this, it feels uncomfortable. He is shaking me out of my comfort zone, with his sheer presence and proximity alone. My Aquarius-Moon does not really know how to process that. lol

But I guess it is a neccessary experience in my life for my very own path.

I am trying to analyze this because analyzing things gives me a feel of inner calm and security, but this, it just eludes my mental grasp. It is a cliche, but it feels stronger than me.

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posted August 09, 2012 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW which planets fall into angular houses in your synastry, and the accompanying aspects, are they very "visible" in your synastry?

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posted August 09, 2012 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, you 're right. I don't need astrology to confirm it.. but it's highly interesting sharing with others for education.

Before I met him.. I had my mind always.. but not divine mind nor my heart. What he gave me was the gift of pure and true love and once an individual recieves this.. well all other components unite and create the holy spirit and the individual becomes the Holy Grail. It's so beautiful what I have been given. I feel so happy. It's not human happiness. This is divine happiness where I am at one with God and all life.

A twin flame is literally your other half. Twin flames must be incarnated as male and female. The man is the Father manifested and the woman is the Mother manifested. When they unite in physical reality, they give birth to the Holy Spirit.. and their souls evolution is complete. The path of duality isn't mine any longer. One thing I do know is that I'm an extremely old soul.

Unity is so beautiful.
I can say from experience.. It's impossible to know what I'm talking about unless you have experienced it. So I know what you mean about the logic part.. But you cannot join your mind with your heart until you meet your twin flame. If you do it alone.. that's a very strong person. In my case it came after I met him.

Also... One thing I noticed with him in comparison to my past lovers.. I feel so comfortbale with him. I don't have to hide anything or be something I'm not like in the past. I am at home in my skin and I feel so happy. We are like best friends who are deeply in love.


As per Orbs.. yes I know all aren't exact. It's okay a little bigger orb because there are just too many planets all bunched up together and I couldn't leave them out. I'd do 2'30 orb.

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posted August 09, 2012 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
BTW which planets fall into angular houses in your synastry, and the accompanying aspects, are they very "visible" in your synastry?

The angular ones are Cancer/Capricorn for Tropical. I actually forgot to include Cancer though.. lol.

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posted August 09, 2012 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Oh I forgot to mention natally my Psyche is conjunct his Psyche-Pallas-conjunction by one degree."

Nice! Very psychic.


"It may sound strange, but occassionaly I have been hearing his voice inside my head.
Usually like background noise, like i am overhearing what happens on his side. One time was weird, I clearly heard him say to one of his friends if they were feeling the draft and he should close the window.
What a trivial every day thing to say, you`d think if I was fantasizing, I would dream about him saying something really bombastic. But no, just about the window. lol"


Now that's weird. Lol. I have never had this happen. That's very interesting! You think there was any symbolism in this??


"Pretty unromantic ones
When we met:
my name/ Psyche in his 2nd house

his name / Psyche in my 3rd house

(interestingly in both charts the conjunction happened in Gemini)


this month:
my Name / his Psyche in his 12th house (Gemini)

his name / my Psyche in my 1st house (beginning of Cancer).


"(my name conjunct Psyche)
- opposite (his name conjunct Karma)
- trine his Vertex, Jupiter and Saturn"
my name: 7 Gemini
Psyche: 9 Gemini
his Name: 4 SAg
Karma: 6 Sag
Vertex: 8 Libra
Jupiter and Saturn: 9 Libra


I think the 2nd house is very important in romance. I think it shows deep connections we have with people.. That's my experience. I do wonder about the Karma though.. Karma's weird. I hate Karma.. Not the asteroid but the concept. It seems like something to be dreaded.. whether it's good or bad. In this case seems to be good though. As for who is bringing the karma.. that's another question?

You in his 12th house. Always interesting. He keeps you to himself.


