posted October 21, 2013 06:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am curious do you have the square in the composite?

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No, we have a semi-sextile though...

Composite 3H Uranus 21.57 Virgo
(conjunct composite Pluto 20.33 Virgo)

Composite 4H Venus 21.27 Libra
~square, lucky me~
Composite 12H Mars 20.31 Cancer
Composite 12H Juno 20.33 Cancer

posted October 22, 2013 10:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Also his Pisces ASC is exactly conjunct my Draconic ASC and Draconic Mars.

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I had never researched Draconic charts before and had no idea what any of this meant until I studied the topic a few hours ago. But now I faintly understand

Does it mean that he demonstrates in a very active, lively way the way your hidden self seeks expression? Something like that? I'd love to know what you make of this.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Of course there comes the feeling to have to be "more than I am", but to my surprise I have realized that I AM more than I always thought I was. THat was an interesting insight. Seems I have been pulling my limits a little too tight.
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My best friend also showed me that, that I am capable of more than I thought I could. She di not even verbalize it, it was just something she took for granted and did not doubt. lol

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Ditto to that feeling of pulling your limits too tight. And I love that other people can help us to realize who we are and what we're capable of.

Reminds me of the song I'll Be Your Mirror.

I find it hard to believe you don't know the beauty you are, but if you don't, let me be your eyes... =)

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well with both my Draco Mars and Draco Pluto activated I guess it is a lot about finding my inner strength, power, energy, passion, whatever. Well, it looks dark (his Draco Saturn is also conjunct my Draco Venus exactly, and hsi tropical Saturn on my Draco DESC exact) and heavy, but I actually like it. lol

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I haven't been able to make too much sense of all the Draco synastry you posted, but this sounds good to me! And I'm in a Venus conjunct Saturn marriage so I know the appeal of it. (Also the downside, but why mention that? LOL)

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
But being in his presence is very uplifting and energizing, and when I am not, it feels like air being left out of a balloon sometimes.

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Geez, love is such bear sometimes.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
his Pallas (24.20 Aqua) and his Psyche (25.13 Aqua)
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sextile my Mercury (25.02 Sag)
conjunct my Psyche (24.02 Aqua)

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Is Psyche conjunct Psyche a big thing? Or only Eros conjunct Psyche?

I'm only addressing a few of your asteroid aspects because I'm so new at this, my insights aren't worth much (if anything) and I don't mean to bombard you with questions.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
his Valentine (19.35 Scorpio)
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conjunct my Anteros (19.27 Scorpio)
(trine my Eros on 20.59 Cancer)

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Oh cute! So, applying what you quoted about Anteros, I can safely interpret this as, if you receive Valentines from him, you will reciprocate! =) Maybe on a psychic level this is exactly what's going on, you just have to settle with the hints he gives you that it's real on his side. Like why not? Performers aren't on a higher plane of existence than us.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
his Pluto (21.23 Libra) and his Anteros (22.20 Libra)
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conjunct my Sappho (22.06 Libra)

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In my amateur way, this sounds like, if you wrote love poems to him, he would feel them deeply and return the sentiment. IF. =)

Btw, thanks for inspiring me to look at my Draconic chart, it explains A LOT, just with my Draconic Venus conjunct my natal Aries Jupiter (less than one degree.) I had been thinking that my Leo ASC is probably exactly on my Venus-Jupiter MP because I can be just overwhelmingly affectionate to the point of annoying people.

posted October 23, 2013 08:56 AM            

Anyway, maybe it is all coincidental, but it just happens with a scary regularity.
I remember once he approached me during a solo concert, trying to persuade me in participating in a game (it involved having to eat chocolate - and exactly that day I had been beating myself up real badly for being that disgustingly obese as I was at that time, and just felt like I did not even deserve breathing the same air as normal people,. Yes I was at a REAL low, an he picks that day??? WEll, he was looking for some willing to participate in his little game, and there were really enough raising their hands vividly. I just, well I had had a weird feeling in my stomach, as we had had eyecontact more than once that evening, and so I decided to flat out ignore him and study the wall on the other side, which only made him come up to me and kneel beside me to remark on my ignoring of him and asking if I realy did not want to participate in tha game. And no I really did not want to.
I couldn`t think straight anyway with him being that physically close, after that he still was lingering for some songs close to me, singing some song from there - like 2 whole freaking stanzas, standing right behind/ beside me, with his hands on the back of my chair - it was pretty disconcerting. lol
I convinced myself though that it was part of the show and obviously he had picked me as the victim of the evening he could tease. lol)

I know, it is just the show and all, but I still felt overwhelmed by that.

