posted June 12, 2013 12:27 AM            

I'm noticing some very interesting placements in his natal. I also took the liberty of checking the draconic a little.

First Grouping (Dr. - draconic, natal otherwise)
Dr. 128 Nemesis (23° Tau 37'39")
Dr. 3652 Soros (23° Tau 57'55")
Dr. 4220 Flood (24° Tau 7'30")
Vesta (24° Tau 11'34")
99942 Apophis (24° Tau 43'53")
Dr. 12927 Pinocchio (24° Tau 46'17")
Dr. 3412 Kafka (25° Tau 33'23")
42355 Typhon (25° Tau 40'28")
*Algol (25° Tau 55'38")

Even without the draconic, Vesta/Apophis/Typhon/Algol seems ominous. Sacrifice waiting to happen?

Second grouping:
Dr. 3696 Herald (29° Tau 14'1")
*Alcyone (29° Tau 45'7")
Chiron (0° Gem 0'20")
157 Dejanira (0° Gem 10'43")
42 Isis (0° Gem 10'57")
140 Siwa (0° Gem 31'9") (not Siva, that's elsewhere)

Chiron on Alcyone/Pleiades, with Dejanira. Draconic Herald... heralding what though?

Third grouping:
1981 Midas (3° Gem 31'18")
7088 Ishtar (4° Gem 56'13")
3497 Innanen (5° Gem 3'21")
2629 Rudra (6° Gem 25'18")

Well, he was pulling down over $200,000 / year... I thought it was interesting Ishtar and Innanen were together.

Fourth Grouping:
19730 Machiavelli (24° Gem 6'29")
Mars (24° Gem 50'3")
North Node (25° Gem 6'22")
6583 Destinn (26° Gem 21'14")
11911 Angel (26° Gem 47'33")

Well he was definitely calculating for doing this, otherwise he wouldn't have made it to Hong Kong.

Fifth grouping:
*Betelgeuse (28° Gem 30'47")
Sun (29° Gem 42'58")
1866 Sisyphus (1° Can 3'24")
Dr. 8690 Swindle (1° Can 58'42")

Sun conjuncts Betelgeuse... let's see what that has for us:

"With Sun: Interest in and ability for occult and mystical subjects, acute diseases, fevers, honor and preferment ending in final ruin"

I'd wager he'll run for the rest of his life. I haven't checked transits though.

Sixth grouping: (big one)
1260 Walhalla (9° Can 57'36")
19 Fortuna (10° Can 39'50")
3811 Karma (10° Can 49'54")
37117 Narcissus (11° Can 37'2")
Dr. 2254 Requiem (11° Can 51'26")
Dr. 1582 Martir (12° Can 44'54")
Dr. 916 America (12° Can 58'1")
8752 Flammeus (13° Can 16'0")
Dr. 4227 Kaali (13° Can 46'3")
*Sirius (13° Can 50'31")
5325 Silver (14° Can 29'37")
Dr. 149 Medusa (15° Can 27'2")
6630 Skepticus (15° Can 47'4")
Dr. 258 Tyche (15° Can 59'13")

So it's apparent that in his line of work he saw things that he felt uneasy about, which didn't mesh with the ideals of America he grew up with. (I have not discounted the possibility that this whole thing might not be passing the smell test... we'll have to see how this all unfolds).

Seventh grouping:
128 Nemesis (18° Leo 44'1")
3652 Soros (19° Leo 4'17")
4220 Flood (19° Leo 13'52")
12927 Pinocchio (19° Leo 52'39")
Dr. 4955 Gold (20° Leo 10'44" Rx)
3412 Kafka (20° Leo 39'45")
Dr. 28978 Ixion (20° Leo 44'19" Rx)
Dr. 4179 Toutatis (21° Leo 44'33" Rx)

Seems like things got a little too real for him. (Not sure if there's a direct or indirect connection to George Soros or the like, but felt compelled to look up the asteroid).

