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Ami Anne
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posted September 25, 2012 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ami, I think I might have seen your thread on Dejanira a while back but I don;t recall all the specifics. Maybe you can post a link, which might also be helpful for Geea (unless you already did and I missed it).

As for your Moon conjunct Mars, I think it's relevant. My personal opinion is that when it comes to luminaries, a much greater orb is okay. Do you know if the Moon/Mars conjunction is applying or separating?


I don't know about that. I can check. I guess applying is stronger. Right?
What would your opinion of a 9 degree conjunction between the two? Thanks so much, Sorcha!

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posted September 26, 2012 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by geea:
thank you all
i just checked on astro ephemeris: nessus is at 9 degrees libra, dejanera at 6 degrees aquarius, child 12 degrees aquarius, NN 4 degrees aquarius. And the moon at 16 degrees leo.
If it didn't happen in the family, do I still look at moon aspects?



If it hasn't already been said, Mars and Pluto can show pain. 12th house can be telling also about repressed memories! What planets, if any and asteroids fall in 12th, and where is the ruler located in your chart and its condition?
Also, if you would could you look at Sedna...she is Goddess of victims and any tight aspects to her that jump out to you?
Lilith, Blackmoon and asteroid(1181)
Where do they fall, any tight aspects...do any of these fall in your 8th or 12th, if so which ones?
Im so sorry for what your going through and that you don't feel your getting answers...the posts you mentioned where everyone was discussing the pain they had been through and the aspects relating, they were meant to be a support system...
I think your looking for something very specific, unfortunately with abuse...esp the things we can't handle so our mind blocks them out...these things are buried deep...thats why some abuse isn't as obvious in a persons chart...what is obvious is the denial or inability to handle these things! Like with me, i don't have any of the typical abuse signs in my chart...but i definitely had abuse....
What you do see is a lonely, unaspected moon in my 12th house...the abuse is what made me feel alone and in the 12th house shows my repressed memories.
Looking deeper, at these other asteroids we've mentioned...you start seeing little bits...even that Nessus sits on my MC, the darkness and pain of Nessus at the highest point in my chart shows this will be a stand out theme in my life!
So it would be amazing if maybe you could post a chart showing where these asteroids fall?
Sedna-Goddess of victims
BM Lilith
Chiron
--xtra
Lilith(1181)Pain/healing
Child(4636)Childhood/vulnerablity
Dejanira(157)Victimized/Victim
Nessus(7066)Abuser/Abuse
Veritas(490)Goddess of Truth
Psyche(16)Subconscious
Karma(3811)
Lie(26955)
Swindle(8690)

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posted September 26, 2012 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted September 26, 2012 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I'm so sorry!!

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posted September 26, 2012 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted September 26, 2012 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't know about that. I can check. I guess applying is stronger. Right?
What would your opinion of a 9 degree conjunction between the two? Thanks so much, Sorcha!


Ami, I have seen more of the squares and oppositions from Mars to Moon than conjunctions, but like Gabby mentioned above ^^^ there are other planets which are indicative of the same thing. I think you have Moon on your MC if I remember correctly? In your childhood, Mars conjunct it could mean some types of public shaming, as an example. Does Pluto or Saturn aspect your Moon at all? Also check the ruler of your IC (or planets in the 4th) to see what squares or oppositions might be there.

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posted September 26, 2012 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
geea, Posting your chart would be the easiest way to help you if you're looking specifically for aspects which you want to look at more closely.

As Gabby mentioned, this is a delicate subject that can be difficult for all of us to talk about at times and I think I speak for all of us when I say that I think we're all here trying to support one another (including you!) while looking through possible chart manifestations.

For example, that Pluto square Moon you mentioned sticks out at me so I would wonder what houses your Moon and Pluto are in?

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posted September 26, 2012 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi anonymidarkness,

Sorry to hear about your story I'm not sure if there is a total agreement about the exact meaning of Nessus. I've seen it described differently by different astrologers. But the one underlying theme seems to be that it is an energy associated with darkness. In your chart it can perhaps show how you have been exposed to this darkness and (IMO) how you can also use what you know about those dark experiences as a tool to help yourself and/or others because of your experiences.

I think it was this thread (?) where I was talking about my Sun and Venus conjuncting Nessus and squaring Pluto. If I don't deal with my 'darkside' properly or in a healthy way, it can take over and I can get depressed (which is essentially anger turned inward, towards yourself). But if I acknowledge it and use it then it becomes a force for healing ( and good).

Does that make any sense for you?

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posted September 26, 2012 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much, Sorcha! i will check and see what I can find.

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posted September 26, 2012 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Thanks so much, Sorcha! i will check and see what I can find.



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posted June 16, 2014 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Dave     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm looking at the chart of a friend who has confided in me that she was sexually assaulted very badly in her teenage years by a group of men. Also in her earlier life by an elder family member.

She has the following aspects:
Nessus square Pluto and Moon, Child square Chiron and Uranus, Dejanira square Uranus and conjunct Mars. She has Moon opposite Pluto. Also Dejanira trine Moon.

Seems like very hard aspects to me ( I'm a novice learning ). Thoughts???

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posted June 17, 2014 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please edit the posts(Sorcha's and Gabby's) which quoted my posts, thanks.

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posted June 17, 2014 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Re quoting posts -

I don't think anyone should quote personal posts automatically. It is often a pain to get stuck with bits of one's past circumstances displayed in quotes.

