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I have been wondering about the importance of Black moon lilith in Synastry despite it being a hypothetical point because it pops up in synastries of certain couples therefore it seems to hold some importance.
How has bml in appeared in your past synastries what have you noticed?

"Black Moon Lilith is not about any of the above. Her bad reputation may have come about because of her electric magnetism, psychic abilities and power to mesmerize. Obviously, these gifts are wonderful unless they are used for manipulation, mind control and promoting evil deeds. But in herself, she is not “evil.” However, she is bewitching.

Lastly, of course, she is highly sexual. Her sexuality is not primarily used for procreation, which for some religions is deemed as sinful. So, its power can be used for spiritual enlightenment and finding the god/goddess within. This is very threatening for Western religions that place Godliness outside the human body and Mother Earth. This is how Lilith became demonized.

Black Moon Lilith
Harmonious Lilith aspects between partners will show how you can bring magic into each other’s life. Like a good Mars/Venus connection, it will show how Tantric your sexual relations could be. It also shows how magnetically attracted you are to each other – the all important chemistry. Hard aspects to the personal planets may show an irresistible, obsessive attraction, the sort that hypnotizes you into abandoning your more regular Moon/domestic commitments. Hence, her reputation as a “bunny boiler.” On the other hand, she can break the spell of entrenched habitual behavior.

Therefore, synastry connections with Black Moon Lilith show where you feel this magic and how it plays out. Double whammys (for example, your Lilith aspects their Sun and their Lilith aspects your Sun) are great because they give each partner the opportunity to be “The Lilith,” and that makes them the most powerful of all.

Black Moon Lilith/Sun aspects
Harmonious: The Sun partner will flood the Lilith partner with magical sunbeams, amping up their power. The Lilith partner will inspire creativity in the Sun partner, making them feel like a King or Queen.
Stressful: The Sun partner will feel their ego undermined by a manipulative Lilith. Lilith could feel dominated and crushed by a bossy Sun and respond by attempting to darken their light.

Black Moon Lilith/Moon aspects
Harmonious: The Moon partner will resonate with the Lilith’s nocturnal magical world, inspiring dreams and heightening their intuition. The Lilith partner will shake the Moon out of bad habits and inspire them to focus on their own magic and not let them get bogged down by domesticity.
Stressful: The Moon partner could smother Lilith’s sexuality and want to tame their animal magnetism. Lilith could manipulate the Moon partner emotionally and tempt them away from domestic responsibilities.

Black Moon Lilith/Mercury aspects
Harmonious: The Mercury partner can inspire magic words and poetry from the Lilith partner. The Lilith partner can read the Mercury partner’s mind. Together, they can amplify each other’s psychic abilities and turn each other on with words.
Stressful: The Mercury person could use logic to demean the Lilith person’s intuitive reasoning. The Lilith partner could penetrate and brainwash the Mercury person’s mind.

Black Moon Lilith/Venus aspects
Harmonious: The Venus partner will give pure love to Lilith’s raw sexuality, refining to its highest vibration. The Lilith partner can ignite a fire in the Venus partner and push their love to tantric ecstasy.
Stressful: The Venus partner could feel overwhelmed and threatened by the Lilith partner’s powerful sexuality. The Lilith partner may feel trapped by Venusian materialism and be unimpressed by the Venus partner’s weakness for surface beauty and bling!

Black Moon Lilith/Mars aspects
Harmonious The Mars partner will be firing on all cylinders from the Lilith’s partners sexual enthusiasm, a recipe for releasing the Kundalini if ever there was one. The Lilith partner will be constantly “on heat” from their ardent Mars partner.
Stressful: The negative side of this contact is if the aspect is not played out sexually. The Mars partner’s rage will be ignited by the Lilith partner, resulting in possible violence or verbal abuse. The Lilith partner’s frustration and sexual jealousy could result in Lilith psychically attacking and directing too much energy toward the Mars partner, draining their own creativity. If played out sexually, it is one that could enflame fiercely, then burn out.

Black Moon Lilith/Jupiter aspects
Harmonious: The Jupiter partner will feel spiritualized and uplifted by the Lilith partner. The Lilith partner will feel their magic expanded by the enthusiastic Jupiter partner, and in return will worship them as a God or Goddess!
Stressful: The Jupiter partner may feel constricted by the Lilith partner’s sexual demands. The Lilith partner may feel the Jupiter partner overly judgmental of their wild and less than ecclesiastical behaviour.