"Jupiter rules 8th and 9th house, and tradtionally the 12th house and fell into 6th house

Saturn rules the 10th and 11th and traditionally 12th house and of course also fell into 6th house

(we met in the line of his work)

"(his name conjunct Psyche)
- trine Pluto
- opposite Neptune
- square (Sun conjunct ASC)."[/B][/QUOTE]

I love this because the 8th shows deep unconscious activity and the 9th is about higher thought and I believe it's associated with astral travel.

his name: 14 Gemini
Psyche: 13 Gemini
Pluto: 11 Libra
Neptune: 13 Sag
Sun: 17 Pisces
ASC: 16 Pisces

Neptune fell into 9th house and ruled the Pisces-ASC

his TP:
(my name conjunct Psyche)
- trine (Eros conjunct Valentine on SN)
* my name is exact trine Eros, which reiterates the natal conjunction of my name and Eros in his chart "


Seems he's deep in your thoughts?

"my name 9 Gem
Psyche 12 Gem

Saturn and Jupiter: 8 Libra

Valentine 7 Aquarius
Eros 9 Aquarius

my name and Psyche in his 12th house

Saturn and Jupiter exactly conjunct 5th house cusp
(Saturn rules 7th and 8th house)
Jupiter rules 6th house

Eros and Valentine fall into 8th house


You know what I like about these connecitons is that transit Uranus is electrifying them!...

"What I find telling is that the name/Psyche conjunction take place on my natal nodal and ASC-DESC-axis, which also involves his DESC and IC-ruler (Mercury).

Also that the natal 'Sun falls onto the TP DESC, or even Venus on the TP DESC.
It is quite interesting."

Yes his DSC ruler is important in this. Rules the other.. in this case you.

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posted August 09, 2012 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I checked the TP progressions for when we first met:

Him:
-TP Valentine 18'5 Leo conjunct his Natal Vertex 19'40 Leo and my TP ASC Leo 18'2
-TP (my last name asteroid) 15'15 Scorpio conjunct his Natal Mars Scorpio 15'24
-TP Venus Virgo 16'25 conjunct my Natal SN Virgo 16'29
-TP Mercury Rx 11'53 Libra conjunct my Natal ASC Libra 12'47
-TP Sun Libra 25'25 conjunct my Draconic ASC Libra 26'
-TP (my first name asteroid) 0'11 Sagittarius trine his TP Mars 0'16 Aries (Mars rules 5th house)

Me:
-TP Amor 12'5 Aries conjunct my Natal DSC Aries 12'47
-TP (his last name asteroid) 16'20 Libra conjunct my TP Moon 20 Libra (wide orb but still counts some)
-TP Venus Taurus 9'45 opposition my Natal Pluto Scorpio 9'52
-TP Mars Gemini 27'18 conjunct Draconic Venus Gemini 27
-TP Saturn Capricorn 13'57 conjunct my Natal IC and his Draconic ASC
-TP Pluto 13 Scorpio conjunct his Natal 13 Scorpio Moon and Mars 15 Scorpio
-TP Vertex conjunct my Natal Saturn/Uranus 28 Sagittarius and his (sidereal-completed k) Venus 29 Sagittarius

And for now..

Him:
-TP (my last name asteroid) 29'13 Scorpio conjunct his TP Moon at 0'11 Sagittarius
-TP (first name asteroid) 8'45 Sagittarius conjunct his TP Ascendant 9'37 Sagittarius
-TP Venus 14'6 Libra is conjunct my Natal ASC 12'47 Libra
-TP Saturn 29'49 Sagittarius conjunct his (sidereal completed k) venus 29 Sagittarius
-TP NN conjunct his Natal Aphrodite at 11 Pisces

Me:
-TP Mars conjunct his Natal DSC at 11 Cancer
-My TP Jupiter conjuncts my Natal Venus 14 Gemini, (sidereal completed k) Sun 13 Gemini, and opp (Helio Sidereal) Sun 13 Sagittarius.
-TP Saturn 13 Capricorn conjuncts my Natal IC and his Draconic Ascendant, my (Helio sidereal) Mars
-TP Vertex conjuncts his Natal Venus 25 Capricorn
-TP (his last name asteroid) 16 Libra, Amor 20 Aries, Valentine 20 Leo, Moon Libra 24

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" You think there was any symbolism in this??"
No. It was so ordinary.
I donīt know, it felt like I was "overhearing" what was going on on his end, in his physical present. Like he was sitting together with a few friends and they were having a relaxed evening. lol
It was definitely odd.


