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Ami Anne
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posted October 26, 2013 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought you might like this-- my most recent article on Echo


Echo lost her voice.In modern times, we would say that she doesn’t express her opinion until she scans the room to see if it is acceptable. She has been like this since she was a child. She had a voice once, as most children do. Now, she is a shell. She blends into her surroundings like the girls at the party who are all dressed the same.

The modern day Echo would say the right things. She may be in pearls and a sweater set. She may be tattooed. It doesn’t matter the externals. Echo is internal. One’s voice can be lost on the back of a motorcycle or in the backseat of a Rolls.

The modern day Echo would probably go to a shrink and tell him that she felt empty. She has tried all the men, the possessions the highs. They left her bland and lifeless.. The shrink would, probably, give her a drug. He would call it depression. However, it is not depression. It is voicelessness. No drugs will cure it. Finding one’s true voice is the answer.

A prominent Echo would be conjunct the ASC, Moon or Sun. Secondly, a prominent Echo would be conjunct Mercury, Mars,Venus, Saturn, Jupiter or the North Node. If you have a prominent Echo, her story will touch you. That is how you know.

Echo’s paired asteroid is Narcissus. I have not watched the synastries to see if these attract each other in the manner of Nessus and Dejanira. It seems as though they might. I have seen the Echo/Narcissus theme in parent/child synastry, though, with disasterous consequences.

Echo should learn to sing. Singing means to throw out one’s soul and make it naked for all to see. If one does not do this, one’s song will be bland like white rice cooked too long until it becomes mush.

Echo needs to find someone to teach her to sing. This needs to be someone she trusts because her attempts will be hard and embarrassing. However, love cures most everything. Echo’s voice is no exception.

When she can sing, she will find that she had a voice and it was her own. That will be a shining moment for her and the day she will no longer be Echo.

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posted August 22, 2015 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

I have a client that I am providing therapy to who is extremely shy and her voice freezes on an ongoing basis, she is only able to express herself with ease with her immediate family such as her siblings and parents.

You can even see her mouth tightening often when you ask her a question to get her to open up and practice expressing herself.

I saw this thread a while a go and checked her chart.

Her ECHO squares her EROS by 0d45.
Her VENUS conjuncts her DEJANIRA by 3d.
Her SUN conjuncts her DEJANIRA by 3d27.
Her SUN opposes her NARCISSUS by 2d18.

These are two aspects I have noticed so far that I feel could explain this struggle for her. If I find anything else that can explain this I will add to this thread.

Interestingly, I find that I have a lot of southnode or northnode contacts with a lot clients of mine that I treat. For example, Her southnode conjuncts exact my Venus-karma and my Sidereal northnode conjuncts exact her Sun.

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posted August 22, 2015 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stick up her chart. I am feeling it is something else, as well.

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posted August 22, 2015 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Birth Time Unknown:

Well I am seeing that Dejanira squares her Southnode and conjuncts her Sun and Venus, further her Dejanira seems to be in the midpoint of her Sun and Venus. Her Chiron conjuncts her northnode so it seems she is here to heal that dejanira square southnode.

My Ceres conjuncts her Nessus
My BML conjuncts her Chiron
My amor conjuncts her Echo

Hopefully I can help her find her voice at least get her closer to that as she is very young and empower her, we shall see..

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posted August 22, 2015 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Birth time unknown. I was think that she had Saturn or Chiron in the 3rd. Do you want to try to see if we can figure out her ASC?

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posted August 22, 2015 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will try to find that out when I see her this week.

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posted August 22, 2015 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is interesting.

I've got ECHO 0º15 square TISIPHONE. Those for whom I most seek vengeance are the ones whose voices have been silenced in some way.

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posted August 22, 2015 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
This is interesting.

I've got ECHO 0º15 square TISIPHONE. Those for whom I most seek vengeance are the ones whose voices have been silenced in some way.


That makes a lot of sense..

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posted August 22, 2015 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
See if you can find out, H. This is what I find with asteroids. IF she is a strong Echo, it will, usually, be conjunct a planet, not another asteroid. This goes for all asteroids, as a general rule. They could be conjunct an angle too, such as the ASC but asteroid conj asteroid is not as strong or important ime

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posted August 22, 2015 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
See if you can find out, H. This is what I find with asteroids. IF she is a strong Echo, it will, usually, be conjunct a planet, not another asteroid. This goes for all asteroids, as a general rule. They could be conjunct an angle too, such as the ASC but asteroid conj asteroid is not as strong or important ime


I agree with what you are saying, IME an asteroid conjunct the luminaries followed by Angles and then planets really makes the energy of that asteroid manifest and I find that transits have a similar effect; it activates that energy and brings it out resulting in its manifestation. Asteroid to asteroid alone I am not convinced is strong enough...