Black Moon Lilith/Saturn aspects
Harmonious: The Saturn partner feels poetic, loosens up and inspired to break the rules when the Lilith partner waves their magic wand. The Lilith partner crystallizes their magic into solid form, thanks to Saturn’s discipline.
Stressful: The Saturn partner could put the Lilith partner’s sexuality on a leash, constricting them too tightly and thereby trapping their creativity. The Lilith partner may enjoy teasing and tempting the Saturn partner out of their responsibilities – and seducing them away from their work.

About the Author
Marina Caruso is an Astrologer and Illustrator. Her work is inspired by symbolism, synchro-mysticism, myths, the fixed stars and constellations, pop culture, psychology and Lilith. Learn more about her at Funkastrology."
http://sasstrology.com/2010/03/black-moon-lilith-in-synastry.html

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BML contacts
15 Soulmate couples
asteroids used in the comparison : Eros, Psyche, valentine, amor, lust, union, casanova, karma, kama,chiron, and pallas

1)Woodward-Newman
Her bml conjunct his Sun 4 orbs
His BML trine her sun 3orb
His BML Sextile her neptune 2 orbs
His BML sextile her NN exact

2)Wilson-Hanks
Her BML opp his moon 3 orbs
Her BML QX his mercury
Her bml opp his uranus 4 orbs
Her bml sextile his NN 1 orb
Her bml conjunct his chiron 4 orbs
Her bml conjunct his Eros 1 orb
Her bml sextile his karma 1 orb

His BML sq his Mercury 1 orb
His BML trine her venus exact
His BML trine her jupiter 1 orb
His BML opp her vertex 1 orb
His BML conjunct her eros 5 orbs too wide
His BML conjunct her psyche exact
His BML trine her valentine exact
His BML opp her karma 3 orb
His BML trine her mc 2 orbs

3)Banderas-Griffith
His BML trine her NN 4 orbs
His BML trine her BML 2 orbs
His BML sextile her pallas 2 orbs
His BML sextiler her amor 1 orb
His BML square karma 1 orb

Her BML square his mars 2 orbs
Her BML trine his neptune 1 orb
Her BML opposite his pluto 3 orbs
Her BML sextile pallas 3 orbs
Her BML square his juno 3 orbs
Her BML square his psyche 3 orbs
Her BML conjunct his asc 2 orbs

4)Robert Browning- Elizabeth Browning

His BML conjunct her moon 3 orbs
His BML QX her mercury exact
His BML square her jupiter/NN 3 orbs
His BML conjunct her Eros exact
His BML qx her valentine 1 orb
His BML square her lust exact
Her BML opp his vertex 3 orbs
Her BML sextile his eros 5 orbs too wide
Her BML trine casanova and kama 4 orbs but too wide

5)Bogart-Bacall
His BML opposite her pallas 4 orbs
His BML square her eros 1 orb
His BML qx her valentine 2 orbs
His BML conjunct her casanova 4 orbs too wide
His BML sextile her kama 2 orbs

Her BML conjunct his Pluto 4 orbs
Her BML opposite his NN exact
Her BML opp his chiron 1 orb
Her BML trine his vertex exact
Her BML opp his pallas 1 orb
Her BML qx his juno exact
Her BML trine his psyche 2 orbs
Her BML sextile valentine 2 orbs
Her BML sextile his lust 1 orb
Her BML square kama 3 orbs

6)Cash-Carter
His bml trine her mars 1 orb
His bml trine her saturn 4 orbs
His bml sextile her vesta 1 orb
His bml trine her Eros exact
His bml trine her lust 2 orbs
His bml sextile her kama 2 orbs

Her BML sextile his mercury 2 orbs
Her BML sextile his mars 2 orbs
Her BML trine her neptune 3 orbs
Her BML sextile his eros exact
Her BML trine his Psyche 3 orbs
Her BML sextile his lust 2 orbs
Her BML sextile his kama 2 orbs

7)Oliver-Leigh
His bml QX her mercury exact
His bml qx her uranus 1 orb
His bml conjunct her pluto 4 orbs
His bml qx her pallas exact
His bml qx her psyche exact
His bml square her kama 1 orb
His bml qx her casanova 1 orb

