posted June 16, 2013 05:01 PM            

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Originally posted by jellyfishtry:
Edward Snowden...Go to Russia! without prompt Russia had said it would seriously consider any asylum request by Edward Snowden.

The result MP's left and right are echoing what a great idea that would be...whatever the 'real' Russian motives, if he manages it looks like they would keep him safe, which is what everyone wants.

of course all of this is natal,
At an orb of less than 2%
His:
[b]Russia Trines Panacea (ta/vi)

Does it mean Russia has the 'solution/cure' for his 'predicament'?

Russia Squares Orcus (ta/le)

Does it mean Russia sees things from the same point of view that he does?

On the other hand the only thing in a tight orbit to the asteroid Hong Kong, at an orb of less than 3%
is
Hong Kong square a RX Hebe

(some form of waiting because others aren't as mentally 'quick' as him?)

also less than 3&

Asteroid China RX, conjuncts Neptune, Sextile Ceres, and sextiles Industria...

Back to the first one, Russia could prove to be a good choice for him.

(well if it was good enough for Gerard Depardieu....)[/B]

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Good work!

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posted June 16, 2013 05:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
List of Russian cities placed in his chart...i havent compared these yet.
2979 Murmansk pisces@4°33
3213 Smolensk pisces@14°18
3406 Omsk virgo@6°33'
10711 Pskov cancer@5°47
3799 Novgorod scorp@11°15
1724 Vladimir aries@0°14
4271 Novosibirsk aries@25°45

A possibility for safety...
26922 Draco Samara is gem@27.50
Mars (24° Gem 50'3")
North Node (25° Gem 6'22")
Armor (25° Gem 16'10")
Destinn (26° Gem 21'14")
Angel (26° Gem 47'33")

But tropical Samara virgo@22°56??

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You wonder if any of those Russian cites could be conj his ASC OR his NN?

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posted June 16, 2013 05:03 PM            

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posted June 19, 2013 09:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
A possibility for safety...
26922 Draco Samara is gem@27.50
Mars (24° Gem 50'3")
North Node (25° Gem 6'22")
Armor (25° Gem 16'10")
Destinn (26° Gem 21'14")
Angel (26° Gem 47'33")

But tropical Samara virgo@22°56??

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Gabby, may I ask if there was anything particular that drew you to post about Samara with the rest? I'm mostly asking because I checked mine a week ago on Tuesday when it caught the eye on the asteroid list, and then on Monday I saw you'd posted about it, and a day later on Tuesday evening/night I see news about there having been five explosions in a munitions storage facility near Samara. 13 million shells.

http://rt.com/news/ammunition-depot-blasts-russia-888/
http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-samara-explosions/25021278.html

Shows how different spellings can be, too, our news listing the place as Tsapajevsk, not Chapaevsk. I associated the name with Lada Samara cars, my grandmother having had one back in the day, but the news was the third time Samara popped up in a week for me. I haven't seen the Ring movies nor much care to, so no idea about cursed video tape characters at my end.

8970 Islandica checked yet? Iceland was the first thing mentioned, after all. I doubt 939 Isberga has any bearing here though (unlike in Titanic-like charts perhaps). Regrettably I now see that I have an "iceberg" under 30' conj my Ascendant though.

posted June 19, 2013 11:19 PM            

I'll have to take a look at this tomorrow when I have more time. I haven't forgotten about this thread, just been busy trying to get myself back on track.

posted June 19, 2013 11:49 PM            

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Originally posted by BlackSeraph:
Wow, I seem to have missed a lot...

I'll have to take a look at this tomorrow when I have more time. I haven't forgotten about this thread, just been busy trying to get myself back on track.

Not sure if I should blame that on the Mercury entering the Retrograde Shadow Zone thing or not...

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lol it's like your thread has taken a life of its own

can't wait to read more about this 2moro!

posted June 20, 2013 11:32 PM            

1724 Vladimir (0° Ari 21'7")
- Conjunct
-- Dr. 774 Armor (0° Ari 9'48")
-- Dr. 6583 Destinn (1° Ari 14'52")
-- Dr. 11911 Angel (1° Ari 41'11")
-- Dr. 19730 Machiavelli (29° Pis 0'7")
-- 151 Abundantia (29° Pis 5'38")
-- Dr. Mars (29° Pis 43'41")
- Square
-- Sun (29° Gem 42'58")
-- 1866 Sisyphus (1° Can 3'24")
-- 8237 Constable (29° Sag 17'51" Rx)
-- 1125 China (0° Cap 17'14" Rx)
-- Dr. 2174 Asmodeus (0° Cap 28'41")
-- Dr. 203 Pompeja (1° Cap 23'52")

This alone tells me this could be a deal with a devil...