"think the 2nd house is very important in romance. I think it shows deep connections we have with people.. "
Yes, I agree.
It is completing the axis to the 8th house, and it might indicate a lot about what we value. It is also in the physical quadrant, so might literally indicate things or people that are close to us, just like in the 7th and 8th house.


"I hate Karma.."
Well, I don`t. Just another word for action-reaction.

"and the 9th is about higher thought and I believe it's associated with astral travel."
Yes. I`ve had some dreams which actually more felt like unconscious-halfconscious astraltravels.

"Seems he's deep in your thoughts? "
This was in HIS TP though, so wouldn`t it mean I was in his thoughts?


"You know what I like about these connecitons is that transit Uranus is electrifying them!... "
I did not even notice that, but you are right.

Tr Uranus is on 8 Aries with Tr Pluto on 7 Cap, both applying to my natal Venus on 6 Cap, though Pluto is not going to perfect the aspect again, I think.
(it will go direct again, 50 minutes off my Venus; Tr Uranus though WILL square Venus exact on 10th october - Uranus transits to Venus, Moon and Sun and Mercury seem always be pretty exciting and thrilling for me, though the Tr Uranus conjunction to my Moon really blew me away and it took a LOT to adapt to that energy, even though my Moon is in Aquarius, but that was really strong).

"Yes his DSC ruler is important in this. Rules the other.. in this case you. "
Yes.

Actually now that you mention it, for oth of us Mercury is the DESC-ruler natally, and in both TP`s the "name/Psyche" conjunction falls into Gemini - though for me it has moved into Cancer by now. So I guess our TP`names are mutually ruled by each other`s DESC-ruler at the time of meeting.
My name in his chart is still ruled by my DESC-ruler.
Though HIs name in my TP now is being ruled by Moon, which rules his natal 5th house and my natal 8th house.


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posted August 10, 2012 07:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow about your list!

So I guess you mostly counted conjunctions (and maybe oppositions), but in comparision to each other`s TP and natal, as well?

The interconnections are really very gobsmacking.


I wonder what it means if TP relates to TP? That your feelings are in concordance, or how you are affecting each other on a purely emotional and mental level, as opposed to the physical manifestation of the tropical?

So his TP Valentine to his natal Vertex maning that out of the blue a fated encounter would happen, which triggered a strong feeling of romantic true love in him, and that somehow this was triggered by your emotional/ mental essence?


His TP Venus on your natal SN: a love coming from the past?


And for you it also meant that you would meet someone in the physical plane (natal DESC), who triggered your unconditional love, existing on an emotional-mental plane (TP Amor) - did his chart connect to this somehow?

and for now

your essence/ energy / apearance (your natal ASC) trigger a stream of love (TP Venus) in him.

And as reaction maybe, the way he loves you on the tropical level, feels very fated (tp Vertex)

Something like that?

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posted August 10, 2012 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Checking for conjunctions in my TP charts:

first meeting:

HIS TP:

- TP my name on 7.42 Gemini conjunct my natal DESC on 7.01 Gemini

- his TP Psyche on 9.15 Gemini conjunct my natal SN on 10.09 Gemini

- his TP Vertex on 9.27 Libra conjunct my natal Pluto on 9.05 Libra
- his TP Jupiter on 9.37 Libra conjunct my natal Pluto on 9.05 Libra
- his TP Saturn on my 9.33 Libra conjunct my natal Pluto on 9.05 Libra


- his TP Moon on 27.53 Scorpio conjunct my natal Valentine on 27.33 Scorpio

- his TP Eros on 6.10 Cap conjunct my natal Venus on 6.07 Cap

- his TP Amor on 25.43 Aquarius conjunct my natal Psyche on 24.03 Aquarius


- his TP ASC on 26.44 Aries conjunct my TP Chiron on 25.21 Aries and TP Jupiter on 25.57 ARies

- his TP Chiron on 13.37 Taurus conjunct my TP SN on 14.06 Taurus

- his TP my name on 7.42 Gemini conjunct my TP Moon on 7.10 Gemini
- his TP Psyche on 9.15 emini conjunct my TP Mpoon on 7.10 Gemini