I am thinking that perhaps she has ECHO or EROS at an angle.. Or a transit is hitting that...She is a kid so come to think of it TRANSIT NEPTUNE which is currently Retro has been conjuncting her natal ECHO and squaring her natal EROS probably all or most of her life...

Transit Neptune on her ECHO could explain this come to think of it so that is good news as Transit Neptune continues to separate from her ECHO it should get easier for her to find her voice but her DEJANIRA is definitely something that will need to be addressed even if she becomes more verbal and expressive as it would affect her assertiveness and probably attract the Nessus type once she grows up or someone who wants to protect her, she really seems like a beautiful delicate flower but I can tell she has a lot of inner strength even though she doesn't realize it yet and she is blessed with a very supportive family.

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posted August 22, 2015 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't watch transits. I don't want to feel "fated" to have a bad time or good time lol I like to study the natal and synastry. Do you think transits are that powerful that they can almost mimic the natal aspects, if you know what I mean. For example, will a Transit Eros conj the ASC be as strong as a natal one?

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posted August 22, 2015 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't watch transits. I don't want to feel "fated" to have a bad time or good time lol I like to study the natal and synastry. Do you think transits are that powerful that they can almost mimic the natal aspects, if you know what I mean. For example, will a Transit Eros conj the ASC be as strong as a natal one?


I feel what you are saying about the transits. I personally dont like to check transits bc it does create expectation and that expectation can get in the way in a sense. I find it more refreshing to loook at transits after something has happened and then see how it manifested.

Like lets say I haven't been feeling great and thinking too much about the past so I then go check the transits and notice that transit chiron is on my moon or transit orpheus is on my moon. I would then conclude the transits are pushing me to process, heal and let go.

Or something really bad happens and I check the transits for it a year or two later and noticed that Dejanira and Nessus were a huge part via transit of that dreaded day.

As for your question about natal aspects been similar to transit-natal aspects that is a good question indeed, I want to think about it more before I answer.

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posted August 22, 2015 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 7th house aries Echo is exact opposed my Pluto....conjunct my Jupiter by 3 degrees...
She trines my Neptune exact also....

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posted August 23, 2015 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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My 7th house aries Echo is exact opposed my Pluto....conjunct my Jupiter by 3 degrees...
She trines my Neptune exact also....

Echo in hard aspect to pluto could represent your struggle to talk about your hx of abuse and been silenced for a long time, feeling you can't talk about it but I also see that your Echo conjunct jupiter and trine neptune maybe is a strength like when it comes to spirituality you are able to express yourself with ease, I say this bc you express yourself very eloquently in here and with strength and conviction, I suppose that could be your mars in gemini.

Or do you feel that conjunction to jupiter trine neptune drowns your voice and you have had to fight it??

How do you feel all this aspects play out in your story or life?

I am wondering if hard aspects versus soft aspects or a conjunction to Jupiter would change the tone of the interpretation since Jupiter is a planet of expansion yes but also associated with personal growth and good fortune.

Perhaps that conjunction to JUPITER represents that you eventually overcome and release that ECHO opposite Pluto karma. Jupiter is associated with release. Perhaps you used spirituality to find your voice and that is what that conjunction to Jupiter means.

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posted August 23, 2015 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice to hear your voice Gabby btw! I missed you, you always bring this loving energy with you everywhere you enter.

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posted August 23, 2015 05:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't watch transits. I don't want to feel "fated" to have a bad time or good time lol I like to study the natal and synastry. Do you think transits are that powerful that they can almost mimic the natal aspects, if you know what I mean. For example, will a Transit Eros conj the ASC be as strong as a natal one?



Its funny you say that bc I just came across a thread about Moira and you have it conjunct your Sun. I think to myself my whole life feels pretty fated and I go check my Moira and is conjunct my Sun and Horus under 1 degree.

When I met my ex Transit Moira was conjuncting our composite stellium Endymion-Psyche-Selene and conjuncting exact my natal Priapus and his natal Isis.

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posted August 23, 2015 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know some of the asteroids you referenced. What do you mean, H?

Moira is fate. Right?

I feel I have a very, very fated life and always have.

I could tell you story after story of people who came to me, exactly when I needed it.

I had to get away from home and I had a whole guardian angel experience that allowed me to go away to college I wanted, far away from home.

