posted September 29, 2012 04:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
My first question though, what time do you use? because its at that degree for 2 days.
So Im not sure which day or time to use.
Am I doing this correctly??

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I settled for using the FIRST minute/moment the degree is reached.
Not knowing if I am doing it right, but I had to make a decision.

BTW we were contemporaries then, well almost. my year would have been 1777. You were a little older than me.
Oh and btw your Dr Pluto is conjunct my today`s Mars exact and opposes my Dr Moon. Hmmph.

posted September 29, 2012 04:29 AM            

Well, it is strange, but even though my Draco Pluto brings me back to 1777, I feel much more drawn to the 19th century.

"I did also notice something else that I missed in the 1838 chart: Mars on Aldeberan."
My SN is near Aldebaran: 10°09 Gemini. And Neptune (9.46 Sag) on Antares.

I once had a report done by the astrologers of DArkstar astrology and the "spiritual warrior" theme somehow stuck out (Mars is in Sag in 12th house conjunct ASC And Neptune by 5 degrees).
Of course Mars is also the traditional ruler of my 12th house, with Pluto being the new ruelr.

"I have also had similar thought about Nazi Germany)."
Yeah, living in Germany I did too. What a horrible thought though!

"Past life progressed Hopi exactly conjuncts this life's natal Venus in my Mars/Pluto/Venus stellium. This is opening up some questions."
Wow!
What questions does it open for you?
WEll for me it would open the question in how far certain mechanisms with the intensity of that relationship-stellium are related to a possible past life having to do with Native Americans.

" I also found past Hopi conjunct current Saturn, which was semisextile past Union. Plus, past progressed-to-current-birthday Apache Point/Karma conjuncted my Eros."

All in all the connections seem too strong to be irrelevant! It must have been a really significant life, and you might have carried Karma over from then.

"Would this work with Uranus, you think?"
Well, Uranus has a rebellious streak!

I checked it for my chart as well.

Past life DEJANIRA on 1 Aries conjunct today`s DEJANIRA and squares VESTA exact.

past life APACHE POINT conjunct my Draco Karma and natal MC exact.

past life SOOTYO is conjunct natal Eros/VErtex/Destinn, opposing Sun/Moon-mp.
It also is widely (2 - 3 degrees) conjunct Draco DEJANIRA

pr past life APACHE Point is conjunct natal Pluto exact! (9.33 - 9.05 Libra).
This falls close to VINDEMIATRIX on 9.56 Libra, called the "widow-maker". I get a feeling of having been struck by tragedy, esp. with Pluto ruling my 12th house.

pr past life HOPI conjunct pr past life ASC Conjunct natal Uranus, all being square pr past life Pluto (all exact on 1 Scorpio with Pluto on 00 Aquarius).

pr past life SOOMANA is on 8 Cancer, which for some reason rings a bell though I don´t know exactly why (only remember that the chart of that actor I had felt compelled to look up a few days ago has natal KARMA on 8 Cancer).

Dr pr APACHE is on 9 Cancer interestingly.

Dr pr SOOMANA opposes natal Pluto exact

DR pr PLUTO ends up on 1 Scorpio, on the progressed ASC as well as my natal uranus.

Dr pr Moon conjuncts Draco KAALI exact

posted September 29, 2012 04:36 AM            

I just had a hunch and put the Indian asteroids into this actor`s chart.
Turns out not only he has got Karma on 8 Cancer, but SOOMANA on 8 Cap with Mars on 9 Cap squaring CHiron on 9 Aries.

And I think I know now why the placement of 8 Cancer seemed so relevant for me, I have Venus on 6 Cap, Isis/Osiris on 9 Cap, Spirit on 10 Cap, squaring Pluto on 9 Libra. And of course currently pr DESC is on 8 Cancer. *slaps forehead*

Interestngly that actor`s SOOTYIO is conjunct my Draco Moon within one degree, and his Draco SOOMANA conjuncts my Moon within 2 degrees.

And his Draco Apache point on nearly 9 Aries opposes my natal Pluto and of course conjuncts his own Chiron.
Now that is interesting.

posted September 29, 2012 04:40 AM            

You know how sometimes you look and look and doesn`t seem to find aconnection so feeling compelled to accept the 3 degree sextile you can find?

posted September 29, 2012 06:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Ok.. This looks interesting. So I did it.