- my TP Pluto on 10.57 Libra conjunct his TP Vertex on 9.27 Libra, SAturn on 9.27 LIbra and Jupiter on 9.33 Libra


- his TP ERos on 6.10 Cap conjunct my TP Aphrodite on 7.37 Cap

- my TP IC on 24.38 Gem and TP Mars on 25.42 Gem opposite his Sun on 26.57 Sag

- my TP Saturn on 26.22 Cancer opposite his natal Venus on 25.55 Cap

- my TP Vertex on 25.17 Virgo conjunct his natal Saturn on 26.43 Virbo, his natal DESC on 23.16 Virgo, his natal Vertex on 27.42 Virgo and his natal Aphrodite on 28.54 Virgo


- my TP Eros on 9.40 Pisces conjunct his natal Eros on 8.21 Pisces and my name in his chart on 9.10 Pisces

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and currently

- his TP ASC on 8.24 Cancer conjunct my TP Moon on 7.58 Cancer

- hist TP NN on 10.32 Leo conjunct my TP my name on 7.04 Leo

- his TP SAturn on 8.27 LIbra and TP Jupiter on 8.39 LIbra conjunct my TP Pluto on 9.38 Libra

- his TP Moon on 13.31 Sag conjunct my TP Neptune on 13.22 Sag

- his TP name in his chart on 4.34 Cap opposite his name in my TP chart on 3.40 Cancer

- his TP Valentine on 7.07 Aqua and TP Eros on 9.33 AQua opposite my TP name on 7.04 Leo

- his TP Sun on 8.47 Pisces conjunct my TP Valentine on 9.37 Pisces

- his TP Cupido on 1.41 Taurus conjunct my TP Venus on 1.51 Taurus

- his TP Psyche on 12.12 Gemini opposite my TP Neptune on 13.22 Sag


- his TP Neptune on 24.39 Sag conjunct my natal Sun on 25.56 SAg and TP DESC on 23.20 Sag

- his TP name on 4.34 Cap and TP DESC on 8.24 Cap conjunct my natal Venus on 6.07 Cap

- his TP Venus on 29.02 Aqua conjunct my natal BML on 28.37 Aqua

- his TP my name on 9.49 Gem conjunct my natal SN on 10.09 Gem


- my TP Mars on 23.17 Cancer and TP Saturn on 27.16 Cancer opposite his natal Venus on 25.55 Cap

- my TP Valentine on 9.37 Pisces conjunct his natal Eros on 8.21 Pisces and my name in his chart on 9.10 Pisces

- my TP Valentine on 9.37 Pisces opposite his natal Amor on 9.03 Virgo, natal Jupiter on 10.10 Virgo, his natal name on 10.26 Virgo and his natal Mar son 11.06 Virgo

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Hi Ceri,

"So I guess you mostly counted conjunctions (and maybe oppositions), but in comparision to each other`s TP and natal, as well?"

Yes.. Conjunctions and Oppositions are the strongest in my opinion.

"I wonder what it means if TP relates to TP? That your feelings are in concordance, or how you are affecting each other on a purely emotional and mental level, as opposed to the physical manifestation of the tropical?"

I feel this is exactly right. How each of the expectations are matching up on an emotional level at a given time. Also looking at what one partner is going through and also what another partner is going through. Because the Tropical shows things that automatically happen even if we aren't aware of them happening. But the TP's show everything we know that is happening and how we are responding to it on an emotional level that nobody else can see.


"So his TP Valentine to his natal Vertex maning that out of the blue a fated encounter would happen, which triggered a strong feeling of romantic true love in him, and that somehow this was triggered by your emotional/ mental essence?"

I guess so. That sounds very accurate because when we met both of our lives changed and we became inseperable. It was out of the blue for sure.


"His TP Venus on your natal SN: a love coming from the past?"

Definitley. I think this means all his love from our past life's together was manifesting in his heart at full speed when we met again.


And for you it also meant that you would meet someone in the physical plane (natal DESC), who triggered your unconditional love, existing on an emotional-mental plane (TP Amor) - did his chart connect to this somehow?

Sounds pretty accurate.


"your essence/ energy / apearance (your natal ASC) trigger a stream of love (TP Venus) in him.

