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Topic: Asteroids Lie/Swindle Strike Again
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JoJo
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posted October 22, 2012 10:44 PM
  
For those of you who have been participating with my in my Becoming Whole Together http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/002745.html thread, I have since found out that he was carrying on the text sex affair with not one woman, but 12 total. He's begging me to come back to him, saying he'll get counseling and change, but I'm done. You might be interested to know that I decided to look up the asteroids Lie/Swindle in our synastry and composite. What I saw made me sick to my stomach, because up until the bottom fell out of my world, I would have never believed he would have lied to me or hurt me the way he has. Check this out: His Lie
Trines my Jupiter - exact
Conjunct my Saturn - 4 deg
Opposite my Neptune - 2 deg
Trine my Pluto - 1 deg
Conjunct my Chiron - exact
Trine my ASC - 1 deg His Swindle
Conjunct my son -exact
Conjunct my Mercury - exact My Lie
Sextiles his Mars - 1 deg
Opposite his Uranus - exact
Conjunct his Chiron - 2 deg
Trines his ASC - 3 deg My Swindle
Trines his Moon - 3 deg In the Composite: Lie and Swindle both conjunct Chiron (so they're conjunct each other too I guess). They also both trine Neptune, opposite Uranus, and trine the ASC I remember something Ami said about Chiron/Venus connections, and interestingly, his Chiron conjncts my Venus 3 deg and my Chiron sextiles his Venus 1 deg. It was over just as quickly as it started. Thanks to the relationship, I have healed in so many ways, but I'm walking away so damaged in others. I will be checking the asteroids Swindle and Lie from now on - you can count on that.
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JoJo
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posted October 22, 2012 10:59 PM
Here's the chart with the asteroids. Looks like out Lie asteroids are conjunct each other as well...  IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted October 22, 2012 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by JoJo:
Here's the chart with the asteroids. Looks like out Lie asteroids are conjunct each other as well
With his lie conjunct dejanira he must be lying out of insecurity and fear...but that conjunction of dejanira to your chiron...did you find it was a cycle of you both activating each others fears and insecurities? ...esp since its all in pisces, the sign that turns passive aggressive and self sabotages instead of saying whats going on in their heads and working to get their needs in a healthy positive way!
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BlackSeraph
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posted October 22, 2012 11:19 PM
A few things jumping out at me:- His Lie/Dejanira on your Chiron
- His Swindle on your Mercury/Sun, with his North Node close by.
- His Mercury on your Dejanira Sounds to me he felt like the victim (lying to himself as well as you) when you finally had enough and booted him. Also what looks like you being victimized by his messages (the texting/cheating)... eerie. Out of curiosity, where are the Nessus placements? I'm wondering if they aren't factoring into this synastry as well, and I'm very willing to bet that they do. Your Mars on his Jupiter/Union/Aphrodite (all of his, retrograde) in both of your fourth houses, definitely also strikes out at me with his being kicked out and you not buying his "he'll change" story. And I don't blame you. Even without looking at the synastry, I'd say it's good you kicked him to the curb when you did. Still, I have a feeling you should be careful to be on the safe side. He doesn't sound like he's playing with a full deck. IP: Logged |
JoJo
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posted October 22, 2012 11:56 PM
My Nessus makes the following aspects to himConjunct his Mars 2 deg
Trine his Uranus - exact
Sextile his Chiron - 1 deg
Sextile his ASC - 1 deg His Nessus
Squares my Sun - 1 deg
Squares my Mercury - 1 deg
Sextiles my Venus - 2 deg
Sextile a my MC - 2 deg Is that significant? IP: Logged |
JoJo
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posted October 22, 2012 11:59 PM
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Originally posted by Gabby:
With his lie conjunct dejanira he must be lying out of insecurity and fear...but that conjunction of dejanira to your chiron...did you find it was a cycle of you both activating each others fears and insecurities? ...esp since its all in pisces, the sign that turns passive aggressive and self sabotages instead of saying whats going on in their heads and working to get their needs in a healthy positive way!
