posted October 06, 2013 03:36 PM            

It was iQ who first introduced me to this asteroid. Later I found several references (in the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna) to Hara as another name for Lord Shiva (asteroid Siva)

Note: Swami Vivekananda (who is quite well known in the West) was one of Sri Ramakrishna's main disciples. Sri Ramakrishna chose Swami Vivekananda to spread the gospel outside India.

Back to Hara. Here's what iQ told me--

"Lord Shiva was "hijacked" by Aryans when they conquered India.
The Tripuri tribes of East India worshipped him for eons as "Siba" or The Master of All 5 Elements. HARAPPA is HARA + APPA. Appa is Dravidian for Father and HARA is a name of Shiva. So the Ancient Mohenjodaro Civilization that may have predated Egypt was built on Shiva Worship. Shiva could be the term given to the Universal God Soul, [Both Masculine and Feminine]."

So please add Hara to your list of Vedic asteroids, especially those who are interested in Kundalini.

I've been experiencing Kundalini awakening for some time now and in my natal the following asteroids play a significant part ... in aspects as well as geometric configurations.

Asteroids for Lord Shiva--Siva, Rudra, Mahakala, Shankar, Hara

Asteroids for Goddess Shakti--Kaali, Parvati, Tara (fierce from of Parvati ... similar to Goddess Durga)

Check your charts for these asteroids, especially in aspect to Saturn and asteroid Karma to see where we might have interference (or ease) with Kundalini awakening due to our karma. As always dreams, along with supporting astrology give a more complete picture of what is going on with our Kundalini Shakti.

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

~ True meditation is the correction and lifting of our thoughts … from fear, doubt, and insecurity to love, trust, and faith.

posted October 07, 2013 07:43 AM            

SHANKAR conjunct PARVATI (1) trine HERMES on the ASC (0-1)

HARA is on 19 Libra conjunct our NN-AMOR-CUPIDO-conjunction on 20 Libra. So there is another hit to that one. lol

posted October 07, 2013 07:43 AM            

SHANKAR conjunct PARVATI (1) trine HERMES on the ASC (0-1)

HARA is on 19 Libra conjunct our NN-AMOR-CUPIDO-conjunction on 20 Libra. So there is another hit to that one. lol

posted October 07, 2013 08:44 AM            

Many exact squares with other Kundalini asteroids, which result in a square pattern with the Moon. I hope these indicate more than just challenges.

Siva (27 Taurus) square Pluto/Jupiter (27/28 Leo, 1st house)
Siva trine Shankar (27 Virgo)
Karma conjunct Sun exact

posted October 07, 2013 08:55 AM            

Just edited and pasted them here lol.

We have the following:

Synastry:
his Rudra square my Parvati 2°
his Shanker square my Tara 1°
his Hara trine my Tara 0°
his Siva trine my Tara 1°
my Siva trine his Tara 2°
my Mahakala square his Parvati 2°

his BML conjunct my Venus/Kaali 0°
his BML square my Mahakala 0°
his BML quincunx my Rudra
my BML opposite his Siva/Hara
my BML quincunx his Shankar/Hermes

posted October 07, 2013 08:59 AM            

His Parvati opposite my Venus
My Siva trine his Mars

His BML conjunct my Kaali
My BML opposite his Siva/Hara
My BML quincunx his Shankar

His Siva/Hara square my Asc
His Shankar trine my Desc
His Mahakala quincunx my Asc
My Tara trine his Desc

His Parvati quincunx my Mercury
My Shankar sextile his Mercury

posted October 07, 2013 03:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
I wanted to write about asteroid Hara--I've mentioned it several times in my Kundalini thread in Universal Codes--

"The Tripuri tribes of East India worshipped him for eons as "Siba" or The Master of All 5 Elements. HARAPPA is HARA + APPA. Appa is Dravidian for Father and HARA is a name of Shiva. So the Ancient Mohenjodaro Civilization that may have predated Egypt was built on Shiva Worship. Shiva could be the term given to the Universal God Soul, [Both Masculine and Feminine]."

Asteroids for Lord Shiva--Siva, Rudra, Mahakala, Shankar, Hara

Asteroids for Goddess Shakti--Kaali, Parvati, Tara

Check your charts for these asteroids, especially in aspect to Saturn and asteroid Karma to see where we might have interference (or ease) with Kundalini awakening due to our karma.