After that well, we got back to pretty much ignoring each other / not talking (probably I am acting rather weird and evasive, too, from his perspective), and him standing right beside me, but at the same time ignoring me. LOL

Well, I guess I started that. *sighs*

"Not quoting your entire post but I love this story."
my family and me were having dinner at the foot of that castle yesterday. First time I was there after 30 years. I almost started crying. I do not know why this castle, it just touches me so deeply, also the village at the foot of it.
Well I always felt that strong pull to the ARtus-legend, but I guess I must have learned about this one after visiting the castle here. I donīt know.

And upon coming home I found that he had published in which musical he is performing next. A new production, a musical about Artus, and he will play the King. Naturally.

"Who hasn't had a celebrity crush?"
Yes, but maybe part of my delusion is that he doesn`t feel like a celebrity-crush. I have had those. Jude Law maybe is one, others were; Mr Sag, is something entirely different. I do not have any kind of idea what exactly.
Something in between a celebrity crush and a normal ccrush maybe?

"Colin's sun and moon form a grand trine with my sun, which is cozily conjunct his Saturn. I just needed to spend some time with him, ok, people? =)"
LOL
Sounds quite karmic actually.

"Sorry did I just SAY that??? lol"
LOL
I won`t tell anyone- Promise.

"Even if you don't feel Sag, you exude it. =) And I mean that as a compliment."
Thanks. And of course it is a compliment!
I like Sag-energy.

"Funny thing is...I'll bet he would love it."
Funny thing is, he might!

posted October 23, 2013 08:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Oh but real quick before I forget...I drew up our composite chart to answer this:

No, we have a semi-sextile though...

Composite 3H [b]Uranus 21.57 Virgo
(conjunct composite Pluto 20.33 Virgo)

Composite 4H Venus 21.27 Libra
~square, lucky me~
Composite 12H Mars 20.31 Cancer
Composite 12H Juno 20.33 Cancer

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Yes the semisextile would have been the other possibility (along with quinkunx. lol)

posted October 23, 2013 09:16 AM            

I am curious, how would you see it?

There are so many different takes on it. For me it is in a way a soul-chart (though of course soul shines through in the tropical as well, especially in terms of Moon and the like).

It lies underneath the tropical (which is the manifestation in the physical reality), it is sort of your potential, that qualities which you might not be aware you have until someone wakes it up. Usualy from the tropical level.
Some of these qualities are remainders of the past, some are simply embedded in your psyche.

I pay most attention to aspects like my Draco Moon on my tropical DESC.

"Does it mean that he demonstrates in a very active, lively way the way your hidden self seeks expression? Something like that? I'd love to know what you make of this."
Yes. That is how you could say it.

Funny enough my little brother (Who I have always considered being my soulmate, even upon his birth -and actually I picked his name, and only many years later realized that there was a knight at the round table, carrying the same name; but this was just a coincidence; there are no stories about that particular knight)

Anywy, my little brother has his ASC on the same degree as Mr Sag.

"I find it hard to believe you don't know the beauty you are, but if you don't, let me be your eyes... =)"
That is beautiful!

"So, applying what you quoted about Anteros, I can safely interpret this as, if you receive Valentines from him, you will reciprocate! =)"
Yes.

As I said it all just started when I realized that he was looking at me, unduly often. Of course I was wondering if I was just fantasizing that. But for some time he seemed to always know where I was, when I Was there.