Sort of. Yes. But we weren't passive aggressive at all. We were close and loving until the last two months when things started getting weird. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted October 23, 2012 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by JoJo:
Sort of. Yes. But we weren't passive aggressive at all. We were close and loving until the last two months when things started getting weird.
It usually doesnt show up until after awhile, i had a pisces mars ex...it took awhile for him to finally fall into the pattens that let me see him for the liar he was, sometimes! Sometimes, he was amazing and sweet and my best friend...wish your guy, and my ex also would have been able to handle things better! Sorry for what your going through!!  IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted October 23, 2012 09:06 AM
Thank you Jojo. It really helps to look back at any charts, so one can learn. The charts are the single most wonderful tool for life. When you have been burned by an aspect, you learn, intimately what an aspect can do, in one's life. I got that with Chiron conj the NN in synastry. My most popular article seems to be on that subject.
I will look.------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted October 23, 2012 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by JoJo:
Sort of. Yes. But we weren't passive aggressive at all. We were close and loving until the last two months when things started getting weird.
Did you feel you found your soul mate, prior to this? The closeness of some of these aspects can feel like a true soul mate until it explodes later  ------------------
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JoJo
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posted October 23, 2012 09:46 AM
I did for a while. But I was and am still struggling with my left over feelings for Cancer in my Crazy Yearning thread.I had IQ do a reading of our charts and he loved the synastry/composite. Said we were soul mates. Just goes to show you that soul mates aren't always what we think they are. I definitely agree that our coming together had a purpose for both of us though. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted October 24, 2012 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by JoJo:
I did for a while. But I was and am still struggling with my left over feelings for Cancer in my Crazy Yearning thread.I had IQ do a reading of our charts and he loved the synastry/composite. Said we were soul mates. Just goes to show you that soul mates aren't always what we think they are. I definitely agree that our coming together had a purpose for both of us though.
It makes it so much harder when you have so much great understanding and all the positives going for you together, as a couple, then it seems they just throw it away! Their behavior doesnt fit with reality, because there was no reason why they did what they did!! I'm so sorry! When things like this happen i try to accept there must have been things going on in their heart and heads that had nothing to do with me or reality. They were probably acting out on some unresolved issues that had happened long ago, probably are unaware of how deeply those issues affect them, even today! Again, i'm so sorry! IP: Logged |
iQ
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posted October 24, 2012 08:15 AM
This is the case of one Soul Mate Self-Sabotaging the relationship. Deep down, it is low self worth that makes the guy sabotage a loving relationship. The problems stem from the guy identifying more with the negatives in his chart during harsh transits, and then overriding the good of synastry/composite with a loving Soul Mate.
It is depressing but sadly more and more common these days. He is hurting more than he can express but it could take months of therapy for him to prevent the self-sabotage from ruining things. He played out the wounds of Chiron than using the healing opportunity.One small positive in all this is that he stopped with texting. There are creeps who hurt their loved ones by full blown physical affairs. And harsh Uranus Transits are almost always present in such ugly mis-adventures. IP: Logged |
EmpressMendez
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posted October 25, 2012 04:38 AM
Hey, I don't know much about astrology, but did things get physical with the ladies, or was it just text??IP: Logged |
JoJo
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posted October 25, 2012 09:51 AM
No. It was just texting and photos IP: Logged |
EmpressMendez
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posted October 25, 2012 08:44 PM
Oh..there are many men who are all "talk". If I were you and I really cared about the person I would give them a chance since it's all "talk".You say he will go to counseling for it (I don't see it as a big deal myself, but then again I'm not "normal", lol), why not give him a chance?? There are men out there who would actually act on it. He was merely talking..no action.."actions speak louder than words" and if he's willing to stop for you, why not hear him out? IP: Logged |
Lily