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It's good that Hara got discussed sometime finally. I tried to ignite some conversation about it based on your mention of it back here, http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/001922.html but apart from IQ saying a bit I didn't have much success.

I have Hara at 27.08 Virgo with Samadhi and Nada + Krishnan a degree later.
Sextile Saturn at 27 Cancer and NN at 26.09 Scorpio.

Some things at 27 Virgo:

12472 Samadhi
4640 Hara
24 Themis
13777 Cielobuio
19208 Starrfield
2921 Sophocles

28 Virgo:
22533 Krishnan
4106 Nada 28.26
1181 Lilith

I discussed Logos-transits over Samadhi here, IQ pitching in a bit again, should that help with your end as well. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/002014.html

4227 Kaali 8.17 Virgo, conj 6.57 Venus.
Kaali square 9.01 Sag Neptune

1170 Siva 20.58 Sco (draconic ~24 Pis)
22817 Shankar 16.3 Can (draco 19.54 Sco) conj Alma-Lucifer-Tezcatlipoca-Briseis

Rudra 23.41 Libra (draconic 27 Aqua conj Hermes, opp Karma-Sun). Antiscion 6 Pis opposite Venus-Kaali
Jupiter 24.37 R Aries opp Rudra

Parvati 5.12 Lib (draco ~9 Aqua). Antiscion 24 Pisces conj draco Shiva
Pluto 7.36 Lib

Hanuman 6.47 Leo
ASC 6.53 Leo
Mahakala 8.13 Leo
Tara 9.03 Leo.
2415 Ganesa 9.59 Leo. Antiscion of Tara/Ganesa 20 Tau opp Shiva

Soma 29.13 Sag
Kama 1 Sco conj Union-Amenhotep-Samarkand-Cuithaluac-Drabble. Draconic ~5 Pis, Antiscion 28 Aqua opp Sun

Antiscia of 27 Virgo Hara/Samadhi = 2 Aries, my MC. Draconic Hara/Samadhi ~1 Aquarius conj my Reiki.

As mentioned before, my family seems to have a lot going on with the Indian asteroids despite no apparent connection to anything such culturally or location-wise. The only one to do yoga was my mother, and she didn't stick with it very long in the 80s either.

I also generally always bring up 2211 Hanuman as another Shiva-aspect or hint, since it features so strongly in my own chart. Sita has its own asteroid and Rama was likewise discussed with other people elsewhere with Ramakrishna or Raman asteroids. My Ramakrishna is 7 Libra conjunct my Pluto, sextile Hanuman/ASC.

posted October 07, 2013 04:18 PM            

What are you asking exactly when you already have the asteroids and their numbers? And what are Kanaya, Kahnia, Kana referring to? Gopala is presumably something to do with whatever palace I'd remember, but the rest don't ring a bell straight off.

Thank you for those though. Gopalan joins my Horus-Artemis-Moriarty-Beer etc. at 26.20 Gem and possibly even more importantly, Kanaya's 0.45 R Pisces finally offers another asteroid to join Dallas at my Moon's degree.

Kahnia 15.15 Vir (~1,5 conj Mercury)
Kana 14.40 Leo

posted October 07, 2013 04:18 PM            

Here's what wiki said:

" "Hare" can be interpreted as either the vocative of Hari, another name of Vishnu meaning "he who removes illusion", or as the vocative of Harā,[3] a name of Rādhā,[4] Krishna's eternal consort or Shakti. According to A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Harā refers to "the energy of God" while Krishna and Rama refer to God himself, meaning "He who is All-Attractive" and "He who is the Source of All Pleasure".[5] "

posted October 07, 2013 04:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
LCS,

What are you asking exactly when you already have the asteroids and their numbers? And what are Kanaya, Kahnia, Kana referring to? Gopala is presumably something to do with whatever palace I'd remember, but the rest don't ring a bell straight off.

