posted October 18, 2013 11:34 AM            

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Concerning orbs though, there are a few different schools of thought. There's one chart of orbs that's given by the Foundation of Astrological Studies which attempts to give different orb allotments based on the aspect involved. This system gives Oppositions and Conjunctions the largest orb and it slowly dwindles down from there to several lesser aspects. A more traditional idea is that the orb differs depending on the planets involved. The Sun would have 8 and a half degrees, the Moon has six, Mercury and Venus have 3 and a half, Mars gets four, and Jupiter and Saturn get four and a half. You simply add up the numbers of the planets involved and the sum of their moeity (the degrees I listed) tells you how much space you can consider the aspect. So, a Square between the Sun and Moon gets 14 and a half degrees (6+8 and a half) of an orb because those planets are obviously so much brighter and give off a lot more light (which is where the ideas of aspects and orbs originate), whereas a Square between Mercury and Saturn would only get 8 degrees (3 and a half + 4 and a half) because those planets are much dimmer in the sky.

For the outer planets, asteroids, and other non-luminous objects, the idea is to use 5 degrees, or 2 and a half on either side of the aspect, so for Juno and Jupiter, for example, you'd do 2 and a half + 4 and a half and get 7.

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More technical discussion: http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspectorbs.html

posted October 18, 2013 12:30 PM            

I'd like to hear other peoples opinion.

I, sure, hope we can allow bigger orbs. I have a lot of lovely wide conjunctions, but if I follow the "rule" of 5 max, 2 for asteroids, then my synastry looks very dull, even though it is the first relationship where I love, in love, and it's just getting better and better after 2 years.

(I've Venus in 12th house squaring Uranus; I'm 30, had tons of relationships no more than a year, being in a rs was always a BIG struggle for me... until now).

posted October 18, 2013 02:14 PM            

However, in some cases a wide orbed longitudinal aspect will align with a very close parallel or contraparallel.
Also, midpoint configurations seem to draw planets closer together.

So in the case of orb the context is important.

An isolated 9 degree Venus-Saturn-trine?
Nope.

However, if the Venus/Saturn-mp would be conjunct Sun, with Sun having a 4 dgre sextile to both, there is a closed circuit, and it is undoubteldly important.

posted October 18, 2013 02:18 PM            

conjunction: 12 degrees
opposition: 6 degrees
trine: 4 degrees
square: 3 degrees
sextile: 2 degrees

conjunction is a one harmonic aspect and sets the frame, 12 degrees.
oppositions is a second harmonic aspect (so you divide the max. orb by 2)
Trine is a third harmonic aspect (12 divided by3)

and so on and on.

And then some just pick eht orb that suits them to allow them to find what they want to see in a chart.

*shrugs* Everyone`s entitled to their own approach.

posted October 18, 2013 02:53 PM            

Here're my general 'guidelines':

1. Everything that 'jumps out'. Typically exact aspects.
2. Everything that's within 2 orb.
3. Look for configurations and patterns. Widen the orbs as needed (depending upon how you roll) for those points.

For example, my costar's Eros is at 28 Aries with his Moon at 22. Normally, we'd think that's too wide for asteroids - even a luminary. It's involved in a strong configuration (and stellium) in his chart - in the 5H. Since he's a creative professional in Hollyweird with a passion for the more transgressive projects, he's expressing that 5H Eros rather regularly. His mother also loved to buck authority, doing nutty things like racing the top drivers in the '50s - and sometimes winning. Eros is, after all, not just erotic - but also creative, and likes to dabble in the taboo.

So while 6 orb seems ungodly wide for asteroids, if we follow something more like the above, we can see how it could be stretched. If the Moon alone is 6, in this theory, and most 'roids are 2, we could reasonably allow an 8 orb. That seems viable here.

Now, if Eros were in another house, or the conjunction had no other activity to 'beef it up', that'd be sketchy. Perhaps, being where he is, doing what he's doing, he'll draw on that energy naturally and 'activate' it - but it seems there and at the ready to BE activated.

posted October 18, 2013 03:27 PM            

I basically agree with your approach.

Though for me personally I would add "widen the orb - within reason" (what that is is surely debateable).