Her BML sextile his sun 2 orbs
Her BML sextile her mercury exact
Her BML conjunct his saturn 2 orbs
Her BML trine his nn 2 orbs
Her BML opp her valentine 3 orbs
Her BML opp his lust 1 orb
Her BML opp his kama exact
Her BML conjunct union 5 orbs

8)Edgar Cayce-Gertrude
His BML trine her mars 3 orbs
His BML qx her Uranus exact
His BML sq her Neptune 2 orbs
His BML square her chiron 1 orb
His BML trine her BML exact
His BML qx her juno exact
His BML sextile her vesta exact

Her BML square his NN 3 orbs
Her BML qx his vertex exact
Her BML trine his Eros 3 orbs
Her BML sextile his lust exact
Her BMLsquare his Union 2 orbs

9)Hepburn-Tracy
Her BML opp his saturn 1 orb
Her BML trine his juno 2 orbs
Her BML trine his Eros 4 orbs
Her BML square his Psyche 3 orbs
Her BML opp his Amor 1 orb
Her BML sextile his Casanova exact

His BML trine her mars exact
His BML trine her Uranus 2 orbs
His BML square her Vertex 3 orbs
His BML opp her Eros exact
His BML trine her amor 1 orb
His BML square her casanova 4 orbs
His BML qx her karma 2 orbs
His BML opp her union 4 orbs

10)Pierre-Marie Curie
His BML sextile her mars 1 orb
His BML square her juno exact
His BML qx her amor exact
His BML conjunct her valentine 5 orbs

Her BML square his venus 2 orb
Her BML trine his casanova 3 orbs
Her BML qx his kama 1 orb
Her BML trine his union 3 orbs
Her BML sextile his asc 2 orbs

11)Kahlo-Rivera
Her BML sq his uranus 1 orb
Her BML trine his BML 2 orbs
Her BML square his vesta 1 orb
Her BML sextile his psyche exact
Her BML trine his valentine 1 orb

His BML trine her sun exact
His BML sextile her mars exact
His BML sextile her uranus 2 orbs
His BML trine her neptune exact
His BML square her vesta exact
His BML opp her psyche 1orb
His BML square her amor 3 orbs
His BML trine her casanova exact

12)Paul-Linda McCarthy
His BML trine her Mercury 3 orbs
His BML sextile her mars exact
His BML conjunct her jupiter 1 orb
His BML square her NN exact
His BML conjunct her vertex
His BML trine her vesta 3 orb
His BML square her Eros 1 orb
His BML sextile her psyche 1 orb
His BML qx her lust exact
His BML opp her union 2 orbs

Her BML conjunct his venus 3 orbs
Her BML trine his vertex 1 orb
Her BML sextile his union 2 orbs
Her BML qx his MC 1 orb

13)Burton-Taylor
His BML qx her sun exact
His BML qx her mercury exact
His BML qx her eros 1 orb
His BML opp her union 3 orbs

Her BML trine his neptune 2 orb
Her BML conjunct his chiron 2 orbs
Her BML trine his juno 3 orbs
Her BML conjunct his amor exact

14)Hearst-Davies
His BML opp her sun 1 orb
His BML opp her moon 4 orbs
His BML sextile her jupiter 1 orb
His BML trine her chiron exact
His BML sextile her psyche exact
His BML sextile her karma exact
His BML square her MC 3 orbs

Her BML sextile his mars 1 orb
Her BML trine his Casanova
Her BML sextile his union 2 orbs
Her BML sextile his mc 1 orb

15)Mira- Sri
His BML sq her moon 2orbs
His BML opposite her jupiter 4 orbs
His BML square her chiron exact
His BML sq her vertex 2 orbs
His BML opp her juno 3 orbs
His BML square her casanova exact
His BML trine her kama 2 orbs
His BML sextile her asc 2 orbs
His BML opp her mc 2 orbs

Her BML opp her mercury exact
Her BML qx his jupiter 1 orb
Her BML sextile his saturn exact
Her BML sq his pallas 2 orbs
Her BML sq his eros exact
Her BML trine his casanova 1 orb
Her BML opp his karma 2 orbs