And as reaction maybe, the way he loves you on the tropical level, feels very fated (tp Vertex)

Something like that?"

Yes..!


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"- TP my name on 7.42 Gemini conjunct my natal DESC on 7.01 Gemini"

Since this is opposing your asc it gives me a better chance to make sense of it since the dsc is the part of ourselves that we lack..

"- his TP Psyche on 9.15 Gemini conjunct my natal SN on 10.09 Gemini"

Past life psychic connection coming back. I share this with someone in Tropical synastry. Except it's my Pluto/Psyche conjunct his South Node exact.

"- his TP Vertex on 9.27 Libra conjunct my natal Pluto on 9.05 Libra
- his TP Jupiter on 9.37 Libra conjunct my natal Pluto on 9.05 Libra
- his TP Saturn on my 9.33 Libra conjunct my natal Pluto on 9.05 Libra"

Inside he felt alot of karmic luck and expansion due to you. He maybe felt it was fated to meet you.


"- his TP Moon on 27.53 Scorpio conjunct my natal Valentine on 27.33 Scorpio"

Nice! Alot of fantasy was probably playing out in his head. Lol..


"- his TP Eros on 6.10 Cap conjunct my natal Venus on 6.07 Cap"

Definitely some strong attraction. But it seems like it was also very spiritual with some mystery. He was into you alot.


"- his TP Amor on 25.43 Aquarius conjunct my natal Psyche on 24.03 Aquarius"

Again with the love and psychic connection you two have going on.


"- his TP ASC on 26.44 Aries conjunct my TP Chiron on 25.21 Aries and TP Jupiter on 25.57 ARies"

Hmmm... what aspects does your Chiron make? Could be some pain or healing..


"- his TP my name on 7.42 Gemini conjunct my TP Moon on 7.10 Gemini
- his TP Psyche on 9.15 emini conjunct my TP Mpoon on 7.10 Gemini"

I have a feeling you are an instrument he was using to open his unconscious mind and peer into his soul.


"- my TP IC on 24.38 Gem and TP Mars on 25.42 Gem opposite his Sun on 26.57 Sag"

So his life force was making you feel very close to him? And when I say close I mean that he was really getting inside of you.


"- my TP Vertex on 25.17 Virgo conjunct his natal Saturn on 26.43 Virbo, his natal DESC on 23.16 Virgo, his natal Vertex on 27.42 Virgo and his natal Aphrodite on 28.54 Virgo"

This is interesting. Do you feel it was fated for you to fufill this part of his chart?


"- my TP Eros on 9.40 Pisces conjunct his natal Eros on 8.21 Pisces and my name in his chart on 9.10 Pisces"

Yeah. You turn him on.

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"- his TP ASC on 8.24 Cancer conjunct my TP Moon on 7.58 Cancer"

Emotionally he is going though a transformation and it has to do with his relationships. You are most likely the reason.

"- his TP Sun on 8.47 Pisces conjunct my TP Valentine on 9.37 Pisces"

As of now you two are really in sync romantically?


" - his TP Cupido on 1.41 Taurus conjunct my TP Venus on 1.51 Taurus"

Not sure about Cupido...


- his TP Neptune on 24.39 Sag conjunct my natal Sun on 25.56 SAg and TP DESC on 23.20 Sag

Whatever house his Neptune falls in is how he recives this beautiful energy from you.


- his TP name on 4.34 Cap and TP DESC on 8.24 Cap conjunct my natal Venus on 6.07 Cap

So you are very appealing to him emotionally and you are now bringing beautiful feelings into his life when it comes to the 'other'. This is a transforming union on the emotional plane!!


"- his TP Venus on 29.02 Aqua conjunct my natal BML on 28.37 Aqua"

I love this. He is really having some profound love feelings and insights now. You just make them even more intense and deep with your feminine power.


"- my TP Mars on 23.17 Cancer and TP Saturn on 27.16 Cancer opposite his natal Venus on 25.55 Cap"

seems like he makes you feel that you can have something serious with him?


- my TP Valentine on 9.37 Pisces opposite his natal Amor on 9.03 Virgo, natal Jupiter on 10.10 Virgo, his natal name on 10.26 Virgo and his natal Mar son 11.06 Virgo

He masculine energy makes you weak in the knees?