It goes on and on. Bless God. I don't want to jinx it


PS Just kidding. God doesn't work with jinxes lol

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posted August 23, 2015 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Echo in hard aspect to pluto could represent your struggle to talk about your hx of abuse and been silenced for a long time, feeling you can't talk about it but I also see that your Echo conjunct jupiter and trine neptune maybe is a strength like when it comes to spirituality you are able to express yourself with ease, I say this bc you express yourself very eloquently in here and with strength and conviction, I suppose that could be your mars in gemini.

Or do you feel that conjunction to jupiter trine neptune drowns your voice and you have had to fight it??

How do you feel all this aspects play out in your story or life?

I am wondering if hard aspects versus soft aspects or a conjunction to Jupiter would change the tone of the interpretation since Jupiter is a planet of expansion yes but also associated with personal growth and good fortune.

Perhaps that conjunction to JUPITER represents that you eventually overcome and release that ECHO opposite Pluto karma. Jupiter is associated with release. Perhaps you used spirituality to find your voice and that is what that conjunction to Jupiter means.


Amazing interpretation, it's spot on! I do think Jupiter shows the ability to one day overcome the obstacles surrounding my ability to have my own voice and be heard for my beliefs! The squares would be more stifling in my opinion...the opposition means I need to find a balance with the energy that's there...the square means I need to find an entirely new way to express that energy, to me the square is much harder to work with. It's like the opposition you have the objects you need you just have to figure out how to make them work together. The square means you have to reinvent a new object out of the 2 objects you have because those objects are not comparable at all.


How did these aspects play out in my life??
I was silenced from expressing my truest self until around 25 when the fear of being abandoned by my family and being killed by God because I didn't believe the way my family had taught me to believe finally lifted. I finally saw their beliefs were destructive when my son almost lost his life due to what they believed and forced on me and my son.
It took some time and a lot of pulling my guts out and re-evaluating what I'd learned. Then opening up to re-teaching myself everything, esp a new foundation of beliefs. I had to allow myself to start searching for my own beliefs.

I don't think Jupiter would be the culprit for my voice being drowned but the aspects I have imo, led to me having a hard time in finding my Jupiter...my inspiration, my purification, my true spirituality(elevated even higher with Jupiter trine Neptune) since Pluto is exact sextile Neptune while it opposes Echo...I think that says I absolutely would overcome that opposition and find my voice eventually.

I do think Jupiter was hidden for a long time! This let Echo opposed Pluto rule, it's the tighter aspect...plus Jupiter aries@15, Chiron aries@24.14, Vertex aries@21.23

That Vertex/Chiron meant pain was karmically coming to me to be worked through and until I did that..Jupiter would be hidden. That's why it took so long to find my way through all the confusion and find my voice.

My Valentine/Eros cap@9.00/9.50/IC cap@8....square aries Echo/libra Pluto....I will be reinventing the wheel with this square aspect!! I'm still working on it!

Echo aries@10.25 is on my DC aries@7.05
Pluto libra@11.02 on my AC libra@7.05
As I find my personal identity and power and I will find my voice in relationships also...I'm still working on this but seeing much improvement. Add in IC/Valentine/Eros.
I guess these are the outlet for the opposition, not sure exactly what direction to go in interpreting this?

I have a really cool kite all around Echo/Pluto/Neptune/Jupiter....

Nemesis saggy@10.57
Neptune saggy@11.15
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Atropos gemini@10.39
Kronos gemini@11.11
Ceres gemini@9.23
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Anubis aries@9.37
Echo aries@10.25
Charkilo aries@11.22
Jupiter aries@15.03
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Einstein libra@10.48
Pluto libra@11.02
Discovery libra@11.37
Deprez libra@11.26
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Reiki aqua@10.42
Amend aqua@11.31
Spirit aqua@12.08

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posted August 23, 2015 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Nice to hear your voice Gabby btw! I missed you, you always bring this loving energy with you everywhere you enter.

Awe, thank you! Funny, I always look for your threads because I find them so interesting and inspiring. I'm so happy you feel that I give something back to you for all you give to me and others!

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Amazing interpretation, it's spot on! I do think Jupiter shows the ability to one day overcome the obstacles surrounding my ability to have my own voice and be heard for my beliefs! The squares would be more stifling in my opinion...the opposition means I need to find a balance with the energy that's there...the square means I need to find an entirely new way to express that energy, to me the square is much harder to work with. It's like the opposition you have the objects you need you just have to figure out how to make them work together. The square means you have to reinvent a new object out of the 2 objects you have because those objects are not comparable at all.