BML-Sun :5/15
BML-Moon:4/15
BML-Mercury:8/15
BML-Venus:3/15
BML-Mars:7/15
BML-Jupiter:5/15
BML-Saturn:4/15
BML-Pluto:1/15
BML-NN:8/15
BML-Vertex:7/15
BML-asc:3/15
BML-Mc:4/15
BML-Eros:9/15
BML-Psyche:8/15
BML-Juno:7/15
BML-Amor:5/15
BML-Karma:5/15
BML-BML:3/15
BML-Valentine:6/15
BML-Neptune:6/15
BML-Union:7/15
BML-Pallas: 4/15
BML-Lust:6/15
BML-Casanova:8/15

1)BML-Eros aspects appear the most frequent
2)BML/Casanova, BML/Mercuruy, BML/Psyche, and BML/North Node aspects
3)BML/Juno, BML/Union, BML/Vertex, BML/Mars aspects
4) BML/Neptune, BML/Valentine and BML/Lust apsects
5)BML/Sun, BML/Jupiter, BML/Karma, and BML/Amor
6) BML/Pallas, BML/MC, BML/Saturn, and BML/Moon
7)BML/BML, BML/Venus, and BML/ASC
8) The Least common aspect is BML/Pluto

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Tropical composite with house placement: 3rd house most common, 1st,5th,12th,and 11th house appear twice, 9th,2nd and 8th least common.
Composite
joanne_woodward----paul_newman
3rd house
BML trine vertex 2 orbs
BML square pluto 3 orbs
BML sextile Eros 1 orb
BML QX Casanova exact
BML opp kama 1 orb
BML qx UNION 1 orb

rita_wilson---tom_hanks_
3rd house
Conjunct Eros 2 orbs
qx Kama 1 orb
square Asc exact
qx mercury 1 orb
sextile saturn 1 orb
square neptune 1 orb
sextile NN 3 orbs

antonio_banderas---melanie_griffith
1st hosue
BML sextile moon exact
trine venus exact
opposite jupiter 2 orbs
sextile pallas exact
trine Union exact
trine MC 1orb

robert_browning----elizabeth_barrett_browning
1st house
BML opp vertex 2 orbs
conjunct saturn exact
trine jupiter 2 orbs
conjunct neptune 4 orbs
conjunct karma 3 orbs
square union exact
qx vesta 1 orb

humphrey_bogart--lauren_bacall
2nd house
Bml square mercury 1 orb
trine saturn 1 orb
opposite uranus 2 orbs
conjunct neptune 3 orbs
opposite pallas 1 orb
opposite lust 2 orb
square union 2 orbs

johnny_cash----_june_carter
Bml square mars exact
opposite neptune 4 orbs
square eros exact
square psyche 3 orbs
opposite amor exact
sextile valentine 1 orb
square lust 2 orbs
square union 1 orb

_laurence_olivier-vivien_leigh
12th house
BML square sun 4 orbs
trine eros 2 orbs
qx psyche 2 orbs
opp valentine 1 orb
trine casanova 1 orb

gertrude_cayce-edgar_cayce
11th house
BML sextile NN 5 orb
sextile Psyche 1 orb
qx Karma exact

katharine_hepburn---spencer_tracy
8th house
BML sextile moon 2 orbs
square venus exact
sextile NN 5 orbs
qx Eros 2 orbs
qx Amor 1 orb

pierre_curie--marie_curie
12th house
BML sq Jupiter 2 orbs
qx uranus exact
trine kama 1 orb
opposite Karma 4 orbs

frida_kahlo- diego_rivera
9th house
BML trine jupiter 1 orb
bml square vesta exact
trine psyche 1 orb
sq karma exact
sq NN exact

paul_mccartney-linda_mccartney
5th house
BML conjunct mars 4 orbs
sextile pluto 2 orbs
sextile vertex exact
opposite Eros 2 orbs
trine union exact

richard burton-elizabeth_taylor
5th house
BML trine Moon 1 orb

william_randolph_hearst-marion_davies
3rd house
BML square Sun 3 orbs
sq uranus exact
trine pallas 1 orb
trine Psyche 2 orb
opp lust exact
sq asc 1 orb
opp mc 2 orbs

sri_aurobindo- mira_richard
11TH house
BML conjunct Sun 4 orbs
conjunct Pluto exact
trine pallas 3 orbs
conjunct Amor 1 orb
trine valentine 1 orb
opposite Karma 4 orbs
sextile MC

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Aspect Themes that stand out the most:
BML-Eros:6/15
BML-Psyche:5/15
BML-Karma:5/15
BML-Pallas:5/15
BML-Neptune:4/15

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The original reason I brought up BML in synastry:
http://erosastrology.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=syn&action=display&thread=329

“…We all have Lilith’s plutonic quality in us, the unconscious energy that brings up harsh boundaries between life and death, ecstasy and suffering, passion and revulsion, enslavement and freedom. How do we honor Lilith in our lives? Do we exile her from consciousness or build her a sanctuary for potent, creative expression? When she contacts Eros in another, the answer to that question is found in the heart of a powerfully erotic relationship.