For me my crush did not happen then, I liked him, and I was having that weird feeling in the pit of my stomach, I sometimes get when my inner voice is trying to tell me something. Like: If you want to get out, get out now. Don`t walk, RUN, or the moment might be gone. LOL
Yes, I surely felt there was something "special" about him even then, but I was able to repress that notion far far away, he was just a performer anyway. And I have had enough of my performer-delusions already. lol

No, I wasn`t crushing on him at all; it did not happen until I was standing in front of him, looking into his eyes for the first time and talking to him. THAT was the moment I felt like I was hit by something flash-like and yet almost solid. lol

I could have coped with liking his stagepersona, a role he portrayed, you know how it is with actor-crushes. You really admire their creativity or even their creations but you are not really attracted to them on a personal level, and if you meet them, they are kinda normal, boring people, you wouldn`t make a fuss about.

I thought it would be like that with him, too.
But I didn`t expect this. I mean, I didn`t expect to be that affected, meeting him in eprson. That as a person he is even so much more appealing than when he is in a role.
How can that be? This never happened to me before.
It is always always ALWAYS the role, stage persona, it is never this kind of blind, instinctual pull to another person!

"Performers aren't on a higher plane of existence than us."
No, apparently not.
At least he does not STAY there. PUtting him onto a pedestal, he will simply jump down of it. God damn it, I did EVERYTHING to keep up any kind of barriers up and he is just jumping off his pedestal? Who does that?

"In my amateur way, this sounds like, if you wrote love poems to him, he would feel them deeply and return the sentiment. IF. =)"
I found it interesting, I saw that we also have Sappho exactly conjunct Mercury and also conjunct Neptune in composite and Sappho is conjunct the DESC of the Davison chart exactly.

All three performers who have been messing with my mind, including Jude Law, have their Sappho conjunct my MOon, too. Mr Sag`s Sappho is the widest conjunction (3-4 degrees).

My Sappho on his Pluto - oh well.
Sappho she seems to relate to very sensual passionate feelings, which seek for a creative, poetic outlet.
But it is not the kind of romance, as the bards sang of, as in medieval times, as Sappho definitely sought the consummation of that passion.

I need to investigate that asteroid further.

"just with my Draconic Venus conjunct my natal Aries Jupiter (less than one degree.)"

Which degrees? I have some Draco planets in Aries.

posted October 24, 2013 05:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes I was at a REAL low, an he picks that day??? WEll, he was looking for some willing to participate in his little game, and there were really enough raising their hands vividly. I just, well I had had a weird feeling in my stomach, as we had had eyecontact more than once that evening, and so I decided to flat out ignore him and study the wall on the other side, which only made him come up to me and kneel beside me to remark on my ignoring of him and asking if I realy did not want to participate in tha game.

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Such a cute story!

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I couldn`t think straight anyway with him being that physically close, after that he still was lingering for some songs close to me, singing some song from there - like 2 whole freaking stanzas, standing right behind/ beside me, with his hands on the back of my chair - it was pretty disconcerting. lol

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Who cares about thinking straight, times like that? LOL Sounds like he was trying to get some affection out of you, really.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
And upon coming home I found that he had published in which musical he is performing next. A new production, a musical about Artus, and he will play the King. Naturally.

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Cuz astrology is true, so you two are probably receptive to many of the same ideas. It all sounds magical though.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Anyway composite Venus-Mars-square is nothing bad actually. Just shows the strong triggering of these romantic- sexual-vibes.

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Yes, we are very compatible that way, I'm really happy with that part of my life. The problem is more composite Mars square composite sun (which is conjunct composite Venus with a wider orb, like 5 degrees.) I see that as just another source of day-to-day tension and volatility.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am curious, how would you see it?

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I see astrological concepts most clearly through experience, I think we all do, and I have so little experience with Draconic, I can only apply what I've read...and what I have read (on Kim Falconer's site, specifically, as she has a nice long article on it) matches everything you wrote. So ditto to what you said.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Anywy, my little brother has his ASC on the same degree as Mr Sag.

