posted December 30, 2012 07:23 PM            

I have Lucifer rx at 6* Gemini opposite my Sun at 6* Sagittarius.

posted December 30, 2012 08:19 PM            

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posted January 01, 2013 02:07 PM            

Lucifer is a Latin word meaning "light-bearer" (from lux, lucis, "light", and ferre, "to bear, bring"), a Roman astrological term for the "Morning Star", the planet Venus. The word Lucifer was the direct translation of the Septuagint Greek heosphoros, ("dawn-bearer"); (cf. Greek phosphoros, "light-bearer") and the Hebrew Helel, ("Bright one") used by Jerome in the Vulgate, having mythologically the same meaning as Prometheus who brought fire to humanity.

posted January 01, 2013 10:11 PM            

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Originally posted by anno_lucis:
..and then, there is the other, 'occultist' interpretation:

Lucifer is a Latin word meaning "light-bearer" (from lux, lucis, "light", and ferre, "to bear, bring"), a Roman astrological term for the "Morning Star", the planet Venus. The word Lucifer was the direct translation of the Septuagint Greek heosphoros, ("dawn-bearer"); (cf. Greek phosphoros, "light-bearer") and the Hebrew Helel, ("Bright one") used by Jerome in the Vulgate, having mythologically the same meaning as Prometheus who brought fire to humanity.

just to be clear, i'm not a wannabe mason, or devil worshipper, or anything like that. lol. i think it's important to keep an open mind - there's a positive side to every aspect imo.

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Yes, this was one of the discussions I found - whether Lucifer was "The Adversary" or "The Light-Bearer" (and frequently whether it had any relation to Venus.)

And I really like the parallels of Lucifer to Prometheus! It's very interesting to see the differences and similarities between the stories of each of them.

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yes, Lucifer is pride. I would think that you would struggle with wanting to do things your way and not God's. Is that something you struggle with?

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Actually, yeah! That's exactly me. I place a very high value on free will, and - though I am not necessarily an atheist - I actually prefer the idea that there might not be a God. I don't like the idea of divine intervention or interference. I think it devalues the human experience.

It's why I've always been a bit uncomfortable with traditional organized religions.

posted April 18, 2018 08:31 PM            

Hypatia added some great info. based on the Lucifer founding chart and her own experiences with people with Lucifer conj. angles. They are about the truth and light.

posted April 19, 2018 12:32 AM            

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Originally posted by arcturus90:
I knew a young boy (he was 7 years old) and the child was very proud with me, not wanting to talk with me (depends.. but generally), not answering to all of my questions (sometimes yes), to do his homework (I was their babysitter, to him and his sister), to say hello, goodbye, etc.. Sometimes he seemed open, though.
When I got what Lucifer means, the other day, according to what I read about the mythology of lucifer, a few years ago, I was thinking that he must have a strong lucifer in his chart, I checked this and noticed that his lucifer is conjunct my Sun (5° orb in our natal chart, but 0° orb in his prenatal new moon chart and my natal chart). So he acted like lucifer with me.
My sister's Sun is in good aspect with my lucifer and sometimes I want to act this way with her but I don't really, well it depends.

Transiting lucifer is conjunct my Sun now, but is moving forward. I don't really like this asteroid but maybe it has some good sides I don't know yet.. My lucifer (0° Gemini) is well aspected to my Venus

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A child not wanting to talk with you is not weird, kids can be like that. If anything the synastry would better explain this or him just been a kid, or maybe he did not trust you. Or maybe he is not trusting in general bc of his personality indicated by other natal factors in his chart or hx of trauma. He could be socially anxious too.

Kids and teenagers will often say "I don't know" when you ask them something and is bc they don't know. It depends on were they are at developmentally socially and with their deductive reasoning skills.

posted April 19, 2018 10:32 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
A child not wanting to talk with you is not weird, kids can be like that. If anything the synastry would better explain this or him just been a kid, or maybe he did not trust you. Or maybe he is not trusting in general bc of his personality indicated by other natal factors in his chart or hx of trauma. He could be socially anxious too.

Kids and teenagers will often say "I don't know" when you ask them something and is bc they don't know. It depends on were they are at developmentally socially and with their deductive reasoning skills.

