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RedScorp
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posted October 20, 2012 06:43 AM
  
What orbs do you consider appropriate? What aspects do you use? Personally, I'm forming the opinion that very small orbs (of about 2) and only conjunctions are functional.But idk, what works for you guys? I reason such an opinion because asteroids are very specific, with rather certain meanings attached to each one. So therefore, if you must use less meaning, stronger meaning, you must use less orb, stronger aspect. Feedback anyone? IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted October 20, 2012 06:49 AM
I also reason such because if regular orb and other aspects aside from the conjunction were to be used, the chances of an asteroid being activated go up exponentially. Asteroids have concentrated meaning, so therefore, I want concentrated aspect. There are many asteroids too, with many of the same meanings...soon one meaning, shared among many asteroids, becomes more readily aspected. I personally prefer the core of things and I feel tight conjunctions bring up the core meaning faster and more dynamically.If I were to consider opposites, trines, or any other aspect for that matter (major or minor), I think the orb would have to be lessened to like, 1. Maybe even 0/exact.  IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted October 20, 2012 06:53 AM
Sorry if this is presented rather academically. I have just finished arguing with someone (arguing, not fighting! argue is = to debate in my vocabulary) and when I argue, Air Mercury takes over and I become some scholar, writing papers for a writing professor. You know...stating everything clearly, incisively, removing anything personal, be it bias, opinion of the person, or emotion.  IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted October 20, 2012 06:58 AM
my personal approach:conjunctions are the strongest and most significant and can be valid up to 3 degrees. For some reason however I have found EXACT trines to be extremely significant (maybe because the same element is emphasized?). I am using other aspects as well, but only up to 2 degrees TOPS.
EXACT aspects always deserve my attention, even if it should be just a sextile. however a 3 degree sextile between asteroids is basically meaningless imo.
Also, I have a certaina pproach to using asteroids. I donīt MIX different myths, UNLESS they signify the same thing (for example JUNO and ISIS are both queen goddesses and reside over marriage - they have something in common. However OSIRIS and ASTARTE may not).
Paying much attention to "pairings":
Jupiter-Juno
Zeus - Hera
Pluto - Proserpina or Persephone
Adonis - Aphrodite or Venus
Dionysos or Bacchus - Ariadne
Eros - Psyche
Osiris - Isis
Siva - Kaali or Parvati
However for the pairings I prefer "divine complements/ pairings" to mortal ones like Lancelot and Guinevere for example. These may be important as well, of course. But I just think ther eis a reason people invented a divine pantheon, ther eis something very archetypical about them, and the human pairings may be more specific, maybe even in a past life sense.
However personally I love Lancelot and Guinevere and Tristan and Isolde, but they just "feel" different in impact to me.
Of course I have my certain set of "love asteroids" I always check.
But these may be different for every astrologer.
I have had to make these guidelines for me, cause I just need a systematic approach, anything else is not comparable to me.
So I have my relatively fixed set of core asteroids, and only in very secondary or tertiary sense I look up specific others.
It might feel quite arbitrary, but that is how it is workable to me.
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Ceridwen
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posted October 20, 2012 07:04 AM
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Originally posted by RedScorp:
I also reason such because if regular orb and other aspects aside from the conjunction were to be used, the chances of an asteroid being activated go up exponentially. Asteroids have concentrated meaning, so therefore, I want concentrated aspect. There are many asteroids too, with many of the same meanings...soon one meaning, shared among many asteroids, becomes more readily aspected. I personally prefer the core of things and I feel tight conjunctions bring up the core meaning faster and more dynamically.If I were to consider opposites, trines, or any other aspect for that matter (major or minor), I think the orb would have to be lessened to like, 1. Maybe even 0/exact.
I completely agree with you.
If I really look at how I am doing it. I actually find myself most often concentrating on the conjunction/ opposition up to 2 degrees, and the other aspect with maybe 1°30, depending if there are other tighter aspects.
Usually a sextile would get only one degree orb at most for me, but I expand it to 1°30 if that asteroid is conjunct another important object.
Example:
Her Psyche: 24°03 Aquarius
his Eros: 22°43 Aries
his Mercury: 24°48 Aries
It is still not foreground, as the orbs are rather generous, and we are talking about asextile here.
But I find it difficult to separate his Eros from his MErcury in this instance, they are conjunct within 2 degrees approximately, and it may give him quite some rogue verbal charm; he may easily eroticize or attract by using his tongue - speaking I mean. 