As for orbs alone I have these categories:

0°00-1°59: very strongly felt, insistent (almost like you have no choice but have to react if triggered)

2°00-3°59: medium strong; definitely felt, but not as insistent as immediate reaction

4°00-5°59: rather weak and subtle, though can become amazingly important if part of patterns, which also include closer orbs.

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Also, I wouldn`t make my choice of orb dependent on the environment of a person, as astrology works in all encompassing ways and consistently, no matter who you are, where you are or how old you are.
The expression of the aspects might be different (within the valid range of interpretation), but the calculation itself has to follow consistent rules.

My opinion only of course.

posted October 18, 2013 10:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Indigo,

I basically agree with your approach.

Though for me personally I would add "widen the orb - within reason" (what that is is surely debateable).

As for orbs alone I have these categories:

0°00-1°59: very strongly felt, insistent (almost like you have no choice but have to react if triggered)

2°00-3°59: medium strong; definitely felt, but not as insistent as immediate reaction

4°00-5°59: rather weak and subtle, though can become amazingly important if part of patterns, which also include closer orbs.

EDIT:
Also, I wouldn`t make my choice of orb dependent on the environment of a person, as astrology works in all encompassing ways and consistently, no matter who you are, where you are or how old you are.
The expression of the aspects might be different (within the valid range of interpretation), but the calculation itself has to follow consistent rules.

My opinion only of course.

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posted October 19, 2013 08:50 AM            

Well, I use them as an anchor I think, and then spread out from there. But these 00 degree aspects, it is like you don`t have a choice, you simply react, sometimes not even really aware of what or why it triggered that reaction.

It is like there is no dimmer in there. Like a switch is being triggered and the light is on, an electric impulse hitting you and you react from some instinctual level.

With the wider orbs it seems we have a little more "thinking-time".

Anyway, I used the event chart of the Titanic hitting that iceberg as an example, and actually hadn`t looked at it before,so I did not even know if it would confirm my theory or conviction on this.

HOwever I was pretty amazed at the clear image the exact aspects gave. There was really pretty much all of the story told in them!

Neptune on 21 Cancer in 7th house squaring South Node on MC on 21 Libra both.

Pluto conjunct DESC on 27 Gemini.

Moon conjunct Eris on 26 Pisces, and being within that exact orb of being squared by Pluto (the DESC-Moon-square was 1°19, which was tight enough anyway).

Believe me, it left me sitting there with my mouth wide open.

That doesn`t mean the wider orbs would play no role, but I find it interesting to track these exact aspects first.

posted October 19, 2013 10:06 AM            

I've just started getting into asteroids, so I haven't done much comparison between what the charts say and how experiences are playing out. And my ability to differentiate celestial influences is pretty weak still, so I can't say for sure what I feel and don't feel.

I do see how the more exact aspects I have with my husband are all more or less positive for long-term synastry, and they seemed to take over and rule our fate (my Venus conjunct his Saturn, his Psyche conjunct my Juno, his Juno trine my Juno...and so on.)

Just one question:

I wonder if, because Eros and Psyche are a "pair," a wider orb automatically applies? I'm picturing them like two magnets, and the closer they get, the more they cling, but they still feel that attraction over three or four degrees orb?

posted October 19, 2013 10:13 AM            

However, 3 or 4 degrees for a conjunction seems reasonable enough for me. It will not be as strong as a closer conjunction, but oh well, might still be valid.

This is especially true if you have them parallell each other, too, or other aspects are pulling them closer together.

posted October 19, 2013 10:14 AM            

I amc urious though.

posted October 19, 2013 08:44 PM            

I posted my comment above then left the house and realized that I messed up: no, it's not true that all our tightest aspects are positive. I was just thinking sloppy.

And when I said "more exact" I meant within a 2 degree orb. 'Had to clear that up first. So I was talking about these aspects...I arranged it so it's easy to see at a glance the orbs less than 1 degree.