Eight grouping:
Dr. 1125 China (5° Lib 10'52" Rx)
2254 Requiem (6° Lib 57'48")
1582 Martir (7° Lib 51'16")
916 America (8° Lib 4'23")
4227 Kaali (8° Lib 52'25")

This seems ominous somehow.

Ninth Grouping:
11144 Radiocommunicata (26° Lib 41'36")
Pluto (26° Lib 46'49" Rx)
Saturn (27° Lib 48'6" SD)

This makes things very interesting. He definitely is tearing down the power structures that rule over things with his leading of information. Also quincunx that Algol stellium.

Tenth grouping:
Dr. 588 Achilles (15° Sco 12'40" Rx)
4955 Gold (15° Sco 17'6" Rx)
Dr. BM Lilith (15° Sco 29'26")
28978 Ixion (15° Sco 50'41" Rx)
4179 Toutatis (16° Sco 50'55" Rx)
Moon (assumed if noon birthtime) (17° Sco 19'55")
2601 Bologna (18° Sco 52'48" Rx)
Dr. 1930 Lucifer (19° Sco 11'24" Rx)
34 Circe (19° Sco 19'49" Rx)
26955 Lie (19° Sco 27'8" Rx)

Birthtime isn't known so that moon could be on either end of this or outside orb of this asteroid stellium altogether. More of the smell test skepticism on my part... I do think it's rather impressive he made it through airport security and made a lengthy flight to a country that's currently suspected of engaging in cyber-espionage, and able to speak with a media outlet and not be picked up by the CIA instantly... Like something out of a movie or sheer luck?

posted June 12, 2013 10:14 PM            

774 Armor (25° Gem 16'10")
Conjunct:
- 19730 Machiavelli (24° Gem 6'29")
- Mars (24° Gem 50'3")
- North Node (25° Gem 6'22")
- 6583 Destinn (26° Gem 21'14")
Square:
- Draconic 2031 BAM (24° Pis 9'50")
- 2174 Asmodeus (25° Pis 35'3")
- 203 Pompeja (26° Pis 30'14")
Trine
- 11144 Radiocommunicata (26° Lib 41'36")
Quincunx
- 1685 Toro (26° Sco 5'25" Rx)
- Draconic Pholus (24° Cap 18'15")
- 4543 Phoinix (26° Cap 30'49" Rx)

...that's an interesting Yod... the squares look explosive too.

1685 Toro (26° Sco 5'25" Rx)
Conjunct (slightly wide orb):
- 886 Washingtonia (27° Sco 40'30" Rx)
Opposite (note these are with Algol):
- 99942 Apophis (24° Tau 43'53")
- Draconic 12927 Pinocchio (24° Tau 46'17")
- Draconic 3412 Kafka (25° Tau 33'23")
- 42355 Typhon (25° Tau 40'28")
Trine:
- Draconic 1912 Anubis (25° Can 38'19")
- 18824 Graves (26° Can 38'26")
- 2696 Magion (27° Can 26'51")
- 2174 Asmodeus (25° Pis 35'3")
- 203 Pompeja (26° Pis 30'14")
Sextile:
- 8690 Swindle (27° Vir 5'4")
- 4543 Phoinix (26° Cap 30'49" Rx)
- Draconic 443 Photographica (27° Cap 13'0")
Quincunx:
Mars (24° Gem 50'3")
North Node (25° Gem 6'22")
774 Armor (25° Gem 16'10")
6583 Destinn (26° Gem 21'14")
11911 Angel (26° Gem 47'33")

Toro's a little nuts... no Yod apexing here though from what I can tell. The Grand Trine, however... quite explosive. And occult. He's certainly more than he seems.