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They are the various names of the Hindu God, Krishna.
I was just wondering if anyone knew any asteroid names of his counterpart, Radha/Radhika because I couldn't find any on the list on astro.com

posted October 07, 2013 04:31 PM            

Garuda-Anubis-Bonk-Seelie opposite Soulie-Ashkenazi, antiscion to 8 Virgo's Kaali. Things circulate one way or another.

http://www.indianhindunames.com/names-of-goddess-lakshmi.htm offered something to start searching for names from though, and I think there was talk about some possible name for Radha or Lakshmi somewhere on another thread, but I don't remember what it featured otherwise. Satya seems to ring a bell, so check for something with those as well? Someone (me?) had their Satya around 18 Gemini opposite my Vishnu, that's all I remember, so I have to check the lists and see. It gets complicated when there was Shiva and Sati as well.

quote:

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Oh! After doing some research, I found out that Hara can also be used as another name for Radha (Krishna's consort), hence the Vedic Maha Mantra (Hare Krisha), in which Radha and Krishna are worshipped together.

" "Hare" can be interpreted as either the vocative of Hari, another name of Vishnu meaning "he who removes illusion", or as the vocative of Harā,[3] a name of Rādhā,[4] Krishna's eternal consort or Shakti. According to A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Harā refers to "the energy of God" while Krishna and Rama refer to God himself, meaning "He who is All-Attractive" and "He who is the Source of All Pleasure". "

So in other words, Hara would be the shakti (energy force) of Krishna.

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posted October 07, 2013 04:41 PM            

In our composite we have Gopalan trine Hara 2°

posted October 07, 2013 04:50 PM            

Oh yes! I forgot about Vishnu.
Even though he was a past incarnation of Krishna, I'll check to see if there's any links with Hara.

Synastry:
His Vishnu opposite my Hara 3°

posted October 07, 2013 04:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:

Garuda-Anubis-Bonk-Seelie opposite Soulie-Ashkenazi, antiscion to 8 Virgo's Kaali.

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Who's Garuda, Seelie, Soulie and Ashkenazi?
LOL @ Bonk

Yeah its interesting to see how asteroids you feel a personal connection to, that are of a similar theme can be found aspecting each other in some way.

posted October 07, 2013 05:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Oh yes! I forgot about Vishnu.
Even though he was a past incarnation of Krishna, I'll check to see if there's any links with Hara.

Who's Garuda, Seelie, Soulie and Ashkenazi?
LOL @ Bonk

Yeah its interesting to see how asteroids you feel a personal connection to, that are of a similar theme can be found aspecting each other in some way.

Btw, my Sun, his Sun & Asc are at 8 Virgo too, conjunct your Kaali lol :P

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Vishnu is more the god Rama and Krishna are incarnations or avatars of. Vishnu and Shiva are "equals" more so, and Vishnu's mount was a creature called Garuda, with possible more modern-day ties to even phoenixes. Garuda's an enemy of the serpent-people Nagas otherwise. Wiki lists Hari as another name for Vishnu, the way these things would go with all of them, names being difficult to distinguish at this stage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishnu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garuda

"Throughout the Mahabharata, Garuda is invoked as a symbol of impetuous violent force, of speed, and of martial prowess. Powerful warriors advancing rapidly on doomed foes are likened to Garuda swooping down on a serpent. Defeated warriors are like snakes beaten down by Garuda. The field marshal Drona uses a military formation named after Garuda. Krishna even carries the image of Garuda on his banner."

Seelie and the rest don't tie to the Hindu lore, and other than the Seelie or Unseelie courts of fairyfolk I don't know of a particular meaning for them. "Silly" is supposed to hail from the same "happy, lucky, blessed" rootword though. I also have 1169 (<- one before Siva) Alwine on my NN, the word meaning "noble/old friend" or coming via Old English Alfwin/Elwin with oelf for elf and wine for friend, so I pay attention. Especially if asteroid Tinker passes for Tinkerbell the fairy, as it's the closest one by seconds to my Sun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seelie

What makes the Bonk-Seelie conjunction funnier still is that the Sabian symbol for the degree is something like "Gateway to the Garden of All Fulfilled Desires". Not sure how Anubis the guardian or Garuda tie in with all that, but that's what you get.

EDIT:
I forgot it's Seelos, not directly Seelie. There was some Blessed Francis Xavier Seelos, Roman Catholic priest born in 1819, which I remember checking before as well, but not getting much of a handle on based on the info. "Sea-loss" or some other mix doesn't seem much more enlightening either.

People here have used Soulie for another Soul significator along with Alma. Ashkenazi Jews I'm not too familiar with either, but know that at least that conjuncted my Soulie. Wiki says they these days make up about 74-85 % of the Jewish population of the world? Freud, Mahler, Einstein, Kafka and Anne Frank are listed among them.

posted October 07, 2013 07:27 PM            

Thank you for the links+explanations!