Eros wants intense encounters that lead to lasting transformation. His touch is all at once sexual, creative and spiritual. Lilith brings up deep and primal sexual energy sometimes accompanied by feelings of anger and rage. She is deeply alluring and irresistible. Eros is looking for his equal to explore the realm of creative intimacy. Lilith desires sacred sex above all things.

In the rare instance where these two do meet, the results are truly awe inspiring, changing our lives in intense and lasting ways. How we respond to this synastry contact has a lot to do with our own relationship to power and sexuality. It "wakes up” those areas inside of us and causes us to express them sexually, free from the restrictions of reality.

Since both Eros and Lilith are isolated energies buried deep in the unconcious, the erotic transformation which takes place upon their meeting is deep with raw and intuitive spiritual potency. Their capacity for intimacy and shared desire to melt into the fires of transformation is nothing short of total risk, which each are compelled to take- no questions asked. As a result, this aspect can feel like opening a can of worms that literally fly, not crawl, out of the unconscious.

There is no superficial way to get to know Lilith through the experience of the erotic. There is always a risk with Eros when he falls on a personal planet of point, and meeting Lilith is the greatest of them. Relationships that provoke her and Eros, although excruciatingly potent at times, serve as a meeting place for both divine figures. Once awakened, no matter how untamed the experience becomes, we are given a rare opportunity to integrate, redeem and restore Eros and Lilith to a place of honor through shared, transcendental sexual activity. At the end of the day, that is all this god and goddess really ask for."

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Draconic results:
Draconic
Woodward-Newman
BML square sun 4 orbs
Trine moon 2 orbs
Trine mercury 3 orbs
Trine jupiter 2 orbs
Opposite saturn 2 orbs
Sextile pluto 1 orb
Qx juno 1orb
Sextile psyche/valentine 3 orbs
Trine Asc 2 orbs
Opp union 4 orbs
Opp mc 2 orbs

BML conjunct Psyche 3 orbs
Trine lust 3 orbs

Wilson-Hanks
BML opposite Moon 4 orbs
Conjunct chiron 4 orbs
Sq valentine 1 orb

BML sextile Mars exact
Conjunct Juno exact

Banderas-Griffith
BML conjunct Mercury 4 orbs
Square saturn 2 orbs
Trine pallas 1 orb
Conjunct eros 5 orbs too wide
BML Opp BML 1 orb
Trine amor exact
Qx karma exact

BML sq moon 1orb
Conjunct saturn 3 orb
Sextile neptune 2 orb
Trine pluto 3 orbs
Conjunct pallas 3 orbs
Conjunct vesta 4 orbs
Sq lust 1 orb

Browning-Browning
BML trine Eros exact
Qx lust exact

BML sextile vertex 2 orbs
Square pallas exact
Qx amor 2 orbs
Qx karma exact

Bogart-Bacall
BML Sq venus 1 orb
Sextile pallas 1 orb
Qx Eros exact
Opp lust 1 orb
Trine Amor 1 orb
Square valentine exact
Qx Union 1 orb

BML trine Pluto 1 orb
Sextile chiron/pallas exact
Conjunct vertex 2 orb
Sq juno 2 orbs
Opp vesta 1 orb
Opp lust 3 orbs
Opp valentine 4 orbs

Cash-Carter
BML conjunct Mercury 2 orbs
Conjunct vesta 4 orbs
Sextile Eros 4 orbs too wide
Sextile lust 2 orbs
Qx cupido exact
Square union 4 orbs

BML trine sun 2 orb
Conjunct moon 1 orb
Trine mercury 2 orbs
Sextile neptune 2 orbs
Trine juno 3 orbs
Sextile psyche 3 orbs