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I feel this stuff is so interesting and I do see a connection between all my charts hinting to this being my last lifetime.

My Draconic Chart (Ongoing Soul Contract):

ASC Libra 26
MC Cancer 27
Sun Cancer 21
Moon Capricorn 22
Mercury Cancer 2
Venus Gemini 27 (Chart Ruler)
Mars Aries 6
Jupiter Gemini 9
Saturn Capricorn 12
Uranus Capricorn 13
Neptune Capricorn 22
Pluto Scorpio 23
Chiron Cancer 14

My Sidereal (Completed Karma) Chart:

ASC Virgo 18
MC Gemini 19
Sun Gemini 13
Moon Sagittarius 13
Mercury Taurus 24 (Chart Ruler)
Venus Taurus 19
Mars Aquarius 28
Jupiter Taurus 1
Saturn Sagittarius 3
Uranus Sagittarius 4
Neptune Sagittarius 14
Pluto Libra 15
NN Aquarius 21
Chiron Gemini 6

My Helio-Sidereal (Christ Consciousness) Chart:

Sun Sagittarius 13
Moon Sagittarius 13
Mercury Capricorn 17
Venus Sagittarius 24
Mars Capricorn 13
Jupiter Aries 23
Saturn Sagittarius 4
Uranus Sagittarius 4
Neptune Sagittarius 14
Pluto Libra 17
Chiron Gemini 5

My Tropical Chart (Current Plane of Reality):

MC Cancer 13
Moon Capricorn 8
Venus Gemini 14 (Chart Ruler)
Jupiter Taurus 25
Neptune Capricorn 8

My completed Karma's Sun/Neptune at 13-14 Sag is conjunct the Sun/Moon/Neptune at 13 Sag in my Christ Consciousness chart. My completed Karma's Moon 13 Gemini is opposite the Sun/Neptune in my Christ Consciousness chart and conjunct my Natal Venus 14 Gemini (Chart Ruler).

I think this shows that through my tropical venus which is my chart ruler that I am infusing the energy of my higher self into my garment and outer world. I think it also shows that through this embodiment I have completed my souls evolution because the Completed Karma's chart is focused on this energy of my higher self and my Natal chart ruler.

Draco Saturn/Uranus 12 Cap are conjunct my Natal IC 13 Cap and my Christ Consiousness Mars 13 Cap.

What do you think Ceri?

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I also looked up my TP's to see what I'm feeling at this time in my life:

ASC Virgo 6
MC Gemini 4
Sun Taurus 26
Moon Libra 24
Mercury Gemini 5
Venus Gemini 8
Mars Cancer 11
Jupiter Gemini 13
Saturn Capricorn 13
Uranus Capricorn 4
Neptune Capricorn 12
Pluto Scoprio 13
NN Pisces 0
Chiron Cancer 4


TP Jupiter at 13 Gemini is showing how I am feeling all of this energy coming to me. I do feel very lucky and so happy. So I'm experiencing on an emotional level the completion of this in my current lifetime. I have no doubt I am done this time around.

TP Mercury in Gemini conjunct MC shows how I feel about this knowledge I have recieved and I know it's important and it shows I have the mental faculties to use it and use it correctly.

TP Saturn at 13 Capricorn aspecting my Natal IC, Draco Saturn, and Christ Consciousness Mars..

The structure I have created in my emotional life reflects this. I live every day infused into the energy of my higher self and it seems the cumulation of all my past lifetimes are now expressing through this aspect.


I think also that Pluto in Capricorn is transforming all the serpents of wisdom into their true selves. I feel that the serpents are represented by Capricorn and all of them have it prominent in their chart. This is just a theory but I feel intuitively that Pluto in Capricorn is waking those up who have the promise written in their birth chart. They have heard the call and the good transformation the world is going to see is coming from them... But it might be people with certain important configurations such as an outer planet in Capricorn conjunct a personal planet under one orb.

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Hi AG,

"Yes.. Conjunctions and Oppositions are the strongest in my opinion."
Yes, same opinion here.