His Venus 6.19 Virgo
My Venus 6.36 Sag
My Uranus 6.35 Scorpio

His Sun 7.51 Leo
His Uranus 7.20 Leo
His Saturn 7.47 Sag
His BML 7.20 Pisces
His Amor 7.41 Taurus
My BML 7.31 Aries
My Psyche 7.57 Gemini

His NN 15.48 Scorpio
His Lust 16.23 Virgo
My sun 15.49 Cap
My Amor 15.55 Pisces

His Chiron 15.12 Aquarius
My Mars 16.01 Gemini
My Jupiter 16.01 Aries

His Valentine 18.52 Cancer
My moon around 18 Pisces (no exact time)

His Sappho 19.41 Virgo
His Juno 21.54 Taurus
His Psyche 20.37 Virgo
My Juno 19.13 Virgo (I thought it was 21!)
My SN 20.00 Taurus

His Mars 25.02 Leo
My Chiron 23.35 Aries

posted October 20, 2013 07:47 AM            

" I meant within a 2 degree orb."
Yes, those are the most impactful I agree.
My first category of orbs.
As you can see in my example of the Titanic the Moon-DESC-square was between 1-2 degrees (1 degree 19), but it would have been nunsense to break it apart, for all the other aspects were so exact.

"His Venus 6.19 Virgo
My Venus 6.36 Sag
My Uranus 6.35 Scorpio"
I see Uranus coming up a bit. HOw do you experience that?
I mean with the sextile there it sounds quite nicely simulating.

"His NN 15.48 Scorpio
His Lust 16.23 Virgo
My sun 15.49 Cap
My Amor 15.55 Pisces"
Do you feel like he is more physically attracted and you have more compassion and forgiving love?
I just mean because his Lust is trine your Sun and your Amor trines his NN. Though of course it would probably be pretty smooth and harmonious anyway with the trines.

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His Valentine 18.52 Cancer
My moon around 18 Pisces (no exact time)"
Hopefully this is your Moon, cause that just sounds too delicious and gentle.

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His Sappho 19.41 Virgo
His Juno 21.54 Taurus
His Psyche 20.37 Virgo
My Juno 19.13 Virgo (I thought it was 21!)
My SN 20.00 Taurus
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Hmm have you been married in a past life?

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My Lust 27.26 Cap
His Jupiter 28.49 Virgo
His Neptune 29.56 Libra
My Saturn 0.36 Leo
My Vesta 0.35 Aries"

how do you feel that Saturn-Neptune-square? I remember ther eis a whole website dedicated to that karmic-aspect. lol

posted October 20, 2013 08:10 AM            

Major planets
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his ASC (25.02 Pisces) square my Mercury (25.03 Sag)
his ASC (25.02 Pisces) square my Sun (25.56 Sag)
his Sun on 26.57 Sag conjunct my Sun on 25.56 Sag (yeah, I know, 1.01. lol)
his Saturn (26.42 Virgo) square my Sun (25.56 Sag)

his Moon (28.38 Sag) sextile my true BML (28.40 Aquarius)
his IC (28.04 Gemini) trine my true BML (28.40 Aquaruis)
his BML (28.13 Leo) opposite my BML (28.37 Aquarius)

his Mercury (9.22 Sag) conjunct my Neptune (9.56 Sag)
his Mercury (9.22 Sag) conjunct my NN (10.09 Sag)
his Mercury (9.22 Sag) sextile my Pluto (9.05 Libra)

his Mars (11.05 Virgo) opposite my Jupiter (11.12 Pisces)
his Mars (11.05 Virgo) square my NN (10.09 Sag)
His Mars (11.05 Virgo) square my Neptune (9.56 Sag)
his Jupiter (10.09 Virgo) opposite my Jupiter (11.12 Pisces)
his Jupiter (10.09 Virgo ) square my NN (10.09 Sag)
his Jupiter (10.09 Virgo) square my Neptune (9.56 Sag)

his Pluto (21.23 LIbra) square my Vertex (21.28 Cancer)

his NN (1.22 Virgo) sextile my Uranus (1.21 Scorpio)

posted October 20, 2013 09:54 AM            

" I meant within a 2 degree orb."
Yes, those are the most impactful I agree.
My first category of orbs.
As you can see in my example of the Titanic the Moon-DESC-square was between 1-2 degrees (1 degree 19), but it would have been nunsense to break it apart, for all the other aspects were so exact.

"His Venus 6.19 Virgo
My Venus 6.36 Sag
My Uranus 6.35 Scorpio"
I see Uranus coming up a bit. HOw do you experience that?
I mean with the sextile there it sounds quite nicely simulating.