- Trine
-- 6710 Apostel (29° Can 15'11")
-- Dr. 11144 Radiocommunicata (1° Leo 35'14")
-- Dr. Pluto (1° Leo 40'27" Rx)
- Sextile
-- Dr. 3696 Herald (29° Tau 14'1")
-- Chiron (0° Gem 0'20")
-- 157 Dejanira (0° Gem 10'43")
-- 42 Isis (0° Gem 10'57")
-- 140 Siwa (0° Gem 31'9")
-- 3562 Ignatius (1° Gem 33'49")
-- 5283 Pyrrhus (0° Aqu 6'1" Rx)
-- Dr. 4271 Novosibirsk (0° Aqu 48'30")

...although the devil's in the details. Perhaps Russia doesn't go so well but a kindred spirit gets him out of harm's way?

I did feel compelled to look up something closest to Moscow though... I'm even leaving in the Semisquares and Sesquiquadrates for this one as this seems to be pertinent.

6355 Univermoscow (12° Leo 39'24")
- Conjunct
-- 114 Kassandra (13° Leo 2'14")
- Opposite
-- B.M. Lilith (10° Aqu 35'48")
-- Dr. 4257 Ubasti (12° Aqu 34'16")
-- Dr. 19521 Chaos (12° Aqu 36'3")
-- Dr. 3989 Odin (13° Aqu 19'39")
- Square
-- 8813 Leviathan (11° Tau 17'25")
-- Dr. 1924 Horus (12° Tau 56'48")
-- 3799 Novgorod (11° Sco 14'43" Rx)
-- 2046 Leningrad (12° Sco 31'2" Rx)
-- 3153 Lincoln (12° Sco 43'32" Rx)
- Semisquare
-- 6583 Destinn (26° Gem 21'14")
-- 11911 Angel (26° Gem 47'33")
-- 1320 Impala (27° Gem 46'34")
-- 3061 Cook (27° Gem 50'40")
-- Dr. 1021 Flammario (28° Gem 15'22")
-- Dr. 7824 Lynch (28° Gem 36'14")
-- 8690 Swindle (27° Vir 5'4")
- Sesquiquadrate
-- Dr. 3297 Hong Kong (26° Sag 11'36")
-- Neptune (27° Sag 48'18" Rx)
-- 203 Pompeja (26° Pis 30'14")
-- Dr. 19730 Machiavelli (29° Pis 0'7")
-- 151 Abundantia (29° Pis 5'38")
- Trine
-- 5143 Heracles (13° Ari 22'3")
-- 708 Raphaela (13° Ari 53'15")
-- Juno (14° Ari 2'21")
- Sextile
-- Dr. 3406 Omsk (11° Gem 37'32")
-- Dr. 299 Thora (12° Gem 18'1")
-- 11844 Ostwald (13° Gem 3'57")
-- 1120 Cannonia (11° Lib 31'11")

This feels fated somehow... or perhaps part of a larger psi-op or psionics program operation? I wouldn't be surprised if one side or the other is using Remote Viewing to target Snowden somehow (for whereabouts, motivations, etc.)

I'm starting to think part of this story is a distraction for something else, but what? Keep your eyes open. And besides, he seems to have dropped off the media news radar rather quickly for someone some are accusing of treason...

I'm getting a vibe this is all too convenient.

posted June 21, 2013 02:33 AM            

Edward Joseph Snowden
Tu., June 21, 1983 - Time 4:42 a.m.
Elizabeth City, NC (US), 76w13, 36n18

Serunnu site uses the
Universal Time, 8:42

Hurray and thank you to Eric Francis who has Birth Certificate in hand.

posted June 21, 2013 03:19 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
[b]BIRTH DATA

Edward Joseph Snowden
Tu., June 21, 1983 - Time 4:42 a.m.
Elizabeth City, NC (US), 76w13, 36n18

Serunnu site uses the
Universal Time, 8:42

Hurray and thank you to Eric Francis who has Birth Certificate in hand.

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THANK YOU MIRAGE29, Good work on finding it and posting here...as i mentioned elsewhere, just 'knew' he was a 'morning' baby....such he is in HK i hope he knew to make a wish for his 30th solar return on the exact time he was born this morning

now some of the interesting placements with this new time, with just short and quick 1st glance interperations"

Logos conjuncts Venus in Leo

Clearly a highly developed Christ conscious, his higher self is pushing him to do what he is doing due to really loving other people.
Logos conjuncts Kassandra Leo[b]

He could have had his reputations sullied much faster (this is the world's most powerful people he's caused a scandal to, and they are masters at brainwashing others...specially if they already know how we think because of this silly emails and phone calls we exchange lol)

but the cosmos seem to know he is really coming from a place of moral consciousness and is helping him through media.

on the other hand, in Mythology Apollo did give Kassandra the power of prophecy, and when she disagreed to be his consort he made everyone think she is crazy, so no one would believe her predictions even as they came true, and eventually she was murdered. (character assassination by the crazy people controlled media?)