How did these aspects play out in my life??
I was silenced from expressing my truest self until around 25 when the fear of being abandoned by my family and being killed by God because I didn't believe the way my family had taught me to believe finally lifted. I finally saw their beliefs were destructive when my son almost lost his life due to what they believed and forced on me and my son.
It took some time and a lot of pulling my guts out and re-evaluating what I'd learned. Then opening up to re-teaching myself everything, esp a new foundation of beliefs. I had to allow myself to start searching for my own beliefs.

I don't think Jupiter would be the culprit for my voice being drowned but the aspects I have imo, led to me having a hard time in finding my Jupiter...my inspiration, my purification, my true spirituality(elevated even higher with Jupiter trine Neptune) since Pluto is exact sextile Neptune while it opposes Echo...I think that says I absolutely would overcome that opposition and find my voice eventually.

I do think Jupiter was hidden for a long time! This let Echo opposed Pluto rule, it's the tighter aspect...plus Jupiter aries@15, Chiron aries@24.14, Vertex aries@21.23

That Vertex/Chiron meant pain was karmically coming to me to be worked through and until I did that..Jupiter would be hidden. That's why it took so long to find my way through all the confusion and find my voice.

My Valentine/Eros cap@9.00/9.50/IC cap@8....square aries Echo/libra Pluto....I will be reinventing the wheel with this square aspect!! I'm still working on it!

Echo aries@10.25 is on my DC aries@7.05
Pluto libra@11.02 on my AC libra@7.05
As I find my personal identity and power and I will find my voice in relationships also...I'm still working on this but seeing much improvement. Add in IC/Valentine/Eros.
I guess these are the outlet for the opposition, not sure exactly what direction to go in interpreting this?

I have a really cool kite all around Echo/Pluto/Neptune/Jupiter....

Nemesis saggy@10.57
Neptune saggy@11.15
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Atropos gemini@10.39
Kronos gemini@11.11
Ceres gemini@9.23
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Anubis aries@9.37
Echo aries@10.25
Charkilo aries@11.22
Jupiter aries@15.03
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Einstein libra@10.48
Pluto libra@11.02
Discovery libra@11.37
Deprez libra@11.26
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Reiki aqua@10.42
Amend aqua@11.31
Spirit aqua@12.08


Very powerful story Gabby, thank you for sharing part of your story with me. Its very impressive how you set your self free from an oppressive religion and were able to find yourself as a result of this and turn into a spirituality you feel free in and unconditionally loved in allowing you to find your voice, that is a very powerful liberating experience!

I can relate to some extent to that, I too started to find myself after putting religion behind me, that was a turning point and the beginning of true self discovery.

That is a pretty cool kite but what gets my attention is the TSQUARE between ECHO-CHARILKO opposite PLUTO both squaring your Valentine-EROS-IC in Capricorn; that is a beautiful tsquare, a TSQUARE of healing and empowerment. I feel Valentine-Eros is the key for you channeling that wound or the final result of you healing your ECHO wound which will most definitely be healed with Charilko there. I know you have Valentine-Eros on the IC and you said that feeling your son was in danger was the turning point for you to leave that environment and start the healing process of you finding your voice.

I could see you possibly making a career out of advocating for children who are abused and can't advocate for themselves; that would be another amazing way of that tsquare manifesting itself. Think about it Cap which rules career is there and that Valentine-Eros is at the apex of that painful yet beautiful tsquare.

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posted August 23, 2015 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Awe, thank you! Funny, I always look for your threads because I find them so interesting and inspiring. I'm so happy you feel that I give something back to you for all you give to me and others!

Wow that truly touched my heart and means a lot, I love your threads too and believe me you give a lot, its in your nature and you can't help it. I am thinking that Valentine-Eros on the IC is part of why you are this way, the love overflows out of you.

Look into becoming an advocate or a guardian..


^Reminds me of your Eros-Valentine Tsquare.


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Very powerful story Gabby, thank you for sharing part of your story with me. Its very impressive how you set your self free from an oppressive religion and were able to find yourself as a result of this and turn into a spirituality you feel free in and unconditionally loved in allowing you to find your voice, that is a very powerful liberating experience!

I can relate to some extent to that, I too started to find myself after putting religion behind me, that was a turning point and the beginning of true self discovery.

That is a pretty cool kite but what gets my attention is the TSQUARE between ECHO-CHARILKO opposite PLUTO both squaring your Valentine-EROS-IC in Capricorn; that is a beautiful tsquare, a TSQUARE of healing and empowerment. I feel Valentine-Eros is the key for you channeling that wound or the final result of you healing your ECHO wound which will most definitely be healed with Charilko there. I know you have Valentine-Eros on the IC and you said that feeling your son was in danger was the turning point for you to leave that environment and start the healing process of you finding your voice.