"His NN 15.48 Scorpio
His Lust 16.23 Virgo
My sun 15.49 Cap
My Amor 15.55 Pisces"
Do you feel like he is more physically attracted and you have more compassion and forgiving love?
I just mean because his Lust is trine your Sun and your Amor trines his NN. Though of course it would probably be pretty smooth and harmonious anyway with the trines.

"
His Valentine 18.52 Cancer
My moon around 18 Pisces (no exact time)"
Hopefully this is your Moon, cause that just sounds too delicious and gentle.

"
His Sappho 19.41 Virgo
His Juno 21.54 Taurus
His Psyche 20.37 Virgo
My Juno 19.13 Virgo (I thought it was 21!)
My SN 20.00 Taurus
"
Hmm have you been married in a past life?

"
My Lust 27.26 Cap
His Jupiter 28.49 Virgo
His Neptune 29.56 Libra
My Saturn 0.36 Leo
My Vesta 0.35 Aries"

how do you feel that Saturn-Neptune-square? I remember ther eis a whole website dedicated to that karmic-aspect. lol

posted October 20, 2013 12:18 PM            

First I'll answer your questions, then I have some for you. I've seen you mentioning this fellow you're interested in, but have you posted the background story anywhere? How incredible that you two share the same birthday!

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I see Uranus coming up a bit. HOw do you experience that?

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My Uranus square his sun-Uranus is probably one of our worst aspects. The arguments can go from petty, trivial bickering to "I'm moving out" in like five minutes. It only happens once in a while, but I *never* know when it will hit. It's totally Uranian.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I mean with the sextile there it sounds quite nicely simulating.

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Yes, my Uranus sextile his Venus, his Uranus trine my Venus...that's all good! I have an Aquarius DSC (don't know the exact degree) and I like his sun-Uranus just fine. Also my Mercury is at 5.01 Aquarius, so, while not part of the "tight aspect club" it still hooks into our 6 and 7 degree conjunctions, more or less. I don't have his exact birth time, either, but I know he's a Libra moon, more or less trine my Mercury.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Do you feel like he is more physically attracted and you have more compassion and forgiving love?
I just mean because his Lust is trine your Sun and your Amor trines his NN. Though of course it would probably be pretty smooth and harmonious anyway with the trines.

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I think we are about equally attracted to each other physically (my BML and Venus forming grand trines with his sun-Uranus and Saturn) but I might be more compassionate, or at least open to letting him express himself and do what makes him happy. I don't know if that's the asteroids or just my Pisces moon doing its thing.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
His Valentine 18.52 Cancer
My moon around 18 Pisces (no exact time)"
Hopefully this is your Moon, cause that just sounds too delicious and gentle.

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Yeah and his ASC is right around there, too. Otherwise he's a water void, so these things are important. Something in our chart is giving us sensitivity, and it might just be that.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Hmm have you been married in a past life?

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I have no idea but it does seem karmic.

Short bonus story, to illustrate:
When I was in high school, I used to buy art magazines, cut out the art I liked, and tape them all over my room. One day, I cut out a picture of this super-realistic mannequin sculpture of a shirtless guy with glasses. I sat on my bed for like five minutes staring at the picture, trying to decide why it was so compelling and where it should go in my room. Finally I taped it at eye level next to my full-length mirror. So I was dressing and undressing in front of it for years before I met my husband who...of course....looked exactly like that mannequin sculpture.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
how do you feel that Saturn-Neptune-square? I remember ther eis a whole website dedicated to that karmic-aspect. lol

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I've never noticed we had the aspect before I did this inventory for you last night. LOL

So I just googled it and found this:

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The square between Saturn-Neptune in the Synastry chart can indicate a karmic lover relationship, but the lovers have not usually lost one another through their love, that is, their relationship didn't cause or contribute to the death of one or both partners as can be the case with the Saturn-Neptune opposition in a karmic house touching a planet or light in both individual nativities. The square more often indicates that there were difficult circumstances in the past that the two individuals failed to handle appropriately and they will once again face a similar situation together. Their incompetence may have cost lives, particularly if they were involved in the medical profession or were military leaders. This configuration can appear when both partners need to work toward a goal that will benefit mankind. It can become a driving force behind a team dedicated to helping others. The square will often be strong enough to hold the two people together if they are able to focus the energy outside the relationship rather than within it. The fear that lingers so deeply with the opposition could manifest within the relationship with the Saturn-Neptune square, but it isn’t likely to be as strong nor focused within the relationship. For instance, meeting the other person could bring up unknown fears and insecurities within each individual, but they will not be fearful of the other person. Instead, they may come to lean on the other to offer support and help them overcome the new fears as they develop. Fear of professional success or health maladies may be brought to the forefront through the connection. For instance, one partner may be scared to take a risk in order to make more money or gain prestige in his or her profession while the other partner develops allergies or begins to worry excessively about cancer or another terrible disease.

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Link

I put the part I like in bold. He and I are both so tough, I can see us in a past life commanding a military, and indeed, a few of our sons' middle names are that of military commanders (my Mars is conjunct Rigel, that's supposed to grant me the ability to draw up military strategies)...but then he and I both became peace advocates and have become wholly disgusted with war. I do hope the journey towards seeing ourselves on equal footing with all people does continue.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Is he somehow mellowing or melting your control and defensive mechanisms?

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Hmm! Good question. Maybe, because I have to come to terms with the fact that he'll never be the way I want in some respects, and rather than trying to pressure him to conform, to save myself a bunch of hassle I just have to drop my expectations altogether and find other things in the relationship to focus on and be grateful for.

Did I say too much? Sorry! But I feel like I'm a couples workshop as I write, even if he's not here.

posted October 20, 2013 12:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
My exactest aspects with Mr Sag are:

Major planets

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So much with just with the major planets/angles...wow.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
his ASC (25.02 Pisces) square my Mercury (25.03 Sag)
his ASC (25.02 Pisces) square my Sun (25.56 Sag)

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I'm preferential towards Sag-Pisces synastry, I've seen a lot of healing in these interactions, despite the trouble that tags along. Do you feel that he has a healing effect on you?

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
his Sun on 26.57 Sag conjunct my Sun on 25.56 Sag (yeah, I know, 1.01. lol)
his Saturn (26.42 Virgo) square my Sun (25.56 Sag)

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I've said this at LL only about a thousand times...why not once more? Linda Goodman says in Relationship Signs that Saturn square sun is like the single most binding aspect a couple can have. I've seen it with couples before. Do you think that he, Saturn, feels bound to you? Seems like you feel bound to him =)

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
his Moon (28.38 Sag) sextile my true BML (28.40 Aquarius)
his IC (28.04 Gemini) trine my true BML (28.40 Aquaruis)
his BML (28.13 Leo) opposite my BML (28.37 Aquarius)

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I'm no BML expert...what do you make of this? The BML opposition looks most intense to me, like holy cow.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
his Mercury (9.22 Sag) conjunct my Neptune (9.56 Sag)

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
his Mercury (9.22 Sag) conjunct my NN (10.09 Sag)
his Mercury (9.22 Sag) sextile my Pluto (9.05 Libra)

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Do you miss him intensely when he's not around? Mercury articulating the position you are aiming for in life, is it tempting to see him as sort of a lighthouse showing you which direction to take?

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
his Mars (11.05 Virgo) opposite my Jupiter (11.12 Pisces)
his Mars (11.05 Virgo) square my NN (10.09 Sag)
His Mars (11.05 Virgo) square my Neptune (9.56 Sag)
his Jupiter (10.09 Virgo) opposite my Jupiter (11.12 Pisces)
his Jupiter (10.09 Virgo ) square my NN (10.09 Sag)
his Jupiter (10.09 Virgo) square my Neptune (9.56 Sag)

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I'm not advanced enough to grasp the import of all this, my guess is that your Jupiter in his 12H means that you play into his spirituality in a big, yet hidden way? I know someone whose Jupiter is in my 12H and that's how he functions in my life, hence my guess. His Mars-Jupiter squaring your nodal axis sounds like he would spur you along..or even represent a critical point in your self-development?

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
his Pluto (21.23 LIbra) square my Vertex (21.28 Cancer)
his NN (1.22 Virgo) sextile my Uranus (1.21 Scorpio)

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I'm trying to think...so is he a Horse? And you're a Tiger? Sounds good! =)

So his SN in Pisces is trine your Uranus, it's like his spiritual expressions make perfect sense to your higher mind...something like that?