55 Pandora (6° Can 2'30")
Square:
- Draconic Sun (4° Ari 36'36")
- Draconic 1866 Sisyphus (5° Ari 57'2")
- Draconic 1125 China (5° Lib 10'52" Rx)
- 2254 Requiem (6° Lib 57'48")
Trine
- Draconic 5283 Pyrrhus (4° Sco 59'39" Rx)
- Draconic 103 Hera (7° Sco 18'33" Rx)
- Draconic 666 Desdemona (7° Sco 31'20" Rx)
- Draconic Chiron (4° Pis 53'58")
- Draconic 157 Dejanira (5° Pis 4'21")
- Draconic 42 Isis (5° Pis 4'35")
- Draconic 140 Siwa (5° Pis 24'47")
Sextile:
- 299 Thora (7° Vir 24'23")
Quincunx:
- Uranus (6° Sag 10'3" Rx)
- Draconic 232 Russia (6° Aqu 45'10")

Pandora... seems more related to his soul side.

Yeah I'm getting a strange feel about this. We are not getting anywhere near the whole story is my opinion. I have a few theories but am hesitant to voice them on open channels.

posted June 13, 2013 07:12 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by iQ:
The Sirius and Algol stelliums are ominous.
He is most likely to be assassinated unless China or Russia secretly makes him a prisoner.

Or, he was set up by someone who promised protection, and then abandoned him. Hong Kong is infested with Triads, why did he not go to Iceland[b] or Ecuador in the first place?

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because as an ex-cia operative he knows the whole of the south american continent is rife with cia agents, who know the place better than him and will get him, even in a leftist sympathetic country like Ecuador.

he may have also not wanted to look like leftist vs capitalist...to make sure everyone focuses on the matter at hand not this vs that.

but definitely looks like some showdown is going to happen in which he may be killed, if he doesn't use what he already knows with care.

posted June 13, 2013 11:10 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Armor, Mars, Destin conjunct his NN...maybe because this is destin and part of his souls necessary path he will be protected? Would be interesting to find a country or place conjunct NN...maybe that would be a safe haven for him!

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I hope so.

Also which asteroids to look up for this. I have a real strong feeling he's not being guided by the living, but something else.

like either a real strong something/one from the afterlife, or a none physical entity is doing something in his world, and is leading him and telling him where to go (by intuition) (hence the occult connection)

posted June 13, 2013 11:48 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by jellyfishtry:
Also which asteroids to look up for this. I have a real strong feeling he's not being guided by the living, but something else.

like either a real strong something/one from the afterlife, or a none physical entity is doing something in his world, and is leading him and telling him where to go (by intuition) (hence the occult connection)

How can we check for this via asteroids?

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Anubis (or Osiris & the rest)? Soulie (and Alma)? Melchior for star guidance? Just throwing in random asteroids at my end, no further idea.

posted June 13, 2013 06:03 PM            

Gabriel's name means 'God is my strength. Gabriel is the Angel of child conception or the process of adopting a child. This archangel also helps anyone whose life purpose involves art or communication. Defender of the Element of Water and of the West. The Angel of resurrection, mercy and peace and benefactor of " messengers". Purity, rebirth, creativity, prophecy, purifying your thoughts, body and emotions.Communication & the Arts. Patron Angel of all who work in the field of communications. postal workers, and clergy.

Archangel Michael ~

Michael's name means 'He who is like God' or 'He who looks like God' His chief function is to rid the earth and its inhabitants of the toxins associated with fear. Michael gives guidance and direction for people who need help or assistance in their life's purpose or career path ... to clarify or to make changes. Defender of the Element of Fire and of the South. Leader of the Archangels, he is the Angel of protection, justice & strength. Protection, courage, power and strength. Archangel Michael gives you protection, and encourages you to make life changes that are required for your spiritual growth.If your space needs clearing call upon Archangel Michael. Patron Angel of Law Enforcement and the Military