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posted June 17, 2014 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
To me, there is one stand out aspect for sexual abuse. I have never seem someone not have it when they have this aspect. Dejanira conjunct the Moon

The second would be Dejanira conj the Child asteroid.


What about Dejanira conjunct Sun, or would that be indicative of having a victim mentality -such a person who fails to establish boundaries.

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posted June 20, 2014 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Please edit the posts(Sorcha's and Gabby's) which quoted my posts, thanks.

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posted June 20, 2014 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
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Hope I got them all...let me know if I missed something!

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posted June 20, 2014 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Thanks.

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posted June 20, 2014 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 20, 2014 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(196) Philomela
Raped and brutalized by the one meant to protect her...
Loss of her ability to speak, her tongue was cut out to keep her from telling what had happened to her.

"According to Ovid, in the fifth year of Procne's marriage to Tereus, King of Thrace and son of Ares, she asked her husband to "Let me at Athens my dear sister to see or let her come to Thrace, and visit me."

Indulging his wife's request, Tereus agreed to travel to Athens and escort Philomela, his wife's sister, to Thrace.
King Pandion of Athens, the father of Philomela and Procne, was apprehensive about letting his only remaining daughter leave his home and protection and asks Tereus to protect her as if he were her father. Tereus agrees.

However, Tereus lusted for Philomela when he first saw her, and that lust grew during the course of the return voyage to Thrace.
Arriving in Thrace, he forced her to a cabin or lodge in the woods and raped her. After the assault, Tereus threatened her and advised her to keep silent.
Philomela was defiant and angered Tereus. In his rage, he was incited to cut out her tongue and abandon her in the cabin.
Rendered unable to speak because of her injuries, Philomela wove a tapestry (or a robe) that told her story and had it sent to Procne.
Procne was incensed and in revenge, she killed her son by Tereus, Itys (or Itylos), boiled him and served him as a meal to her husband. After Tereus ate Itys, the sisters presented him with the severed head of his son, and he became aware of their conspiracy and his cannibalistic meal.
He snatched up an axe and pursued them with the intent to kill the sisters. They fled but were almost overtaken by Tereus at Daulia in Phocis.
In desperation, they prayed to the gods to be turned into birds and escape Tereus' rage and vengeance. The gods transformed Procne into a swallow and Philomela into a nightingale.
Subsequently, the gods would transform Tereus into a hoopoe."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philomela


(2150) Nyctimene- Princess of Lesbos (in the Greek Aegean) who was raped by her own father. She fled to the woods and there hid herself in shame. Athena in sympathy transformed the girl into an owl, and appointed her as her animal familiar.
"Nyctimene, daughter of Epopeus, king of the Lesbians, is said to have been a most beautiful girl. Her father, Epopeus, smitten by passion, embraced her, and left her overcome by shame, she hid herself in the woods. Minerva [Athena] out of pity changed her into an owl, which, the owl out of shame, does not come into the light but appears only at night."

Epopeus was also a mythical Greek king of Sicyon, with an archaic bird-name that linked him to epops, the hoopoe, the "watcher". A fragment of Callimachus' Aitia appears to ask, "Why, at Sicyon, is it the hoopoe, and not the usual "splendid ravens", that is the bird of good omen?"


(665) Sabine- (10386) Romulus
Sabine Women in Ancient Rome
At first, it was mostly men who settled the city of Rome. It was a rough city and did not attract many women. Romulus realized this and tried to attract women from neighboring communities. He recognized that if Rome was to survive, it needed women to help populate the town. The Romans devised a plan to solve their problem. They invited a nearby tribe, the Sabians, to a festival. Once inside the city, the men were attacked and killed and the women abducted and raped (the word rape may refer to wife snatching, which was not uncommon in that time period). The surviving Sabian men returned to their city for reinforcements. They later returned to Rome with King Titus Tatius to get their women back. The Sabians were able to enter the city by getting a Roman to betray the city and unlock the gates. The city would have been sacked if not for the unexpected resistance the Sabians found once inside. The Sabians found the Romans being helped by their new Sabian wives. The wives called a halt to the violence. They explained to their tribe that they were happy with their new lives in Rome. The conflict was ended diplomatically by Romulus and Titus by agreeing that the two groups would become one with the seat of power staying in Rome. The Sabian patricians had power in the Rome government for years to follow.

Leda(38)-Zues(5731) Zues raped Leda

Lucretia (281) Raped by Prince Sextus Tarquinius

Dinah(17472) raped by Canaanite Prince(Biblical account)

Susanna(542) she was threatened to be raped by 2 elders. (Biblical account from the book of Daniel)

Tamar (326 Tamara?)raped by her half brother, Amnon.(2 Samuel, biblical account)

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posted June 23, 2014 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stellar_moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
To me, there is one stand out aspect for sexual abuse. I have never seem someone not have it when they have this aspect. Dejanira conjunct the Moon

The second would be Dejanira conj the Child asteroid.


My son has Dejanira conjunct Moon in the 12th house exact. I have NN conjunct Chiron in the 8th house. I was sexually abused as a child but I am most certain my son hasn't been. I am a little overprotective because of what happened to me. I tried to post about this in a different thread but I couldn't seem to get the charts to show up from photobucket. Ami Anne, I have spoken with you before, you touched on Chiron in my chart. I am going to be contacting you through your site and pay for a reading because I think your are one of the only people who will be able to shine some light on my situation.

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