No need to answer all my questions, of course... I'm curious but don't want to hog all your time.

posted October 21, 2013 05:42 AM            

the short sober story is he is just a performer I apparently admire.

The story underneath is a little more complicated though. lol
How my life basically changed after meeting him (of course at first resulting in me staging a total disappearing act).

Anyway, it`s the effect he has on me that is the important thing, not what actually happens.
I just wished he would sometimes stay on stage and not decide to spend much of the concert time while standing right beside me. Obviously he thinks it is a good place to perform from; and it doesn`t really seem to matter where I am sitting. He always ends up there.

And if he could please stop looking at me like that, like there were things being left unsaid.
He should not look at me, I am the audience, I am supposed to look at HIM.

He puzzles me, and I guess I am puzzling him, in that I pretty much refuse to get into contact with him, like every good fan should do. And he is one of the very approachable performers.
But it`s not my thing, not an autograph-and photo kind of woman.

(more the kind of woman who walked up to him 5 years ago, without knowing him, and asking him for his birthtime straight away and asking for a permission to look into his horoscope. No wonder I wish he had forgotten that occurrence. Heck, I wish I could forget, sometimes!)

But no, we do not know each other, though rom the very first time he felt so familiar like I have always known him, or known him before, and lost contact. It was strange.

Later I found out that his hometown (he still lives there, no Idid not stalk him, he is talking a lot when he is on stage. lol) is the town my family and me have often been visiting during my childhood, because my great grandmother was living nearby.
So in a way he reminds me a lot of that phase of my childhood, very serene and peaceful, and going there for a concert or so, always feels like coming home.
now that my last grandparent has passed away, it becomes even more important to stay in touch with that kind of root for me.
Weirdly I felt that familiarity about him even before I knew he was living there.
Actually when I was meeting him I was suddenly having a flash of a memory from my childhood, when my family and me were visiting a castle, and this little blonde boy was running up to me, before his elder brother could catch up with him and lead him away.

I am not saying it was him orthat this really took place, but it was when I saw him, that this scene was shooting through my mind. No clue what that was about.

But I am intrigued enough. lol

But yea I understand anyone who would point out what kind of delusional I am.
Still, there is no doubt that him crossing my path has made a big change for me.
it is not often that I look into someone`s eyes and see myself.
I mean, no, that is not right, he IS very very different from me, so outgoing and extrovert. (some things are eerily similiar though, right down to the family structures).

But it was like by looking into his eyes,i realized who I was, or let`s say, the core Me, that I had pushed down for quite some time. I did not even know she was still insid of me.
But that is the girl that would walk up to a stranger and ask him for a birthtime. Or turn to a woman who is giving her nasty looks, and poke out her tongue at her.
Or jumping onto a small wall and balancing there like a little child.
Well, I realized that this part of me deserves some playtime, too.
I have gotten so Saturnian/ Capricornian that I sometimes forget the goofy side of my Sagittarius, and I guess he reminded me of that, that this is a part of me, too.

Think I should send him a Thank-you-note? Like just saying: Thank you for reminding me of who I really am?
Okay I guess not.

posted October 21, 2013 05:55 AM            

"Yes, my Uranus sextile his Venus, his Uranus trine my Venus..."
Nice. Stimulating.
I am curious do you have the square in the composite?

Mercury probably helps with it, to be able to talk it out. and not actually move out on a whim.

"exactly like that mannequin sculpture."
Aww, I love these stories.
They seem to happen more often than I would have thought.

Well when I as about 12 years old, I was drawing the face of a man; just in my case it was Jude Law`s face how he would look in "Cold Mountain", only that this had been like 20 years after I made that sketch.
Don`t ask me why. It just gave me a bit of a shock when seeing the film and realizing that. LOL

"my Mars is conjunct Rigel"
My Karma is nearby on 16 Gemini.

"he fact that he'll never be the way I want in some respects, and rather than trying to pressure him to conform, to save myself a bunch of hassle I just have to drop my expectations altogether and find other things in the relationship to focus on and be grateful for."
Yes. best way to deal with relationships.
Oh and the ONLY way to deal with Uranus-synastry if you want to make it last.

posted October 21, 2013 06:12 AM            

I find it also so funny, how my Sun is conjunct his Moon, but the dispositors of ourSuns and his Moon (Jupiter) are exactly opposite.