Archangel Raphael ~

Raphael's name means 'God heals' or 'God has healed' based upon the Hebrew word, Rapha, which means 'doctor' or 'healer' Raphael is a powerful healer of physical bodies, both for humans and animals. Defender of the Element of Air and of the East. He is the Angel of Love, Joy and Laughter, custodian of the Tree of Life and of Healing Powers. He helps you heal your mind, thoughts, body, and soul. Those suffering from addictions would benefit asking Archangel Raphael for assistance. Patron Angel
of all those in the field of Medicine

posted June 13, 2013 06:06 PM            

Michel is scorp@21.27
NN scorp@21.44
Vesta pisces@20

Gabriela cappy@5.27
IC cappy@7.56
Karma libra@5.56

Raphaela gemini@23.43
Giza gemini@23.44(ancient storehouse of knowledge)
Part of Fortune saggy@22.48
Chiron aries@24

Apostel saggy@12.32
Neptune saggy@11.15
DNA Saggy@16-17
Messenger gemini@15.58
Psyche gemini@15.29

posted June 14, 2013 05:26 AM            

But i was thinking of something more evolved (intelligence wise) and humane than an angel, and NOT from the 'Earth' realms.

I keep getting the feeling being we'd refer to as 'alien' are watching all this from some place, and powerful as they are, one is telepathically helping him.
like his source of 'help' is literally out of this world.

If the Russians figure this about him, they would be much more interested in having him than China is my guess.

Trying to figure out which asteroids for that...

Interestingly Gabby of all the asteroids you listed only angel (messenger also came up) repeated and am not sure the Angel Square Orpheus is a good thing (all of these at an orb of less than 2%):

Angel conjunct Logos (all in leo)
Angel conjunct Atropos "
Angel Square Orpheus (leo and Taurus)

from wikipedia

quote:

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Orpheus, was a legendary musician, poet, and prophet in ancient Greek religion and myth. The major stories about him are centered on his ability to charm all living things and even stones with his music, his attempt to retrieve his wife, Eurydice, from the underworld, and his death at the hands of those who could not hear his divine music

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Messenger sextiles Chiron (leo/ Gemeni)

interestingly to for more occult stuff:
Atlantis conjuncts Karma (all in Virgo)
Atlantis conjunct Zeus "
Atlantis opposite Arachane (virgo/picses)

posted June 14, 2013 07:54 AM            

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posted June 14, 2013 09:21 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't do Draconic. Which are the natal?
Where is Algol in the natal?

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posted June 14, 2013 10:49 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by jellyfishtry:
Thanks Keela and Gabby! keela do you have the numbers of all these asteroids, it'll take a while to look them up with my slow connection.

But i was thinking of something more evolved (intelligence wise) and humane than an angel, and NOT from the 'Earth' realms.

I keep getting the feeling being we'd refer to as 'alien' are watching all this from some place, and powerful as they are, one is telepathically helping him.
like his source of 'help' is literally out of this world.

Trying to figure out which asteroids for that...

from wikipedia
[QUOTE]Orpheus, ... and his death at the hands of those who could not hear his divine music

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As far as I recall Orpheus was eventually ripped to shreds by frenzied worshippers of Bacchus/Dionysus, after losing Eurydike for good.

1912, 3235, 1247, 390, 13226, 8666, 274301, 5881
Anubis, Melchior, Memoria, Alma, Soulie, Reuter, Wikipedia, Akashi

1923, 1923, 42 for Osiris, Horus, Isis

5335 Damocles
6475 Refugium? Refugee style things?
30718 Records
17038 Wake? 4908 Ward?

As for your star/alien sorts, more random throws.

8589 Stellaris
4150 Starr
22003 Startek

I doubt 831 Stateira has to do with state affairs, but have the number in any case. 2842, Unsold?

Going by a transit glance for his birthday, Wikipedia looks to be 26 Tau conj Algol and Reuter 22 Tau opposite his Unsold. There's even a Darksky asteroid, whatever it'd mean if not possible dark skies or horizons. 21073, transit for that day about 23,5 Aries.