" Because the Tropical shows things that automatically happen even if we aren't aware of them happening. But the TP's show everything we know that is happening and how we are responding to it on an emotional level that nobody else can see."
That is an interesting perspective, and it makes much sense to me.
So would you say that the TP is closer to our awareness? AT least that is how I understood it.


"I guess so. That sounds very accurate because when we met both of our lives changed and we became inseperable. It was out of the blue for sure."
Sounds like Vertex to me.

"I think this means all his love from our past life's together was manifesting in his heart at full speed when we met again."
That is beautiful.


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First off, I have to say that there is no relationship with that guy. He is a local performer, and it is strange.
There is of course no romantic relationship, but it is not a "fan-thing" either, at least not in the "admiring from afar" or "hunting for autographs" kind of way, cause that is so not me. The hunting-for-autograph thing, admiring from afar - sure I am GREAT doing that!

"Dulcinea" is my song. I AM Don Quixote. lol
Or rather "the impossible dream"

"To love pure and chaste from afar"....


Just he doesn`t let me. He just won`t stay on this pedestal, wonīt stay hidden in distant fog.

Instead, though it is him on stage, he sees me.

I really didnīt think so much of it, when we had that chat, and I was asking him for his birthtime (and he didnīt know so he called his parents in the midle of the night, after a show. lol).

That chat left me, well buzzing with a strange kind of energy all night (and it is still ike this, whenver I have seen him, esp. in his physical proximity, and we are in the same town afterwards, sleep will be far away. lol It is just this buzzing electricity, but it feels very recharging to me).


I disappeared without a trace after this meeting, cause I was too overwhelmed and scared and all my personal insecurities from past and present were breaking open like a badly healed wound. He felt threatening to me. Not he himself, but threatening to my comfort; he shouldnīt affect me like that, so easily slip through all my defenses (and I have STEELY defenses).

But even after 2 years, he seemed to recognize me, which is pretty unlikely, I still think.

WE didn`t talk after the first chat, cause, well, I am not doing the "fan-thing" and wouldnīt know what to say anyway. WEll, except for last year when he literally hopped off stage (cause he wanted to connect with his audience on an eye-to-eye-level as he said) and teased me publicly (but not painfully) cause he had noticed that I really tried hard to ignore him so I wouldn`t attract any attention. LOL


So, it is actually hard to define the connection for me. It is not really a connection, as we are not really in each other`s life. But then on the other hand it is not a completely non-connection either.


Whatever it may be though, he facilitates so many intense spiritual/ emotional experiences in me. Every time. He is shaking me up, he is sneaking under my skin, and for the first time in my life I have the feeling as if I am not in complete control of my feelings. I always let my mind take the reins, but when this man is around, I donīt know what takes the reins, but it clearly is not my mind. lol
He affects me on a very instinctual level I think, and I have no clue what that means or what to do with this.

Just so you can categorize that "connection", which is not a connection at all, though it feels like it is.
Confusing?
Yeah. I have been confused for the last 4 years. lol

"I share this with someone in Tropical synastry. Except it's my Pluto/Psyche conjunct his South Node exact."
Wow, that sounds very powerful and deep.
OH well, actually my natal Pluto on 9 Libra is trine my SN exact.


"Inside he felt alot of karmic luck and expansion due to you. He maybe felt it was fated to meet you."
Of course I odn`t know that, but he came across as very open. Though he always is, the most extrovert person I have ever met.

"Nice! Alot of fantasy was probably playing out in his head. Lol.. "
I certainly would like that.

"Definitely some strong attraction. But it seems like it was also very spiritual with some mystery. He was into you alot."
Reading this made me all fuzzy and warm inside.

Actually I was so surprised. I was waiting outside the theatre for him, and actually tried to merge with the shadows. There was a wall, I could lean on. I was in the background, and dressed all in black, and actually I had already decided I was silly and wanted to turn back and leave without having spoken to him; I mean I definitely saw those young women, younger than me, definitely prettier and I donīt know what.
But the moment I wanted to leave the door opened, and he came out, and it surprised me so much, that he was steering directly towards me, not even paying attention to the "It-girls", until they stepped into his path.

"Hmmm... what aspects does your Chiron make? Could be some pain or healing.."
Well my Chiron needs healing URGENTLY.
It is squaring my Eros/VErtex-conjunction exactly and also squars my Sun/Moon-mp.