My Dr Pluto is at 4SAG15... It was in Sag in the 90's so I was already alive
So I had to go back even further..

The last time Sag was at 4Sag15 was Nov 28, 1750(wow)

My first question though, what time do you use? because its at that degree for 2 days.
So Im not sure which day or time to use.
Am I doing this correctly??

What I notice as the same
was venus quinx neptune by 1 orb in both

Also
Now
A leo stellium
then
A sag stellium, and Scoprio

with mars just off to the side in both.

Neptune sq Mars in both

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posted September 29, 2012 06:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Gosh, I quickly glanced ovr HIS Pluto chart (I was curious now), but it is too much toeven take it in.
I will have to do it more systematically.

You know how sometimes you look and look and doesn`t seem to find aconnection so feeling compelled to accept the 3 degree sextile you can find?

And then at other times the conjunctions and exact aspects simply jump out at you, almost like attacking your eyes?

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posted September 29, 2012 12:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Well, it is strange, but even though my Draco Pluto brings me back to 1777, I feel much more drawn to the 19th century.

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Perhaps this method doesn't find all past lives. I feel the draw to the WWII era. But if I was in the Civil War era AND the WWII era, then I must be undergoing some rapid reincarnation.

What mission could possibly be so vital as to rapidly reincarnate like that though?

Or am I that vengeful that I keep coming back?

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I once had a report done by the astrologers of DArkstar astrology and the "spiritual warrior" theme somehow stuck out (Mars is in Sag in 12th house conjunct ASC And Neptune by 5 degrees).
Of course Mars is also the traditional ruler of my 12th house, with Pluto being the new ruelr.

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I've had a couple readings done from them too. They implied a high ranking in a past life, a general or a leader maybe, went for everything and lost it all. They had seen images of conquest, rape and pillage though, and betrayal in the end. Possibly by a female consort. They were also alarmed that whatever karma I had with females in the past was enough that I would experience the loss of a female (my mother) so early again in this life too.

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"I have also had similar thought about Nazi Germany)."
Yeah, living in Germany I did too. What a horrible thought though!

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I have to wonder what happened to me after that... I forget the method used, but I think I had calculated a possible death date for 1954 in that timeline. I have images of betrayal there too. Considering a fascination I've had with the Soviet Union in the past, ... starting to wonder if I wasn't a triple-agent or something. Was I trapped in the eastern part of the Iron Curtain?

Where did my true loyalties lie?

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"Past life progressed Hopi exactly conjuncts this life's natal Venus in my Mars/Pluto/Venus stellium. This is opening up some questions."
Wow!
What questions does it open for you?
WEll for me it would open the question in how far certain mechanisms with the intensity of that relationship-stellium are related to a possible past life having to do with Native Americans.

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I'm convinced I must have entered a relationship with probably a high-ranking tribal leader's daughter or something. And also the sense that I wouldn't have been in good with whatever army or group I was with then.

Maybe akin to "Ok, we beat Johnny Reb, that's one thing, but what we're doing to these Plainsfolk is just wrong."

Also possible that relationship would have irked someone both in the tribes and within the Union/Confederate armies/settlers?

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" I also found past Hopi conjunct current Saturn, which was semisextile past Union. Plus, past progressed-to-current-birthday Apache Point/Karma conjuncted my Eros."

All in all the connections seem too strong to be irrelevant! It must have been a really significant life, and you might have carried Karma over from then.

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Indeed. I seem to have a way with women in all lives o.O

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Past life DEJANIRA on 1 Aries conjunct today`s DEJANIRA and squares VESTA exact.

past life APACHE POINT conjunct my Draco Karma and natal MC exact.

past life SOOTYO is conjunct natal Eros/VErtex/Destinn, opposing Sun/Moon-mp.
It also is widely (2 - 3 degrees) conjunct Draco DEJANIRA

pr past life APACHE Point is conjunct natal Pluto exact! (9.33 - 9.05 Libra).
This falls close to VINDEMIATRIX on 9.56 Libra, called the "widow-maker". I get a feeling of having been struck by tragedy, esp. with Pluto ruling my 12th house.

pr past life HOPI conjunct pr past life ASC Conjunct natal Uranus, all being square pr past life Pluto (all exact on 1 Scorpio with Pluto on 00 Aquarius).

pr past life SOOMANA is on 8 Cancer, which for some reason rings a bell though I don´t know exactly why (only remember that the chart of that actor I had felt compelled to look up a few days ago has natal KARMA on 8 Cancer).