Such this is a conjunct though, it may be softening this effect on him.

[b]Logos Trines Hybris

He's 'recklessly proud' of his beliefs or his rational mind 'power of thinking'?? this one is strange will have to go back to it...

Moon conjunct Quaoar
Moon conjunct Psyche

Two 'emotional mind' placements related to the emotional planet, he definetly seems to have some occult/spiritual powers himself...perhaps he wants to "heal the world" like ancient people used to do??
i can't say more about this but it's looking like a very good placement.

And still at this timing
Russia squares Orcus
Russia trines Panacea

explained before.

Islandica sextiles Pholus

i'd avoid Iceland if i was him, even though some there want to help (they even have a plane ready now) it's to easy for his 'ex-employer' to get him there....sextiling pholus looks like a dangerous aspect, as it also shows, intelligence and spying operations taking place...

I put in Suomi (Finland) to as they seem in their 'own little world', and with less attention than Iceland. They really also are their 'own people' due to a strange history with the two superpowers during the cold war....and maybe they'll use him to take revenge for how no one wants a Nokia phone anymore ^_^

Rhadamanthus conjunct Suomi (1656)
oops missed this one the first time...
*Altjira trines Suomi
Am thinking this augurs well if he can get there... don't know but i really like this one.

But then

Suomi squares Child
Not so good here...either some won't like him there and cause problems, or a childish attitude on his behalf could cause problems if he gets there...or he just won't have children if he goes there?

Suomi trins Itokawa (this is the tightest orb related to suomi)
need to search more about this

Suomi opposes Damocles

Finland opposes the 'danger above his head'? or there is a 'danger above his head' at all times if there?

Now for his "liberate the world" ethics

Pallas trines Haumea
Pallas opposite Lilith (this is the less infeluential of the 3 aspects with Pallas)
Pallas opposes Orpheus

posted June 21, 2013 06:47 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
[b]BIRTH DATA

Edward Joseph Snowden
Tu., June 21, 1983 - Time 4:42 a.m.
Elizabeth City, NC (US), 76w13, 36n18

Serunnu site uses the
Universal Time, 8:42

Hurray and thank you to Eric Francis who has Birth Certificate in hand.

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Excellent! I'll have to revise my findings a little, but now we have something to work with angle-wise! And definite Moon placement.

posted June 24, 2013 08:55 AM            

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Originally posted by jellyfishtry:
I put in Suomi (Finland) to as they seem in their 'own little world', and with less attention than Iceland. They really also are their 'own people' due to a strange history with the two superpowers during the cold war....and maybe they'll use him to take revenge for how no one wants a Nokia phone anymore ^_^

Rhadamanthus conjunct Suomi (1656)
oops missed this one the first time...
*Altjira trines Suomi
Am thinking this augurs well if he can get there... don't know but i really like this one.

But then

Suomi squares Child
Not so good here...either some won't like him there and cause problems, or a childish attitude on his behalf could cause problems if he gets there...or he just won't have children if he goes there?

Suomi opposes Damocles

Finland opposes the 'danger above his head'? or there is a 'danger above his head' at all times if there?

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Where'd you pull Finland from? I don't think we've expressed anything specific about Snowden, although the news about the spying naturally was covered, and had the local IT people making remarks about how it's not that much news instead of old news. Nothing that was confirmed until Snowden (and later now The Guardian talking about the British side of it as well), perhaps, but a likely thing going on in any case.

Swedish military (intelligence?) has a perfectly legal right to check Net traffic, for example, and anything on the Net coming from Finland passes through Sweden as far as I'm aware. Sweden = 11870 Sverige. I doubt Finns would have anything against his coming here per se, but the masses haven't stirred that much over the general news from what I've seen, and given the past I don't see Finland as a "We'll stand up for him and his rights as a country no matter what, you big old bullies, you" place. I don't know about extradition to the States in general as it must be a reasonably rare occurrence, but unless there's a really good reason to **** off the States even temporarily, it seems uncharacteristic of the country. I think there have been some child custody cases between the US and Finland as well and there a Finnish subject will likely provide reason enough to doubt US courts against Finnish ones, and so on and so forth. Brazil won't extradite people who've had kids with their citizens from what I vaguely recall, so he'd be better off even somewhere like that if lucky.

In other background: Iceland is a part of NATO from what I recall, Finland isn't. The talk of whether the country should join or not happens periodically, but with the mostly people against it it's a bad move for politicians to rally too much for it.

Thank you for the "strange history" remark, anyway. You live next to Russia or Soviet Union and see what your choices end up being. I wasn't entirely relieved for his sake when I read he'd landed in Moscow, that is.

As for Altjira, a quick google tells me "The consensus with this one is that Altjira seems to represent a blind spot in the chart, something missing or glossed over". Other sites talk about dreams, visions and helpfulness, or working at a great distance, so I'm not sure it's a practical immediate help.