Oliver- Leigh
BML Square mercury 2 orbs
Trine pluto 1 orb
Sq pallas/psyche 2 orbs
Qx karma 2 orbs
Sextile valentine 4 orbs

BML Sextile sun exact
Sextile mercury 2 orbs
Sq venus exact
Sextile lust exact
Sextile valentine 1 orb
Sextile cupido exact


Cayce-Cayce
BML Sq mercury 1 orb
Trine saturn 1orb
Opp BML 4 orbs
QX pallas 2 orbs
Conjunct vesta 4 orbs

BML trine sun 4 orbs too wide
Qx jupiter exact
Sq neptune 1 orb
Trine lust 3 orbs
QX union 1 orb

Hepburn-Tracy
BML sextile pallas 1 orb
Opp vesta 1 orb
Opp valentine exact
Conjunct Union exact
Sextile asc exact
Conjunct mc 4 orbs

Bml trine psyche 2 orb
Qx lust 1 orb

Curie-Curie
BML Sq sun/pluto 3 orbs
Qx Bml 2 orbs
Sextile eros 2 orbs
Sextile psyche 1 orb
Sq mc exact

BML Trine moon 2 orb
Sextile mercury exact
Conjunct jupiter 4 orbs
Sq neptune 2 orbs
Trine pallas/juno 3orbs
Sq vesta 3 orbs
Trine lust 1 orb
Opp eros 5 orbs too wide but double whammy
Conjunct karma
Qx cupido exact

Kahlo-Rivera
BML trine sun exact
Sq moon 2 orbs
Trine venus exact
Qx mars/juno exact

BML opp mercury 1 orb
Trine lust 2 orbs
Trine valentine 1 orb
Sextile union 1 orb


McCarthy-McCarthy
BML Trine venus 2 orbs
Qx pallas 1 orb
Sq juno 1 orb
Sextile amor 1 orb
Conjunct valentine 2 orbs
Sextile cupido exact
Trine asc exact

Bml square mars 3 orbs
Sq pluto 1 orb
Opp juno 1 orb
Trine psyche 2 orbs
Qx cupido 1 orbs
Sq karma 1 orb

Burton-Taylor
BML QX psyche 2 orbs
Sextile karma exact

BML conjunct neptune exact
BML trine Chiron exact
Sextile pallas 2 orbs
Trine juno exact
Trine amor 1orb

Hearst-Davies
Bml trine Moon 4 orbs
Sq neptune 2 orbs
Sq juno 2 orbs
Qx Eros 1 orb
Sq lust exact
Trine amor exact
Sq asc 3 orbs

Bml trine jupiter 3 orbs
Trine vertex 1 orb
Sq lust exact
Sq asc exact


Sir-Mira
BML Sextile mercury exact
Conjunct vesta 3 orbs
Qx cupido 2 orbs

BML Opp moon 4 orbs
Sextile venus 1 orb
Qx vertex 1 orb
Trine juno 1orb
Opp valentine exact
Sextile union exact

BML-SUN:6/15
BML-Moon: 8/15
BML-Mercury:8/15
BML-Venus:5/15
BML-Mars:3/15
BML-Saturn:3/15
BML-Pluto:6/15
BML-JUNO:10/15
BML:EROS:6/15 really 5/15 but two were in a double whammy
BML-Psyche:6/15 really 5/15 one sextile was too wide for my liking
BML-Karma:5/15
BML-Union:7/15
BML-Valentine:8/15
BML-Neptune:4/15
BML-Amor:6/15
BML-Lust: 10/15
BML-Vesta: 7/15
BML-Pallas:8/15
BML-Cupido:5/15
BML-ASC:4/15
BML-MC:3/15
BML-Chiron:3/15
BML-BML:3/15

Conclusion: Juno and Lust connected with BML is the most prominent pattern with 10 of the 15 couples with this aspect the most often
Second prominent aspect Moon, Mercury, Valentine, and Pallas. With 8 out of 15
Third: Union and Vesta 7 out of 15
Fourth: Sun, pluto, amor, eros, and psyche. 6 of 15
Fifth: venus, karma, and cupido 5 of 15
Sixth: Neptune and Asc


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posted November 08, 2012 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have written some things on BML, and Lotiswhite had some thread on her, too. Gotta search.