Unrelated, but since I just discovered it otherwise...

posted June 14, 2013 11:42 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Keela:
As far as I recall Orpheus was eventually ripped to shreds by frenzied worshippers of Bacchus/Dionysus, after losing Eurydike for good.

1912, 3235, 1247, 390, 13226, 8666, 274301, 5881
Anubis, Melchior, Memoria, Alma, Soulie, Reuter, Wikipedia, Akashi

1923, 1923, 42 for Osiris, Horus, Isis

5335 Damocles
6475 Refugium? Refugee style things?
30718 Records
17038 Wake? 4908 Ward?

As for your star/alien sorts, more random throws.

8589 Stellaris
4150 Starr
22003 Startek

I doubt 831 Stateira has to do with state affairs, but have the number in any case. 2842, Unsold?

Going by a transit glance for his birthday, Wikipedia looks to be 26 Tau conj Algol and Reuter 22 Tau opposite his Unsold. There's even a Darksky asteroid, whatever it'd mean if not possible dark skies or horizons. 21073, transit for that day about 23,5 Aries.

Unrelated, but since I just discovered it otherwise...

"85179 Meistereckhart
Discovered 1990 Oct. 11 by F. Börngen and L. D. Schmadel at Tautenburg.
Master (in German, Meister) Eckhart (1260?-1327/28), born in Thuringia, is the greatest German mystic. His philosophy is unique, although it combines Greek, Neoplatonic, Arabic and Scholastic elements. Because part of his theological writings are in German, he influenced German language and terminology."

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Thank you Keela, that must have taken a while!!

i will do them all in a bit but so far presuming he was born at noon (i think he was born earlier but maybe not)

Unsold Rx squares Icarus RX in scorpio and aqua.

Also Osiris sextile Atropos (aries/gemeni)

Lilith sextiles Records (cancer taurus)

will check the others in a bit, but hmm dinonysus bacchus rituals, the only thing i can think of being similar these days are nightclubs which are all over HK, are assassins going to be hired to get him in a place like that (crowd, loud noise, no one will hear anything...hence the 'couldn't understand his music)

but don't have your or IQ and Blackseraphs expertise on asteroids ...yet....

posted June 14, 2013 12:40 PM            

Soulie conjunct Hephaistos (cancer/Taurus)

Reuter conjunct mean Node(gem/gem,rx)

Akashi conjunct Typhon (in taurus)

Osiris sextile Atropos (ar,ge)

Osiris conjunct Photographica (ar)

Damocles opposite Rhadamanthus (rx pi/vi)

Refugium sextile Alma (cancer/taurus)

Records sextile Lilith (ta/cn)

Ward square Admetos (le/ta)

Stateira sextile Akashi (cn/ta)

Stateira sextile Apophis (cn ta)

Unsold square Icarus (both rx in sc/aq)

ur darksky asteroid 21073 conjunct Osiris while both in aries.

and just because

Meistereckhart square Hylonome (ta/le)

Meistereckhart trine Rhadamanthus (ta/vi)

now for us to try and put it all together....

posted June 14, 2013 07:47 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Keela:
Algol's always the same place. Fixed star. About 25-26 Tau, depending on when people were born. Astrodienst provides the exact spot these days if you use that.

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Thank you Keela.

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posted June 14, 2013 09:07 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by jellyfishtry:

Interestingly Gabby of all the asteroids you listed only angel (messenger also came up) repeated and am not sure the Angel Square Orpheus is a good thing (all of these at an orb of less than 2%):

Angel conjunct Logos (all in leo)
Angel conjunct Atropos "
Angel Square Orpheus (leo and Taurus)

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Angel conjunct Logos is good, at least hes using spiritual beings to connect to the highest level of divine energy. Better than having Ate or Asmodeus conjunct logos!

(148780) Altjira-The energy/creator force behind everything...whos to say the creating force behind everything isnt Alien? Actually God would be alien to us, something not of this world.

I guess i just want to know theres divine meaning behind this, at least im hoping!