Dr pr APACHE is on 9 Cancer interestingly.

Dr pr SOOMANA opposes natal Pluto exact

DR pr PLUTO ends up on 1 Scorpio, on the progressed ASC as well as my natal uranus.

Dr pr Moon conjuncts Draco KAALI exact

Doesn`t look like an easy-breezy life, hu?

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Not at all! I did also find that that Past-Progressed Union to my current natal North Node... also conjuncted within a half degree Past-Progressed Lucifer.

posted September 29, 2012 12:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Aeline:
I used the exact time - till the seconds, to prove tha Pluto's position was exact EXACT

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posted September 29, 2012 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
stumbled across that article
http://blog.californiapsychics.com/blog/2011/03/astrology-and-past-lives.html/

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posted September 29, 2012 02:51 PM            

Well my Saturn is in Cancer:
"Age of Cancer (Capricorn sub-age), 8620 to 6460 BC – The rigid ideas about power, discipline and certainty which led to Atlantis’ downfall, described by prophet Edgar Cayce as land and temples sinking into the sea, and clouds full of fire and lightning, were developed and bore their poisonous fruit during this age. The subsequent Capricorn sub-age (7660 to 6460) was all about surviving, with powerful personalities dominating needy people."
(Draco Pluto on 28 Cap)

my Uranus in Scorpio
Age of Taurus (Scorpio sub-age), 4300 to 2150 BC – In the first part of this phase, slow, careful lives were led, laying the foundations of great cultures in Egypt, Asia, the Middle East (Babylon and Sumeria), as well as Central and South America. The Scorpio sub-age (3340 to 2150 BC) saw the pinnacle of Egypt’s courts and priesthoods, the rise of the Zoroastrian religion, and the sacrificial practices of Indochinese, South and Central American cultures. This age featured pain, underground gods, and great temple schools; also the power of sex as a religious and social process, as with the Great Rite.
(Draco Saturn on 6 Scorpio)

Neptune in Sag
Age of Gemini (Sagittarius sub-age) 6460 to 4300 BC – The idea of the great temple schools of the Scorpio Age was seeded here, with thriving goddess-based cultures such as the Neolithic site in Malta. Women in particular seem to have memories of sacred schools and often recognize friends of today from those past lives. The theme of duality, Yin/Yang and sacred twins was important. The Sagittarius sub-age (5380 to 4300 BC) marked the time of great adventure and exploration, peopled by wanderers who spread human influence across Asia, Africa, Europe and Russia.

(Draco Moon and tropical SN, DESC And Karma in gemini)

Pluto in Libra
ge of Aries (Libra sub-age), 2260 to 100 BC – The survival of the tribe was paramount. Moses and Pharaoh’s laws gave form, while wars were waged to protect both tribal identity and boundaries. During the Libra sub-age (1,180 to 100 BC), classical Greece and Rome in their prime tried to balance their needs with the intellectual and creative possibilities of both the individual and the tribe or nation.

(Draco Karma is in Libra - I am teaching Latin at school, and sometimes when I start talking about historical things, it feels like I am talking from memory, not from knowledge I gathered in books. Especially when we are talking about the oracle of Delphi, it is kinda creepy almost).

Beside Pluto, I consider Moon, Saturn, SN, asteroid KARMA, ruler of 12th house plus 12th house cusp as "karmic markers".

Maybe Neptune and URanus belong there, too, but they don´t really feel so much karmic, as spiritual to me.

my karmic markers are (first tropical, then Draco)

Moon: 17 Aquarius - 7 Gemini
Saturn: 17 Cancer - 6 Scorpio
Pluto: 9 Libra - 28 Capricorn
SN: 10 Gemini
Karma: 16 Gemini - 5 Libra
12th cusp: 21 Scorpio - 10 Pisces
ruler of 12th: 9 LIbra - 28 Capricorn

(trad. ruler Mars: 5 Sag - 25 Pisces)

posted September 30, 2012 12:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I settled for using the FIRST minute/moment the degree is reached.
Not knowing if I am doing it right, but I had to make a decision.