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posted November 09, 2012 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrofan123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for this will look it up.
read about 3 liliths before but didn't really know what they do in synastry

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posted November 09, 2012 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/000731.html

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/215421.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/001146.html

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posted November 09, 2012 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for those links

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posted November 09, 2012 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by astrofan123:
thanks for this will look it up.
read about 3 liliths before but didn't really know what they do in synastry


Oh I meant the Black Moon lilith from the additional objects section. But for me personally all of the lilith's hit major aspects of my natal chart.

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posted November 09, 2012 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Lilith from the additional objects box is the mean position of the Black Moon. If you want to look at true BML, type in h13.

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posted November 09, 2012 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know about h13, h58, and 1181 I am taking my time to examine each one in synastry and composite charts to see a consistent theme arises, which there seems to be so far with BML in both Tropical synastry, composite, and Draconic Synastry and composite charts.

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posted November 09, 2012 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
h58 is the Waldemath Moon?

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posted November 09, 2012 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
h58 is the Waldemath Moon?

Yup h58 Dark Moon Lilith/ Waldemath Black Moon.

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posted November 09, 2012 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After using tropical synastry with the 15 couples and the added True Osc lilith h13 and the Asteroid Lilith 1181:

Asteroid Lilith aspects from greatest to least with orb values of 4 at most:
1)Karma: 8/15
2)Cupido, vertex, North Node, and Pallas : 7/15
3)Mars, Neptune,Psyche, and Valentine: 6/15
4)Eros, Venus, Mercury,Saturn, Pluto, Union, Amor, Lust, and Vesta: 5/15
5)Juno, MC, ASC,Chiron,and BML: 4/15

The Sun aspects to Asteroid lilith were only 3 of 15 couples
The Moon aspects were only 1 of 15 couples.

True Osc Lilith aspects from greatest to least were:
1) Eros : 9 of the 15 couples
2)Karma and Valentine were both :8 of the 15 couples
3) Moon, Saturn, Psyche, Amor, and North Node. : 6 of the 15 couples
4)Mercury, Pallas, Lust, Cupido, and Chiron. 5 of the 15 couples
5) Sun, Venus, Juno, Neptune, and ASC. 4 of the 15 couples.
6) Mars,Pluto, Vesta and Bml. 3 of the 15 couples.
7) Union and MC with the least 2 of the 15 couples.

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posted November 09, 2012 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrofan123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ail221:
I know about h13, h58, and 1181 I am taking my time to examine each one in synastry and composite charts to see a consistent theme arises, which there seems to be so far with BML in both Tropical synastry, composite, and Draconic Synastry and composite charts.

there is already Lilith on astro.com selection. which lilith would that be? because I entered all 3 codes above and none of them is that Lilith. so there are 4 lilith then?

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posted November 09, 2012 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by astrofan123:
there is already Lilith on astro.com selection. which lilith would that be? because I entered all 3 codes above and none of them is that Lilith. so there are 4 lilith then?


oh the one already in the additional objects but there a few liliths lol.

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posted November 09, 2012 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrofan123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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oh the one already in the additional objects but there a few liliths lol.

lol ok maybe I just use all 4 then see which one fits description

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posted November 09, 2012 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ail221:
[b] oh the one already in the additional objects but there a few liliths lol.


lol ok maybe I just use all 4 then see which one fits description[/B][/QUOTE]

I actually use all of them natally all of them make some contacts to my personal points:
-BML in Scorpio(7h) opposite my Eros(12h), Psyche(1h) and Asc in Taurus exact.
-opposite my moon in gemini(2h) 3orbs
-trine my sun 3 orbs
-sextile Nymphe in Libra in 5th (>3)
-Quincunx Venus exact

1181 Asteroid lilith in Aquarius (9h):
-conjunct my MC exact and NN 1 orb
-trine my moon (>3)
-Quincunx Pallas exact

h21 True Lilith in Scorpio (6h):
-trine Sun exact and Jupiter 1 orb
-opposite BML, Eros, Psyche and asc 3 orbs

H58 Waldermath Dark Moon in Taurus (12h)
-conjunct my mars in taurus
-opposite my Juno and valentine (>2)

H13- Osc Lilith in Sagittarius (7h)
but conjuncts the ruler of my 8th house

I think this probably adds to why I am drawn to plutonians too.