A 7 year old kid is not refusing to talk with you bc of pride.

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Well that seemed pride, I was there. And he is an indigo child, also. And I didn't say it's weird and I'm not judging. Also, he didn't have one of the main lines on his hands (heart lines). That's one of the reasons also..
I've thought about lucifer asteroid and it seemed something related to this asteroid, and apparently I'm right because he didn't want to talk, was rejecting me and his babysitters in general, was not nice. No he didn't say "I don't know", he just ignored, that was obvious that he was "proud" (don't know the term exact in english to translate something to french, there is no word for this).
He didn't trust me, I know, and that's because of lucifer asteroid who doesn't want to love and who wants to stay free..

So yes, you're right, that's for other reasons, but because of this asteroid too...
And I want to act the same way with my sister, to stay free from her, and her Sun in trine my asteroid.

posted April 19, 2018 11:09 AM            

He doesn't have to like you.

My partner has it exact on the IC and his mom says he was a great kid, well behaved, polite. He still is. He has never ignored me once in the 11 years I have been with him. When I have tried to leave him in the past, he fights for me like crazy, pride has never been an issue with him or us. He never does that shutting down thing were he doesn't talk to me, ever, he has never ignored me.

posted April 19, 2018 11:33 AM            

If you look at the discovery chart of Lucifer it has Dejanira opposite Nessus.

posted April 19, 2018 11:40 AM            

I can see if violence lines up with Lucifer. If Lucifer is Satan, like portrayed in scripture, then Lucifer might resonate with murderers:

posted April 19, 2018 11:42 AM            

He date of birth : I think it's on 19 or 20 of June, 2003.

Yes it could come from a trauma, AND lucifer asteroid. Many different asteroids, factors..

posted April 19, 2018 11:52 AM            

So you are saying he threatened you with a knife bc his lucifer conjuncts your Sun and that he doesn't have lucifer prominent on his chart?

Ok I am just going to leave it like that, agree to to disagree.

posted April 19, 2018 12:01 PM            

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Originally posted by arcturus90:

And I didn't understand the influence of Nessus yet

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He has Nessus in Capricorn at 23d...Try to find out his birth date, as you are unsure on the date.

Does that aspect anything in you chart by any chance?

posted April 19, 2018 12:03 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
It doesn't make sense that he wants to be free himself of you bc his lucifer conjuncts your sun...so his lucifer doesn't even conjunct his own SUN? It just conjuncts YOUR sun.

So you are saying he threatened you with a knife bc his lucifer conjuncts your Sun and that he doesn't have lucifer prominent on his chart?

Ok I am just going to leave it like that, agree to to disagree.

I am pretty confident he has a history of trauma and maybe even involving a past baby sitter since he has had so many of them. As a therapist that is what it feels like the more likely scenario.

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posted April 19, 2018 12:33 PM            

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Originally posted by arcturus90:
I don't know, maybe it conjuncts his Moon also. But yes, if his lucifer conjunct my Sun, my presence stimulate this asteroid.

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You need the correct *birthdate and *birthtime to know if it aspects his moon but lets assume it does.

Like I said before Lucifer has Dejanira opposite Nessus (classic abuse pair) in his discovery chart, one way lucifer can manifest is by that kid having a history of abuse (if he has lucifer conjunct moon and square pluto that would fit well with a history of childhood sexual abuse) and since Dejanira conjuncts Truth and star Antares in Lucifer's discovery chart the truth would eventually come out and as a victim he will fight back bc ANTARES is really tough so him pulling a knife on you may be how he is fighting back and protecting himself, he will not let it happen again.

When you are 7 you don't discriminate in how you process things so if a baby sitter or adult sexually abused him he might react by not trusting all adults or all baby sitters (generalizing) which is understandable.

posted April 19, 2018 12:48 PM            

He has Jupiter conjunct Lucifer sextile Mars which rules his 9th house forming a YOD with Neptune at the apex.

He was sexually abused as a child at school grounds in the main office by the principle's assistant.

posted April 19, 2018 01:10 PM            

No I just said that yes maybe he had trauma, but I don't know if he had..

posted April 19, 2018 01:26 PM            

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Originally posted by arcturus90:
My Dejanira is conjunct my Venus exactly in my chart. With no bad major aspects. My Dejanira is quincunx his Sun, I think.. His Nessus is conjunct my Mars and Saturn.