"I'm preferential towards Sag-Pisces synastry,"
I like Sag-Pisces-synastry, too.
Also his Pisces ASC is exactly conjunct my Draconic ASC and Draconic Mars.

his ASC-ruler is in my ASC-sign; my ASC-ruler is in his ASC-sign - interesting interchange there.

"Do you feel that he has a healing effect on you?"
Yes, definitely.

And at the same time he shakes me out of my comfort zone, which I so despearately need, too.

"like the single most binding aspect a couple can have. I've seen it with couples before. Do you think that he, Saturn, feels bound to you? Seems like you feel bound to him =)"
well, probably if we had really contact.

But as for Saturn-Sun, I seem to be drawn to it, so for me it is a binding aspect yes.
Of course there comes the feeling to have to be "more than I am", but to my surprise I have realized that I AM more than I always thought I was. THat was an interesting insight. Seems I have been pulling my limits a little too tight.

My best friend also showed me that, that I am capable of more than I thought I could. She di not even verbalize it, it was just something she took for granted and did not doubt. lol
Her Saturn is opposite my Moon, while my Saturn squares her Moon.
Also her Moon is conjunct my Draconic Sun in Aries. It was like she could see something in me that I asn`t aware of, but then realized that she was actually right, it WAS part of me underneath, I just wasn`t aware of it.

Mr Sag has a similiar influence on me, though in a very different way.

But we have rather insane DRaconic synastry, too.
It seems he is activating my Pluto big time.

with his Venus being conjunct my DRaco Pluto and his Draco IC on my Draco Pluto and his Draco Sun, Moon and tropical Juno opposite my Draco Pluto, while his Draco Mars-Jupiter-Amor-conjunction opposes and his Draco Eros conjuncts my natal Pluto.

his DESC-SAturn-Vertex-Aphrodite opposite my Draco Mars and Draco ASC.
Well with both my Draco Mars and Draco Pluto activated I guess it is a lot about finding my inner strength, power, energy, passion, whatever. Well, it looks dark (his Draco Saturn is also conjunct my Draco Venus exactly, and hsi tropical Saturn on my Draco DESC exact) and heavy, but I actually like it. lol

"I'm no BML expert...what do you make of this? The BML opposition looks most intense to me, like holy cow."
I find BML very important, and yes, it is most intense. At least for me it is.
And in a way it makes sense, being a performer he has his BML in Leo. lol

"Do you miss him intensely when he's not around?"
Yes, and I don`t understand how that can happen. As well we are not in actual contact (though sometimes it feels like on some level we are, but maybe I am just talking too much about him on here. lol).
But being in his presence is very uplifting and energizing, and when I am not, it feels like air being left out of a balloon sometimes.

" your Jupiter in his 12H means that you play into his spirituality in a big, yet hidden way?"
I don´t know how he experiences it, but for me it would be true.

"His Mars-Jupiter squaring your nodal axis sounds like he would spur you along..or even represent a critical point in your self-development?"
Yes, definitely.
And it is so energizing. Sometimes a little crazy though. lol

"I'm trying to think...so is he a Horse? And you're a Tiger? Sounds good! =)"
No he is a Sheep.

But I can`t really identify with being a Tiger anyway.

"Happy birthday to your Uranus, btw. "
LOL
Thank you.
Never really payed attention to it, but you are right.

posted October 21, 2013 08:05 AM            

his Ceres (7°02 Aries):
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square my Venus (6.07 Cap)
trine my ASC (7°01 Sag)
trine my Lust (7°43 Sag)
trine my Angel (7.31 Sag)

his Pallas (24.20 Aqua) and his Psyche (25.13 Aqua)
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sextile my Mercury (25.02 Sag)
conjunct my Psyche (24.02 Aqua)

his Juno (27.39 Cancer)
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trine my Valentine (27.32 Scorpio)

his Amor (9.03 Virgo)
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square my Neptune (9.56 Sag)
opposite m Ceres (9.37 Pisces)
quinkunx my Pallas (9.10 Aqua)