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That is so cute!

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
But for some time he seemed to always know where I was, when I Was there.

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Was he born on December 19th by the way? I'm just thinking of how, in Gary Goldschneider's astrology system (not sure if you've heard of him) December 19th is part of what that astrologer calls The Cusp of Prophecy, and he maintains that people born at that time are psychic. Of course, you and Mr Sag have that Mercury-Neptune conjunction, too.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
But I didn`t expect this. I mean, I didn`t expect to be that affected, meeting him in eprson. That as a person he is even so much more appealing than when he is in a role.

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That's interesting, I used to imagine that a lot of famous people are just superficial snobs in person but then some of them go on the talk shows and you can tell they are actually very substantial. I think the best actors probably have the best personalities in real life. Like, I don't usually pay attention to younger men, but I really liked Ryan Gosling in The Notebook, and every interview I've seen of him impresses me to the point where I am just astounded. His sun is exactly on my NN..I wanna be like him!

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
God damn it, I did EVERYTHING to keep up any kind of barriers up and he is just jumping off his pedestal? Who does that?

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Someone who probably likes you...

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Sappho she seems to relate to very sensual passionate feelings, which seek for a creative, poetic outlet...

I need to investigate that asteroid further.

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Me, too. Mine's at 6.11 Cap, conjunct your Venus. Well, if we were both lesbians that might be a good sign, right? But aside from that, there is a bit of poetry in this conversation I think...maybe not the way things are phrased, but the sentiments we are talking about.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Which degrees? I have some Draco planets in Aries.

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posted October 25, 2013 07:13 AM            

since yesterday I am in a state of deep shock. I mean, this is not possible. I must delude myself!

Mr Sag posted a picture of his slightly older brother on his facebook site, and, well there is always a bit of doubt, always a possibility I am wrong, but with 80% certainty, I have met his brother before!

Many years ago (in 1996 I think), I was invited to a wedding in the city where both are living, by a friend from university (unfortunately we have lost contact pretty much right after the wedding).

Anyway, there was this guy around my age there, and he was so nice to give me a ride to the trainstation (which was about almost an hour ride).
I actually felt a little awkward about this, but it was winter, a lot of snow. Actually the car had some problems, as the city is located within hills, and I had to operate the brakes while he was trying to get this damned car to drive again.
I felt very overstrained, barely able to cope. (if it is realy his brother, it must be a family thing, this family really pushes me out of my comfort zone as it seems. lol)
But we managed to get the car running again; I do not remember much from our talk, probably because it is so long ago, I was right in a dark night of the soul phase, I just dimly remember him talking about his father, and also about his younger brother and something about music and musicals. I deflected that cause at that time I had just turned my back onto the musical theatre, I did not want to be reminded of any of it.
But seriously, the location fits, the age, the looks - but this is not possible, right???

Anyway,t I was even more socially awkward then I am today, and not very smart.
Actually my mom scolded me for being such a b*tch to that young man. I guess I wasn`t realy all that friendly and receptive. She was asking me if I will see him again, and Isaid to her that I of course would not, he had *Just* been giving me a ride.
I remember she was looking at me, gave an exasperated sigh and pointed out that he would have hardly given me such a long ride to thes tation, when he didn`t have to get there on his own, if he wasn`t even slightly interested in me.

*scratches head*

Yeah, I do remember that instance quite well. Cause yes, I was acting defensively, awkwardly and not as friendly as I should have been, given he was really nice to me.

But seriously, this cannot have been Mr Sag`s brother, can it?

posted October 25, 2013 04:58 PM            

Well I LOVE this story, thanks very much for telling it to me. I am just curious about how you have dealt with the attention you get from Mr. Sag (and his family?)... it feels so karmic and strange that you find yourself oddly close to them and then oddly ignoring them. As if you are dealing with past life matters...maybe your clans feuded in the past or something??

Sorry you went through a dark night of the soul. I've had short experiences with it, but nothing that lasted more than a few weeks...still, I think I can imagine the mindset you were living in when you met his brother.

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