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posted October 26, 2012 11:17 PM
Is his Venus and/or mercury on Algol? IP: Logged |
JoJo
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posted October 27, 2012 12:18 AM
I've thought long and hard about this and what you guys don't know is this isn't as simple as sending dirty texts. He had some really horrible things happen to him as a child and it somehow turned into a compulsion. He spent a long time in therapy dealing with his issues and had done so well for so long that he became complacent. Sort of like a recovering alcoholic who falls off the wagon after being sober for five years. He ignored the warning signs and the demons took control. The bad part is this all happened before I knew him so I didn't know unti the bomb was dropped in my lap. I am not making excuses and don't condone what he did. But maybe this is what he needed to remind himself how important it is to be deligent - always. I've thought long and hard, and have decided to stand by him. He's already back in counseling and I will be joining him as well. I think that if we can work through this together, then we will be able to work through anything. This whole ordeal made me face some not so nice things about myself as well. It's been hard, it will be hard, and I don't know what will become of us in the long run. I feel like we'll make it through, but no matter what, I know we will end up exactly where we're supposed to be. So I'm choosing to believe. (Guess that's my Pisces talking). I'm choosing to support him while he does the work. I feel like its the right thing to do IP: Logged |
EmpressMendez
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posted October 27, 2012 04:55 AM
I wish you two the best and hope it works out!IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted October 27, 2012 05:10 AM
WOW
That is great Jo. We are all flawed creatures ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted October 27, 2012 05:12 AM
That was interesting what IQ said about self sabotage. How easy it is to do this to oneself?
It makes me think of the saying that it is so much easier to go down than stay the same or go up *sigh*
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seeker3030
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posted October 28, 2012 08:08 PM
So very sorry to read this thread and yet very encouraged to hear that you're going to stick with it and see if he can rise above his behaviour Jojo! All good wishes and thoughts to you both and I really hope you work things out I've recently met a guy who has bowled me over. He's not only expressed love in very beautiful terms but he's proving it in actions too. "What's wrong?!" I hear you cry... well his Swindle and Lie both conjunct my Moon and Dejanira, plus my own Swindle conjuncts his Mercury and Swindle, and my Lie conjuncts his Dejanira. Not a pleasant little corner of our chart to behold! So... to run or to wait and see? Not sure really but inspired by JoJo's example, I think I'll stick around in the hope that somehow we'll manage to rise above the negatives and allow the positives to do the talking. IP: Logged |
JoJo
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posted February 02, 2013 04:58 PM
I finally left him three weeks ago. I just couldn't see forever with him no matter how hard I looked. He's currently looking for a new place to live and I'll be glad when this is all finally behind me. I've decided to take a one year sabbatical from relationships and hang out with myself. Looking forward to the peace and quiet. IP: Logged |
Mkya00
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From: Hawkins, IN
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posted January 01, 2018 04:54 PM
Anyone have thoughts on someone with Lie and Swindle less than 1 deg on their Midheaven?I know Donald Trump has Lie on his MC, here is a good write-up about that:
http://mountainastrologer.com/tma/u-s-election-matter-truth I have someone in my life that has both Lie and Swindle on their MC. MC = 27d 10m Scorpio
Lie = 26d 29m Scorpio
Swindle = 27d 9m Scorpio This person's Moon in Gemini is inconjunct their MC/Lie/Swindle. Also, Dejanira conjunct Neptune in the 10th house. Any thoughts would GREATLY be appreciated. IP: Logged |
Mkya00
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From: Hawkins, IN
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posted January 03, 2018 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by Mkya00:
Anyone have thoughts on someone with Lie and Swindle less than 1 deg on their Midheaven?I know Donald Trump has Lie on his MC, here is a good write-up about that:
http://mountainastrologer.com/tma/u-s-election-matter-truth I have someone in my life that has both Lie and Swindle on their MC. MC = 27d 10m Scorpio
Lie = 26d 29m Scorpio
Swindle = 27d 9m Scorpio This person's Moon in Gemini is inconjunct their MC/Lie/Swindle. Also, Dejanira conjunct Neptune in the 10th house. Any thoughts would GREATLY be appreciated.
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Randall
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