And doing so in a rather straightforward way. IP: Logged |
Aeline
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posted October 20, 2012 07:10 AM
I am sticking to small orbs unless it's a dw or a soulmate couple, you know. But i prefer using only conjunctions and oppositions with asteroids. IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted October 20, 2012 08:09 AM
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he may easily eroticize or attract by using his tongue - speaking I mean.
l o l Ceridwen, I've seen you around for like, ever, but I never saw...or if I did I forgot...what gender do you go by?  @Aeline; that seems to be the general census...  IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted October 20, 2012 08:31 AM
For this incarnation I go by the female gender. And to be honest can`t identify with any other gender, though I am not "typically feminine". *sighs* Courtesy of an Aqua Moon and Sag stellium I guess.
and the balance of an exact Isis-Osiris-conjunction near to my Venus (2 degrees most).You? IP: Logged |
ail221
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posted October 20, 2012 08:37 AM
For conjunctions I actually go up to four orbs simply because if I notice a heavy pattern of conjunct Divine soulmate patterns say Eros-Psyche, Siva-Kaali, apollo-innannen, etc.
Even people that are textbook soulmates(Joanne Woodland and Paul Newman) have wider orbs and if there are more than 5 cases of say 4 orb conjunctions I'll still take those into consideration. With sextiles up to two orbs, trines and oppositions up to 3 orbs if they are trine luminaries. IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted October 20, 2012 08:49 AM
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You?
I'm a male! But like, have you SEEN me???? I'm tall and lanky with hardly any weight to me (muscle or fat). I have these big, beautiful lips and these rather soft features...and hair! Long, voluminous hair. Someone asked if it was a wig once because they said it was too quality for a guy! Lollll. I'm like a mash up of male and female characteristics. Ahem, for meeee... Eros: 21 Scorpio
Psyche: 11 Aquarius Isis: 8 Taurus
Osiris: 7 Pisces (ou sextile whataya know!) Siva: 18 Taurus
Kaali: 29 Scorpio IP: Logged |
Aeline
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posted October 20, 2012 09:21 AM
Yes, i have seen on those textbook samples, that even Moon and SN conjunction is taken into account - of 6 degrees... however, if i'd take such an orb for every connection i have my Moon conjunct their SN, i'd have soo much "soulmates" in my life, because my Moon is in my SN zone, basically all people born around that year has their SN near mine. So, take 6 degree orb both sides, and you've got huge amount of people.. However, maybe it makes sense, because i feel bonded with them too, just not in a way i am with the one, who has his SN EXACTLY on my Moon. SO - maybe it is ok to use wider orbs, but be aware that - the closer the orb, the closer the connection. IP: Logged |
ail221
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posted October 20, 2012 09:39 AM
@Red scorpio regardless look at asteroids that are important to individual natal charts. Certain asteroids are more relevant to certain people regardless of exact conjunctions with one another asteroids if they have a past life or karma connected to them.IP: Logged |
Aeline
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posted October 20, 2012 09:43 AM
I also would recommend looking at asteroids that conjunct exactly or 1 degree personal points, like ASC/dsc , IC/MC axes. And then see what they are, what theme do they imply and pay higher attention to that theme. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted October 20, 2012 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by ail221:
For conjunctions I actually go up to four orbs simply because if I notice a heavy pattern of conjunct Divine soulmate patterns say Eros-Psyche, Siva-Kaali, apollo-innannen, etc.
Even people that are textbook soulmates(Joanne Woodland and Paul Newman) have wider orbs and if there are more than 5 cases of say 4 orb conjunctions I'll still take those into consideration. With sextiles up to two orbs, trines and oppositions up to 3 orbs if they are trine luminaries.
How are Apollo and Inannen a pairing?
I do agree on the other things though. But want to emphasize that it is important to find at least one or two very tight soulmate pairs aspect (Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward had that as well, I think it was exact Pluto-Proserpina on the DESC and an exact Juno-Jupiter-opposition. 2 exact strong soulmate aspects is pretty amazing in itself)
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Ceridwen
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posted October 20, 2012 10:06 AM
Red Scorpio,"But like, have you SEEN me???? "
Who knows?
" I'm tall and lanky with hardly any weight to me (muscle or fat)."
So the physical opposite of me. lol WEll, I am quite tall as well, but not lanky. "and hair! Long, voluminous hair."
Auburn?
"Eros: 21 Scorpio
Psyche: 11 Aquarius"
Interesting. we both have a water ERos and Aquarius-Pisces. actually your Eros trines my Eros exactly and squares my Psyche widely (3 dgrees - too wide to really count, but close enough to be interesting)
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Isis: 8 Taurus
Osiris: 7 Pisces (ou sextile whataya know!)"