BTW we were contemporaries then, well almost. my year would have been 1777. You were a little older than me.
Oh and btw your Dr Pluto is conjunct my today`s Mars exact and opposes my Dr Moon. Hmmph.

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Ooo Ok I got you... I was trying to figure out what time to use...
So then I think its the day before Nov 27 then...

posted September 30, 2012 02:24 AM            

I'm surprised I didn't see a Capricorn/Cancer link, unless Jupiter would somehow count in this (thus Jupiter in Cancer proper).

posted September 30, 2012 06:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Ooo Ok I got you... I was trying to figure out what time to use...
So then I think its the day before Nov 27 then...

Do you think it takes 200 years to be
re born?

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It shouldn´t be a day off though, only like 5 - 10 minutes of timeframe!

You have to look up the degree, minutes AND seconds, they have to match exactly!

And no, I don´t think it takes 200 years to be reborn. It might be pointing to just one life.
I think maybe the Draco position of the ruler of our natal 12th house might give a hint as well, or even the ruler of the SN.

posted September 30, 2012 06:24 AM            

#"Perhaps this method doesn't find all past lives"
Yes, I believe that, too.

"ar era AND the WWII era, then I must be undergoing some rapid reincarnation."
Maybe there is a linked theme, something having to do with obedience vs. independence (thinking), or how to channel your energy/ strength/ fighting spirit, issues of survival etc.

"Or am I that vengeful that I keep coming back? "
I don´t believe in spiritual vengefulness.

"I've had a couple readings done from them too."
I think they are really good.

I am sorry to hear you lost your mother. This has always been a big fear for me since I was a child. I even dreamed of losing her. It was quite traumatic nightmares.
Well, I guess it was understandable, as my Mom lost her mother when she was 17 years old, and of course this would leave an impression on me as a child and beyond that.

I also have dreams/recalls of the flooding of ATlantis and the need to escape, and actually in that dream my mom, dad and youngest brother were there, too. We had to escape, but my Mom and me were separated from my Dad and youngest brother by a mass of water, and we HAD to flee, or else we would have drowned (btw my family has a history of drowning actually, though I only learned about that after the dreams), and we were forced to leave them behind, not knowing what would happen to them and get out of there.
I had that dream when I was a child, but I still remember the emotional impact it had on me, it was a very painful dream.
Interestingly my Mom and me both have asteroid SUMERIA conjunct within one degree in our synastry, and my parents, my youngest brother and me all share a pattern of Atlantis to Angle, and VARUNA to light or angle. It is creepy actually.

DAD: ATlantis (16 Virgo) conjunct ASC (18 Virgo) and Varuna (00 Tau) conjunct Moon (01 Tau)

Mom: Atlantis (12 Cap) conjunct DESC (11-12 Cap) and Varuna (4 Tau) opposite Sun (3 Sco)

me: Atlantis (8 SAg) conjunct ASC (7 Sag) And NN (10 Sag) and Varuna (6 Gem) on DESC, (7 Gem) conjunct Draco Moon (6.55 Gem)

my brother: Atlantis (27 Gem) conjunct IC (28 Gem) and NN (1 Can) and Varuna (16 Gem) square Sun (15 Pisces)

"starting to wonder if I wasn't a triple-agent or something. Was I trapped in the eastern part of the Iron Curtain?"
It def. could be.