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posted November 10, 2012 01:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrofan123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BML in Pisces H5
1181 Asteroid lilith in Virgo, opposite BML
h21 True Lilith in Pisces H5
H58 Waldemath in Cancer H9
H13- Osc Lilith in Pisces H5

I only use 2 deg orb. natal chart.
is it normal to find so many in H5 lol
does it mean anything when the asteroid 1181 opposite BML? both are lilith

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posted November 10, 2012 06:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, call me boring, but I am only using the True Black Moon (h13), as I am also use the True Node instead of the mean one.
However I see that the mean Black Moon often gives interesting results as well.
But I just can`t bring myself to use it really extensely, as I don´t know how to reason and justify to myself, why I would use an averaged position, instead of the true one?

I don´t use the Waldemath Moon, as I am not using any hypothetical objects.

The Black Moon, even though it s listed under hypothetical objects, is not hypothetical at all but simply a calculated point like the nodal axis.
In fact interestingly it also bases its calculation on Sun, Earth, Moon, just like the nodal axis does (different calculation though), and in this instance it also contains the same symbols as the nodal chart / Draconic chart does.

The calculations are different, but they are all based on the interplay of Sun, Earth, Moon, and this is a source of endless fascination to me.

For interpretations though, I always feel like the True Black Moon is a bit like a combined Moon-Pluto-symbolism (the dark/uncivilised side of the moon).

Asteroid Lilith might have a bit of a different interpretation, as as an asteroid it does not reflect any interplay between Sun, Earth and Moon like the Black Moon does.

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posted November 10, 2012 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure its arguable to say it is a hypothetical point so where is it's validity, but the same can be said about the myths surrounding the use of asteroids and interpretation of them. I think the reason their are so many lilith points is because she can't be defined to one point just like the phases of the moon she had many.In some regards main stream society has pretty much ignored "Lilith's" existence and if she is mentioned it's usually painted as the female first vampire, the baby killer, the uncontrollable first wife of adam, the maleficent(every single wicked queen in a fairy tale) etc.

One of the reasons certain asteroids seem to end up connected with certain liliths is because they each represent different things connected to her.
The asteroid lilith seems to represents the more rational feminist, gender equalizer which is why the Asteroid lilith appears more consistent with the asteroid Karma, pallas, NN and the vertex.

So far BML has been is more constant with Eros because she personifies every aspect of "Lilith" the good, the bad, the succubus, the magical, the seeker of truth, the dark divine feminine and the magnetic. The mean aspect of BML goes beyond it's calculation because it attempting to encompass every side of Lilith just define her to one point.

BML and True lilith yield similar synastry results but there are differences:
BML is more consistent with destiny points, marriage,love asteroids specifically Juno, Eros, Psyche, Mercury, Union and NN.

One of the many reasons I theorize there is a importance of BML in Tropical/Draconic synastry and composite; even in draconic synastry and composite Eros, Psyche and Union remain in connection . On another Note I suspect the Asteroid Lilith might be more consistent in helio-centric charts.

True Lilith: Is consistent with Eros, Karma and Valentine.

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posted November 10, 2012 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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BML in Pisces H5
1181 Asteroid lilith in Virgo, opposite BML
h21 True Lilith in Pisces H5
H58 Waldemath in Cancer H9
H13- Osc Lilith in Pisces H5

I only use 2 deg orb. natal chart.
is it normal to find so many in H5 lol
does it mean anything when the asteroid 1181 opposite BML? both are lilith


This goes along with my idea that the lilith each represent a different phases of lilith, similar to the triple goddess hecate.
Asteroid Lilith is more of the feminine equalizer, the rebel, the feminist, the extreme liberal. BML is the median of lilith so she's more primative, magnetic, magical, nurturing in a sense, it could be a issue of opposing values.

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posted November 10, 2012 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrofan123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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This goes along with my idea that the lilith each represent a different phases of lilith, similar to the triple goddess hecate.
Asteroid Lilith is more of the feminine equalizer, the rebel, the feminist, the extreme liberal. BML is the median of lilith so she's more primative, magnetic, magical, nurturing in a sense, it could be a issue of opposing values.

Ooohhh OK I have to do more reading then. Most of the time all the issues you mentioned are said to belong to Lilith, but very few articles are specific about which issue is which Lilith. yes what you said makes sense in my case
All221 Thank you so much ! sorry ail221 I mean

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