Interestingly just now I have SA Jupiter conjunct Chiron. Chiron is also sextile Moon which is a bit nicer.

The 25/ 26 degrees of Aries might be important though, as they trine my Sun/Mercury on 25-26 Sag, and conjunct my Draco Venus on 25-26 Aries.


"I have a feeling you are an instrument he was using to open his unconscious mind and peer into his soul."
Well, I was mentioning astrology, lol.


"So his life force was making you feel very close to him? And when I say close I mean that he was really getting inside of you."
YES.
Definitely. Under my skin. Overwhelmed me totally. I usually keep my physical distance from people, especially when I donīt know them.
But with him? It was like he has never heard anything about social distance zones. lol
And I didnīt even notice that we were standing much too close for people who had never met before, while talking, until later. Maybe it is just his way, but it still is unusual for me nto having all alarm bells ring when someone steps over a certain distance-line.
In his case, it is almost as if my inner Self doesn`t recognize him as a "different energy".


"This is interesting. Do you feel it was fated for you to fufill this part of his chart?"
Since this was just a short meeting, I guess not.


"Yeah. You turn him on."
LOL You think?
Well, he was certainly the first man who was ever sniffing at me within minutes of meeting. Actually no man has ever done that before.
Well, he was convinced he had smelled a certain fragrance, and was asking me about it, and I honestly told him that I was not having that fragrance (actually I didn`t have any fragrance at all, except for the shower-oil), but he was sceptic and disbelieving (why would I lie about something like this?) and that was why he was sniffing at me. So a reasonable explanation. Still what a weird meeting! lol
Too weird for my mind to comprehend.


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"As of now you two are really in sync romantically?"
No, as I said, there is no romantic connection.

But still, I was seeing him in an open air musical on sunday, and he was noticing me again. I know this cause he literally snapped his head back and looked at me again. lol


"Whatever house his Neptune falls in is how he recives this beautiful energy from you."
Well, that would be his 9th house. Not a bad house for a Sag. Maybe not romantic, but still not bad. Actually it is not too far off his MC on 27 SAg, his Sun on 26 Sag and Moon on 28 Sag. And Neptune is his chartruler.

His chartruler is in my ASC-sign, and my chartruler is in his. lol


"So you are very appealing to him emotionally and you are now bringing beautiful feelings into his life when it comes to the 'other'. This is a transforming union on the emotional plane!!"
WEll, of course I need to be careful what to think, but I guess he has a generally positive attitude.


"I love this. He is really having some profound love feelings and insights now. You just make them even more intense and deep with your feminine power."
BML is interesting in our case.
Cause my BML is on 28.37 Aquarius opposite his BML on 28.14 Leo.
And the first meeting chart had BML on the ASC, exactly opposite Eros on the DESC (and this ran along my nodal axis).


"He masculine energy makes you weak in the knees?"
Simple answer: yes.


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Well, I don`t know about last lifetimes, as to me this would be a dreadful thought. I really intend coming back at least another time.
I am just getting used to the physicality of this plane.

But if you feel it is your last lifetime, you could be right. The astrological connections surely could be an indicator for this (though I am not totally sure what indicators are necessary for that conclusion).

"I think this shows that through my tropical venus which is my chart ruler that I am infusing the energy of my higher self into my garment and outer world. "
Yes, I think so, too. The tropical planet is the place all of that energy manifests.

"s that through this embodiment I have completed my" souls evolution because the Completed Karma's chart is focused on this energy of my higher self and my Natal chart ruler."
Yes, it could be.

Well, my chartruler is Jupiter. Let me see if something from the sidreal chart is triggering it, which I donīt think, as I am pretty sure this is not my last lifetime.


Hmm strangely sidereal IC is conjunct my tropical Jupiter and sidereal Pluto opposes it by 3 degrees. (and sid Pluto rules sid ASC).

Not a clue what that implies.


But yes theoretically I think the connections between sidreal and tropical would be strong in the last lifetime.
Maybe if a couple spends their last lifetime together and will maybe not meet again, there would be alsot strong connections from one sidreal to the other tropical?


Or what do you think it means?

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