"Where did my true loyalties lie?"
Isn`t that always a vital question?

posted October 05, 2012 05:37 PM            

all my life i've loved Winston Churchill, like i identify with and get his every writings! I have magnets on my frig with his sayings on them and during my darkest days i put one of his poems up on my visor in car to give me inspiration.
Just recently i realized he was born 3 days after me...his chart is so much like mine its crazy! His birthday, nov 30, 1874@1:30am-mine nov 27, 1975@2:40am

His Ac is conjunct my moon wide orb, but then it squares my mars exact
His mars conjuncts my pluto by 3 degrees and my venus by 3 degrees
His jupiter/b.m. lilith conjuncts my venus
His mercury conjuncts my N.node
His sun conjuncts my sun/merc/nep stellium
His venus sits exact on my part of fortune
His part of fortune sits exact on my eros/valentine on my IC
His aqua saturn opposes my leo saturn
His aqua saturn makes a grand trine with my libra AC/gemini psyche
His chiron conjuncts my jupiter, his N.node conjuncts my chiron...all of this opposes my venus
His N.node Aries@24,22 my chiron Aries@24.14
His neptune opposes my uranus
His pluto sits on my s.node exact, taurus@21.25...to the second!
His Mc is gemini@29.55...my mars is gemini@29.33
His venus is conjunct my Isis by 1 degree
His kaali sits on my MC under a degree
His Siva conjunct my Karma on my AC
His moon leo@29, his karma aqua@29, his Mc gemini@29
My parvati saggy@0, my mars gemini@29
My psyche is gemini@15, his dna is gemini@16, opposed my dna saggy@17
His eros/b.l. moon is on my kaali/uranus by a degree
His Osiris is Libra@11.57
His Parvati is Aries@11.41
My Pluto is Libra@11.06
His pluto to my saturn is quitile, exact!
Like i said earlier his pluto is exact, exact on my S.Node to!
I don't know what this means and I don't know if these are the best things to look at for past life but ive read they show connections?

posted October 09, 2012 08:54 PM            

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Perhaps this method doesn't find all past lives. I feel the draw to the WWII era. But if I was in the Civil War era AND the WWII era, then I must be undergoing some rapid reincarnation.

What mission could possibly be so vital as to rapidly reincarnate like that though?

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Perhaps you need to ditch this idea that there has to be some kind of temporal "break" between lifetimes. In my apparent experience, I'm right back in the thick of it, sometimes in less than a year, if we look at linear time. ...I'll qualify that and say that I've sensed my lifetimes for the last 200 years or so have been in such rapid succession. Earlier recollections are sporadic and spaced further. That is not to say there aren't any lifetimes, but perhaps they are not important for me to recall .

I've read accounts of others even having apparent overlapping lifetimes. The soul is vast--I certainly don't discount that possibility.

Perhaps we, as souls, get more adept and comfortable at getting right back in there, the longer we've gone round and round here. Perhaps a sense of urgency, wanting to get on with our lessons, as well, as our cycle here winds down?

I've also read the idea that it is in recent times that overall people are coming back more quickly. Perhaps it is for some of the reasons I mentioned above. Fewer "young" souls and more "experienced" souls here in this era, knowing how the game goes, and coming back more easily and with intent.

posted October 14, 2012 07:18 AM            

My friend - Sun-on-my-SN has asteroid Helen exactly conjunct his own Sun.

His P.L. chart has Sun exactly conjunct asteroid Helen.

posted October 16, 2012 03:04 PM            

As i now taka a research in Samadhi, i looked in synastry with it. OH my.

With my Love:

Now: His Samadhi conjunct my ASC (1)
Then: His Samadhi conjunct my ASC (1)

posted October 16, 2012 04:41 PM            

It sounds interesting, though a bit dicey if you're extrapolating positions based off of Pluto placements. They're significant in aspect and configurations, but otherwise, SO generational.

posted October 16, 2012 05:19 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Could I get a reference here? I'm completely lost, as I don't 'recall' this past thread.

It sounds interesting, though a bit dicey if you're extrapolating positions based off of Pluto placements. They're significant in aspect and configurations, but otherwise, SO generational.

-A.

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But you take very precise position of Pluto, till seconds. It depends on your ASC, as well.

Basically - you take position of your draconic Pluto, then find when it was last in that place (before you were born, obviously).

I can't say these are really past life charts, but still so much exactness - it can't be just random! I mean - how can that be random? You try yourself, you'll be amazed!

posted October 16, 2012 07:38 PM            

I'm glad that it works for you, though. That's what matters, right? Astrology is a largely subjective experience; quantification is crucial to find a standardisation process, (which is DAMNED hard, lemme tell you) but the reality is that if it helps the person who designed it, then it was worth it.