I could see you possibly making a career out of advocating for children who are abused and can't advocate for themselves; that would be another amazing way of that tsquare manifesting itself. Think about it Cap which rules career is there and that Valentine-Eros is at the apex of that painful yet beautiful tsquare.


Thank you so much!! Sometimes I feel bad because I seem to only be able to answer a few questions for ppl, esp if they are deep...then I have to step back and rejuvenate. I guess I've never thought about the amount of energy I invest in an answer...I do feel so much when I respond and maybe it's that investment that wears me out at times. Lol...ugh!! My 12th house Virgo moon is easily drowned in emotions!

Can you tell me some about your story...you can make any other thread if you'd like and we can look at aspects that you feel contributed to this, I'm sure Neptune n Jupiter will always be involved in some way...plus potentially IC if your family religion. Or 9th house, my
Mars is in my 9th. I believe the house that holds your Mars is the house that holds the fight of your life!
It would be interesting to see what commonalities we have that contributed to losing our voice through religion and being indoctrinated into an something that hurt us.

Funny asteroid Christian/Child/Dejanira are all conjunct my unaspected Moon in 12th. Isolating me emotionally as a child through religion left me vulnerable and lost!

Being an advocate for children would make me so happy! Right now I'm an advocate for my children, and I'm still fighting to help them to feel free from the religious pain their dad tries to force on them. But they are almost grown now and they know those beliefs are not the only option, God loves them no matter what!

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Wow that truly touched my heart and means a lot, I love your threads too and believe me you give a lot, its in your nature and you can't help it. I am thinking that Valentine-Eros on the IC is part of why you are this way, the love overflows out of you.

Look into becoming an advocate or a guardian..


^Reminds me of your Eros-Valentine Tsquare.


Wow! These are beyond beautiful, thank you so much!! I've never been fond of my lil t-square there but your making me see it in a new light. Thank you so much Hypatia! ☺️😊💞 💖💞

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Thank you so much!! Sometimes I feel bad because I seem to only be able to answer a few questions for ppl, esp if they are deep...then I have to step back and rejuvenate. I guess I've never thought about the amount of energy I invest in an answer...I do feel so much when I respond and maybe it's that investment that wears me out at times. Lol...ugh!! My 12th house Virgo moon is easily drowned in emotions!

That is what I like about you though, when you answer something you answer it usually in depth, you put your heart into it and give it 100%. Naturally this means you can't answer everything, that would be too draining. I did not know your moon in virgo was in the 12th. I get easily drained myself and need a lot of alone time to recharge. It makes so much sense that your moon is in virgo in the 12th; it has to be very similar to my moon in pisces opposite Sun in virgo in some key ways and that tendency to give a lot, feel drained and disappear into recharge mode.

I feel these are the aspects that explain the religion thing for me: I do have Sun and Mercury in the 9th house intercepted. Mercury is retro and my Sun squares Vesta in gemini and Neptune in Sag. It would make sense that my spirituality would be very unique and offbeat and that the norm dictated by my culture in that area would clash with me and lead to me questioning it a lot and that I would end up with someone with similar inclination since mercury is in my 9th but rules my 7th.

I have sun-horus-moira opposite Moon forming a grandcross with Neptune-Morpheus-Lachesis-Pyramus-AC opposite Vesta-DC.

I feel making people feel that they have to follow a certain religion to be promised salvation and not go to hell or using guilt to manipulate others to feel they owe god something or must follow a certain path to be loved or else is oppressive and fear based and yes a type of trauma bonding in a way. I also see that people NEED this structure to feel safe and get that sense of belongingness and community and see why people find it beneficial to be a part of this type of indoctrination/religion.

Everyone is were they need to be I suppose but if your instincts are calling you to evolve and break away from something its a good thing to have the courage to do so and you and I are examples of that!

There are a lot of reasons why I left religion, I have never liked Abraham's story of god asking him to kill his only son to prove his faith for starters, I have a big problem with that story. Also religion made me feel that I couldn't be into astrology/mediation/yoga etc and that I had to choose either or giving me an ultimatum and I don't like an ideology to decide for me what is right or wrong, I like to decide that for myself and follow my instincts.

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Originally posted by Gabby:

Being an advocate for children would make me so happy! Right now I'm an advocate for my children, and I'm still fighting to help them to feel free from the religious pain their dad tries to force on them. But they are almost grown now and they know those beliefs are not the only option, God loves them no matter what!

You are an amazing Mother! Thank you for that, for fighting and advocating for your children!!. Since in the big scheme of things we are all a family by you doing that for your children you are uplifting us all in a way as well.

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