Might check the "Uranian planets"
h41 Hades
h43 Kronos
h45 Admetos
h49 Nibiru
h56 Selena/White Moon
h58 Waldemath Black Moon

posted June 15, 2013 05:48 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Angel conjunct Logos is good, at least hes using spiritual beings to connect to the highest level of divine energy. Better than having Ate or Asmodeus conjunct logos!

[b](148780) Altjira-The energy/creator force behind everything...whos to say the creating force behind everything isnt Alien? Actually God would be alien to us, something not of this world.

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And pro'ly there is a divine meaning somewhere in all this, even his bday and name numerolgy add up to the same mentally brilliant, and helping others without ego games,# 30.

I am already awake so just checked these two out for you, only close aspects with Hades and Admetos:

Hades sextile Atlantis (ge/le)
Hades conjunct Aphrodite (gemeni)

Admetos sextile Narcissus(ta/cn)
however his
Kassandra (and venus) conjunct Logos in leo to....

this is all presuming he was born at noon,

and ofcourse back to the self sacrifice for the 'liberating' of others

Pallas trine Haumea (rx cp/vi)
Pallas opposite Orpheus(rx cp/cn)

posted June 15, 2013 09:08 PM            

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posted June 16, 2013 10:06 AM            

The result MP's left and right are echoing what a great idea that would be...whatever the 'real' Russian motives, if he manages it looks like they would keep him safe, which is what everyone wants.

of course all of this is natal,
At an orb of less than 2%
His:
Russia Trines Panacea (ta/vi)

Does it mean Russia has the 'solution/cure' for his 'predicament'?

Russia Squares Orcus (ta/le)

Does it mean Russia sees things from the same point of view that he does?

On the other hand the only thing in a tight orbit to the asteroid Hong Kong, at an orb of less than 3%
is
Hong Kong square a RX Hebe

(some form of waiting because others aren't as mentally 'quick' as him?)

also less than 3&

Asteroid China RX, conjuncts Neptune, Sextile Ceres, and sextiles Industria...

Back to the first one, Russia could prove to be a good choice for him.

posted June 16, 2013 12:38 PM            

Heres an asteroid i love...RIP(Rest in Peace)

Draco Rip cap@13.11
Your 6th grouping

"Sixth grouping: (big one)"
1260 Walhalla (9° Can 57'36")
19 Fortuna (10° Can 39'50")
3811 Karma (10° Can 49'54")
37117 Narcissus (11° Can 37'2")
Dr. 2254 Requiem (11° Can 51'26")
Dr. 1582 Martir (12° Can 44'54")
Dr. 916 America (12° Can 58'1")
8752 Flammeus (13° Can 16'0")
Dr. 4227 Kaali (13° Can 46'3")
*Sirius (13° Can 50'31")
5325 Silver (14° Can 29'37")
Dr. 149 Medusa (15° Can 27'2")
6630 Skepticus (15° Can 47'4")
Dr. 258 Tyche (15° Can 59'13")

"So it's apparent that in his line of work he saw things that he felt uneasy about, which didn't mesh with the ideals of America he grew up with. "

Just like you said, he was unable to rest in peace because of what he saw.

Tropical Rip aries@8.17

opposed your 8th grouping...

Dr. 1125 China (5° Lib 10'52" Rx)
2254 Requiem (6° Lib 57'48")
1582 Martir (7° Lib 51'16")
916 America (8° Lib 4'23")
4227 Kaali (8° Lib 52'25")

He definitely cant rest in peace in America, sadly resting in peace is against his life force energy, he was put on earth to fight a fight that wouldn't allow him to live a peaceful life!

posted June 16, 2013 12:46 PM            

A possibility for safety...
26922 Draco Samara is gem@27.50
Mars (24° Gem 50'3")
North Node (25° Gem 6'22")
Armor (25° Gem 16'10")
Destinn (26° Gem 21'14")
Angel (26° Gem 47'33")

But tropical Samara virgo@22°56??