Now that I'm reminded of Altjira though, I have to thank you for the reminder, since it slots in nicely for me with my Anubis-Garuda-Bonk-Seelos whatnots at 21 Aries, "THE GATE TO THE GARDEN OF ALL FULFILLED DESIRES". I also can't say too much about Damocles but I've lived my whole life with mine a bit over a degree opposite Rhadamanthus, square Bless. My Damocles also conjuncts my mother's NN and my brother's square my Nodes so it's not necessarily always a dropping sword, I imagine.

You may find out more about Damocles' action if comparing the charts of whichever country against Snowden's. Ecuador seems to be it for now but I haven't the faintest idea when they became independent. Transiting Damocles is apparently currently retrograde returning to mine though and there are some things that feel like they're going to drop on my head, so we'll see.

How about the following for Snowden? In light of his possibly having to return, or perhaps restoring a normal life?

54362 Restitutum
Discovered 2000 May 27 by M. Collins and M. White at Anza.
"The definition of the Latin term restitutum refers to something that has been replaced or restored to its former place. This minor planet was originally lost soon after discovery, then found again. This name aptly describes its discovery circumstances."

EDIT:
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Snowden,_Edward

I just checked the ASC and MC on the Astro-Database and his MC looks to be 20 Aqu 52 so he'd have had Damocles passing that sometime in the last couple of weeks and depending on how long it's retrograde for, he may have retrograde Damocles crossing over his MC again. I don't know how fast it moves but by July 15th it's around 22.27 R so not THE fastest I guess. It may have been over the MC when things started for him.

1192 Prisma may also be relevant, given the PRISM stuff. Or 8039 Grandprism and 2653 Principia if it's principle related? Or then I'm just inadvertently channelling my own things, since that Damocles opposite Rhadamanthus T-square Bless has my Prism conjunct Bless from 23 Scorpio. It's always mattered since it's Antiscia with my DC.

And some minutes later I get a call from my father telling me my mother's died in her sleep at his place some 2,5 hours before now, around 2pm. Cue sword drop and changes.

I hope you'll pardon me for straying a little more with noting that Restitutuum's currently retrograde transiting opposite my mother's Sun at 25 Can 27'. Her Damocles 23 Cap 25' R. Venus is currently transiting over her Sun, whereas my brother has Venus-Saturn opposite his Damocles and my father's Damocles is 2-3 opposite my Venus, for more patterns.

posted June 24, 2013 10:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Keela:

And some minutes later I get a call from my father telling me my mother's died in her sleep at his place some 2,5 hours before now, around 2pm. Cue sword drop and changes. [/B]

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OMG did this just happen now?
I am so sorry Keela

posted June 24, 2013 10:19 AM            

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Originally posted by jellyfishtry:
OMG did this just happen now?
I am so sorry Keela

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posted June 24, 2013 10:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
I heard about it 5-10 minutes after posting and the first edit. There's been a lot going on or changes in residence and such happening or going to happen at this end as well as hers, so it kind of figures that something else would go on or happen as well. I'm currently in another town from the rest of the family and there's little point in me walking back to my flat just yet, so if my asteroid checks or whatever online seem off, it's just that. My father and brother were meant to come pick up my things tomorrow for one move, so as said, everything happening at once. My apologies if it seems out of place or hijacking an unrelated thread, but I wanted to store things looked at somewhere as a first while still with a little bit more online access. Not sure about the rest of the week, and now there'll be more things to arrange and changed plans in any case.

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Keela i don't know what to tell you.

I am really really sorry.

you're in my thoughts and prayers

Actually please keep posting, and a lot of us are here if you want to talk.

posted June 24, 2013 11:01 AM            

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Originally posted by jellyfishtry:
Keela i don't know what to tell you.

I am really really sorry.
you're in my thoughts and prayers

Actually please keep posting, and a lot of us are here if you want to talk.

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Don't worry. It'll come and go and take time whatever the case. Thank you in any case.

For now, just adding that 1912 Anubis is 13.08 Leo in her chart, too, 6' conj her Ascendant, while transiting Anubis is 14 Sco square her ASC-Anubis, trine her Uranus and inconjunct her Moon and MC. I'm not sure where transiting Moon was around 2pm my time for now, but it was somewhere well after 10 Cap as that was Moon at midnight, and now it's around 19,5 Cap at 6pm here. My family has a lot going on between 14-18 Cancer, the usual hotspot.

posted July 01, 2013 09:38 AM            

i've been putting many country asteroids and Suomi was one of the few that aspected his chart more than once at a less than 3% orbit.
(the Russia statement was meant in a good way btw )

i tried Ecuador but nothing...

also u r right, better idea to do a 'death in the family' thread when you are feeling fine about it, and we can all put the times when the same happened and compare!