YOU are kidding me, right? 
My Isis is on 8 Capricorn and my Osirs on 7 Capricorn. And actually my Horus and ECchnaton are both on 7 Pisces. "Siva: 18 Taurus
Kaali: 29 Scorpio"
WE have almost a siva-opposition, as my siva is on 15 Scorpio.
these astrological synchronicities never cease to amaze me.
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Ceridwen
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posted October 20, 2012 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by Aeline:
I also would recommend looking at asteroids that conjunct exactly or 1 degree personal points, like ASC/dsc , IC/MC axes. And then see what they are, what theme do they imply and pay higher attention to that theme.
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RedScorp
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posted October 20, 2012 11:03 AM
@Aeline; I have Lie conjunct the Descendant.......... @Ceridwen; oh NO! Looks like we got some steamy asteroids going on l m a o quote:
@Red scorpio regardless look at asteroids that are important to individual natal charts. Certain asteroids are more relevant to certain people regardless of exact conjunctions with one another asteroids if they have a past life or karma connected to them.
Oh gee AIL! Sorry! I didn't see your previous post. How would I determine which are more important to my own natal chart? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted October 20, 2012 12:58 PM
lolMaybe we knew each other in an Egyptian past life. With the Egyptian asteroids so prominent....
ASteroids which are conjunct Sun, Moon, ASC, IC, nodal axis, Karma and Venus/Mars seem to be pretty important.
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ail221
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posted October 20, 2012 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
How are Apollo and Inannen a pairing?I do agree on the other things though. But want to emphasize that it is important to find at least one or two very tight soulmate pairs aspect (Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward had that as well, I think it was exact Pluto-Proserpina on the DESC and an exact Juno-Jupiter-opposition. 2 exact strong soulmate aspects is pretty amazing in itself)
Tired typo Adonis
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ail221
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posted October 20, 2012 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by RedScorp:
@Aeline; I have Lie conjunct the Descendant.......... @Ceridwen; oh NO! Looks like we got some steamy asteroids going on l m a o Oh gee AIL! Sorry! I didn't see your previous post. How would I determine which are more important to my own natal chart?
If a asteroid is prominent in your chart say Persephone, Eros, Amenhotep etc are conjunct your Sun/moon/asc/SN/NN tight conjunctions under 2 degrees. IP: Logged |
Aeline
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posted October 20, 2012 01:10 PM
So i have this witchy theme very prominent in my natal chart, what do i do next with them? What can i possibly conclude from that or use further? :/ Say, Moon exactly conjunct Hekate/Parvati, SN exactly conjunct Circe, Sun exactly conjunct Medea, IC conjunct Lilith (2), etc. I guess, if there are more, they are somewhere too. So, maybe i have to see where these land in the charts of the people i make contacts with? IP: Logged |
ail221
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posted October 20, 2012 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by Aeline:
So i have this witchy theme very prominent in my natal chart, what do i do next with them? What can i possibly conclude from that or use further? :/ Say, Moon exactly conjunct Hekate/Parvati, SN exactly conjunct Circe, Sun exactly conjunct Medea, IC conjunct Lilith (2), etc. I guess, if there are more, they are somewhere too. So, maybe i have to see where these land in the charts of the people i make contacts with?
Think of it like this Hekate and Parvati of both goddess with multiple incarnations. Hekate being the triple moon goddess and Parvati the mother goddess and some myths simply referred to as the power goddess. Meaning a maternal past life connection to a position of power. With a SN conjunct Circe look for connections to Odysseus (1143)they did have a romantic affair and children while he was one her island. Hekate/circe/medea/lilith are all connection to darker primal feminine power. Medea is the niece of Circe whose is the daughter of Hekate, and Lilith is supposedly the mother all of primal feminine magic/witchcraft/sexuality. Maybe you looking at a line of magick in a past life. Medea's spouse is Jason from the myth of Jason and the Argonauts.
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Aeline
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posted October 20, 2012 01:49 PM
Yes, magic was there, i even got to witchy trials in England, based on my past life memories, which are proven by real factual data. And in the next it was also there as well. And about Odysseus - i'll check it out in synastry, but it struck me again - it's conjunct exactly my Mercury (chart ruler). You're so right! Thanks! IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted October 20, 2012 07:03 PM
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Sun/moon/asc/SN/NN tight conjunctions under 2 degrees.
Okay! Will definitely look into! Time to refer back to the other thread I listed... Thank u Ail! (ps if I'm Loki, r u Thor? ) IP: Logged |
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