his Valentine (19.35 Scorpio)
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conjunct my Anteros (19.27 Scorpio)
(trine my Eros on 20.59 Cancer)
square my cupido (19.54 Leo)

his Eros (8.20 Pisces)
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quinkunx my Pluto (9.05 Libra)
(conj. my Ceres on 9.37 Pisces)
square my Lust (7.43 Sag)
square my Angel (7.31 Sag)
(square my ASC 7.01 Sag)

his Sappho (13.29 Aquarius)
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trine my Aphrodite (13.01 LIbra)

his Lust (6.21 Scorpio) and his Angel (6.49 Scorpio)
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sextile my Venus (6.07 Cap)

his Saturn (26.42 Virgo)
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sextile my Valentine (27.32 Scorpio)

his Uranus (23.24 Scorpio)
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square my Psyche (24.02 Aquarius)

his Neptune (20.27 SAg) and his Cupido (21.39 Sag)
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trine my Chiron (20.02 Aries)
quinkunx my Vertex (21.28 Cancer)
quinkunx my Eros (20.59 Cancer)
sextile my Sappho (22.06 Libra)

his Pluto (21.23 Libra) and his Anteros (22.20 Libra)
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conjunct my Sappho (22.06 Libra)
square my Vertex (21.28 Cancer)
square my Eros (20.59 Cancer)

posted October 21, 2013 08:11 AM            

"Then look to see where your Anteros is located, and consider that its meaning stems from the idea of returning love, love reciprocated. This is not ‘how’ you love; how you love is complicated. But it might show the type of person you respond to (rather than the one you think you want), and the way in which you will reciprocate if someone shoots his arrows at you."
http://beyondthestarsastrology.wordpress.com/2012 /09/10/ancient-greece-and-the-asteroids-of-passionate-love-eros-and-anteros/

This is in tune with my own interpretation of some years ago, that Anteros is the place where you will reciprocrate IF someone else makes a move on you. But it will be a Re-action rather than taking the intitiative.

posted October 21, 2013 06:36 PM            

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Anyway, it`s the effect he has on me that is the important thing, not what actually happens.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I just wished he would sometimes stay on stage and not decide to spend much of the concert time while standing right beside me. Obviously he thinks it is a good place to perform from; and it doesn`t really seem to matter where I am sitting. He always ends up there.

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! So what's going on? He's gotta feel something to always gravitate towards you like that. Are you friends...you talk?

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
And if he could please stop looking at me like that, like there were things being left unsaid.

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omg omg omg =)

I'm wondering if you work in a concert hall?

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
But no, we do not know each other, though rom the very first time he felt so familiar like I have always known him, or known him before, and lost contact. It was strange.

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Yes...I've known that feeling before, I think, or something similar (of course there's no way to say for sure!)

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
So in a way he reminds me a lot of that phase of my childhood, very serene and peaceful, and going there for a concert or so, always feels like coming home.

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Not quoting your entire post but I love this story.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
But yea I understand anyone who would point out what kind of delusional I am.

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Who hasn't had a celebrity crush? I watched parts of the movie Pride and Prejudice with Colin Firth practically every day for a year. A friend asked, laughing, "What on earth are you doing that for?" I said, "I don't know, it's like I'm trying to fine tune my heart." Colin's sun and moon form a grand trine with my sun, which is cozily conjunct his Saturn. I just needed to spend some time with him, ok, people? =)

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
But it was like by looking into his eyes,i realized who I was, or let`s say, the core Me, that I had pushed down for quite some time. I did not even know she was still insid of me.

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Aww...this is better than a romance novel! But I can relate, I've had that feeling before...someone holds a mirror up to you, it's like you see yourself in them so clearly, you can see your actual self better than you could without them. God it sucks when you're married and can't do anything about it though.

Sorry did I just SAY that??? lol

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I have gotten so Saturnian/ Capricornian that I sometimes forget the goofy side of my Sagittarius, and I guess he reminded me of that, that this is a part of me, too.

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For what it's worth, you have always seemed Sag to me, with a dash of Cap. Even if you don't feel Sag, you exude it. =) And I mean that as a compliment.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Think I should send him a Thank-you-note? Like just saying: Thank you for reminding me of who I really am?
Okay I guess not.

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Funny thing is...I'll bet he would love it. How often do people get notes like that?