"What makes the Bonk-Seelie conjunction funnier still is that the Sabian symbol for the degree is something like "Gateway to the Garden of All Fulfilled Desires". Not sure how Anubis the guardian or Garuda tie in with all that, but that's what you get"

LOL nice!

Btw, Seelie also reminds me of Seele, German word for "soul", though the pronunciation is a little bit different.
I couldn't find it in the asteroid list though, what is the number for it?

"People here have used Soulie for another Soul significator along with Alma"

Ooh I shall check them in our charts too then!

my Soulie conjunct his Angel, Boda, Aphrodite, Dionysus
my Soulie opposite his Psyche (exact) & Dick
my Soulie square his Eros, Osiris, Adonis, Child

his Soulie conjunct my Asc (exact within 6 minutes ), DNA, Hera, Frigga, Desiderata, Kama
his Soulie square my BML, Siva, Isis, Eureka

my Alma conjunct his IC, Karma
my Alma square his Nymphe, Adorea, Devine, Don Quixote

his Alma conjunct my Soma, Atlantis
his Alma opposite my Moira (means fate), Bonk ~ LOL
his Alma square my Moon, Mars, Nameasteroid (exact), Aura, Boda, Penelope, Ishtar, Tara

"People on the boards here keep aspecting my Kaali or the 7-8 degrees Virgo region one way or another. IQ among many others, and OneRuledByMars having an ASC/Kaali conjunction DW with me both ways, so your Suns and more shouldn't be a surprise really."

posted October 07, 2013 07:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Btw, Seelie also reminds me of Seele, German word for "soul", though the pronunciation is a bit different.
I couldn't find Seelie in the asteroid list though, what is the number for it?

"People on the boards here keep aspecting my Kaali or the 7-8 degrees Virgo region one way or another."

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I edited just before and said I'd misremembered. It was Seelos, my always associating it with the Seelie for whatever reason. Coincidentally (or otherwise), the priest Seelos hailed from Germany like some other people you've discussed elsewhere.

If going by Seele for soul, I'd rather there not be the "seele-less" interpretation there, for the "soul-less" then. Sea-loss, (to) "see loss", "seal us", no idea what it'd ultimately be but the Blessed Francis Xavier Seelos is most likely what the source was.

I know I at some stage some years ago read something about the 7-8 degrees region of Virgo as something like "the spiritual centre of the universe", in the manner that you have the Galactic and SuperGalactic Centres elsewhere. I just never found the site where I read it, though know it had information about the Centaurs as well as loads of astronomical details alongside the astrological. Something about the constellations, Lizard and Corvus (? Raven?) was it, around that Virgo region? He didn't list the precise degrees for what it was, but I know my Venus was a degree or two off based on the impression got back then, so probably around 7-8 Virgo?

If it was true though and somehow tied to something more spiritual, the prevalence of people here with something fun around the degrees becomes all the more amusing. My Laotse is at 7 Virgo, too, for example.

EDIT: "Vesta was retrograde conjoining the Super Galactic Center (SGC) in sidereal Virgo, the spiritual center of the Heavens, which lies between Denebola of Leo and Vindemiatrix of Virgo" isn't as exact as the mention I had in mind, and as Denebola seems to be 21 Virgo it's off from what I read otherwise as well.

posted October 14, 2013 03:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
I have Hara conjunct Saturn exact. Great! This would indicate a past life yoga practice.

Many exact squares with other Kundalini asteroids, which result in a square pattern with the Moon. I hope these indicate more than just challenges.

Siva (27 Taurus) square Pluto/Jupiter (27/28 Leo, 1st house)
Siva trine Shankar (27 Virgo)
Karma conjunct Sun exact

Mahakala - 22 Cap
Tara - 22 Leo
Rudra - 22 Taurus
Moon - 22 Aqua
Hara - 21 Sco
Saturn - 21 Sco

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To add some more to the above:

What my natal chart reveals is a grand cross involving Kundalini asteroids at classic critical degrees.

According to Cafe Astrology, "21-22 degrees of fixed signs (Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, and Aquarius)" are classic critical degrees. "These are considered sensitive, and sometimes strengthening, points."