No I just said that yes maybe he had trauma, but I don't know if he had..

When I did his chart I saw that his Moon was conjunct my Sun, but maybe the hour of birth is wrong, now I'm not sure if he was born in the morning or afternoon.

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"His Nessus is conjunct my Mars and Saturn."

^Bingo!!!!!! if anything this would explain his behavior more (e.g knife), but I do feel there is a hx of trauma too.

This would explain it better bc it involves your Mars and Mars is aggression and him pulling out a knife is an act of aggression, Nessus is primal and aggressive too. He must see you as threatening with his Nessus conjunct your Mars and Saturn. He may see you as too authoritarian, his nessus energy wants to be free and your saturn there wants to keep it in check and your mars there makes him feel you are a threat, he sees you as aggressive as well.

Thanks for responding.

"When I did his chart I saw that his Moon was conjunct my Sun, but maybe the hour of birth is wrong, now I'm not sure if he was born in the morning or afternoon."

You don't have his birthtime so the hour of birth is wrong.

The degree of the moon changes from hour to hour so an exact birth time is important in connection to the moon or the rising sign.

posted April 19, 2018 02:19 PM            

Knife is an aggressive act, Nessus is the asteroid associated with abuse but usually when connected to Dejanira. However, Nessus conjunct Mars does describe very well that interaction you had with him.

I am really not trying to be annoying, I truly care about the truth. Thank you for been honest bc his Nessus on your Mars and Saturn explains perfectly that dynamic you are having with him.

Other astrologers that see Lucifer as the light bringer, these are just a few out of many more:

This one reference seems to a spawned a thousand interpretations, misinterpretations and cloaked histories than shroud Lucifer himself in as much mystery as his name invokes. Suffice is to say however, in modern times, his name has become synonymous with the Christian concept of ‘The Devil’.

Chiefly, it was the ancient Jewish Book of Enoch that took the story of fallen angels and ran with it. Within it, you will find much of the history of angels as we know now. However the book of Enoch itself is hotly disputed in Jewish circles and none of the histories, Jewish, Greek or otherwise, readily offer an explanation for Lucifer’s appearance or connection to ‘Satan’.

What we do know is that Lucifer meant shining one, light bringer, light bearer or morning star. The name Lucifer has fallen out of favour in modern Bibles and now only shows up in Isaiah’s chapter as ‘the morning star, son of the dawn’.

The morning star however is a reference to Venus. Perhaps the concept of the ‘fall’ links to how Venus shifts from being a morning to evening star. She ‘falls’ from light into darkness, reflecting the story of Innana’s journey into the underworld. It’s interesting that in a time when it was mostly men who were notable figures in science, Lucifer was discovered by a woman.
http://www.leahwhitehorse.com/2013/02/03/asteroid-lucifer/

The word Lucifer (which is often confused with Satan) means light-bringer and refers to Venus in her morning star phase.
http://www.astrodynamics.net/tag/lucifer/

Lucifer: Satan, or Venus?
Lucifer means lightbringer, from the Latin lux “light” and ferre “to bear or bring.” The word Lucifer is found in only one place in the Bible — Isaiah 14:12 — but only in the King James and related versions: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! . . .” In other translations we find: “O shining star of the dawn!” (Moffatt) or “O morning-star, son of the dawn!” (Hebrew Bible). The King James Version is based on the Vulgate, the Latin translation of Jerome. Jerome translated the Hebrew helel (bright or brilliant one) as “lucifer,” which was a reasonable Latin equivalent. And yet it is this lucifer, the bright one or lightbearer, that came to be understood by so many as the name for Satan, Lord of Darkness.

Lucifer is mentioned only in the Old Testament, and Satan doesn’t come into the picture until the New Testament. Jesus is also known as the “Morning Star” in the New Testament, which confuses the issue even more.
But before either the Old or New Testament, Venus was known as the “Morning Star.”

Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/astrologicalmusings/2009/07 /lucifer-satan-or-venus.html#XCSzeord1gHBgsTp.99