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olgatheo
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posted November 12, 2013 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for olgatheo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know she is a heroine and seeks justice, but what is her real meaning and especially in signs- Mine's in Leo and in the 3rd , I am very protective of children their rights and education.
I have it conj. Saturn, exactly tri. Eros( sag) 7th and exactly sex. to my Gemini Moon in 1st.

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posted November 12, 2013 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That makes sense ^^

I have Elektra conjunct my 8H Pisces moon, which rules my 12H.

I pretty much want everyone to be protected but I see that not everyone can, that's where justice comes into play: making sure the innocent are spared and the aggressors are contained/punished/rehabilitated.

Pluto (8H influence) can be rather extreme in finding justice, but my Pisces moon being there sort of diffuses everything into ambivalence/confusion. I don't have any answers for humanity in general, I realize that I can only deal with my immediate environment, moment to moment. I guess Pisces just realizes everything is in flux and right on the verge of disappearing...even the "evil" impulses that make people commit heinous crimes can just evaporate and leave the person basically harmless afterwards.

This is why, I suppose my idea of justice is linked to compassion, and I can see myself volunteering in the prison system in my later years, when I have more time. I just don't see people as "good" or "bad" according to verdicts...I see everyone in flux.

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I don't know about the asteroid, but as a character, Elektra is a figure of revenge who killed her mother to avenge her father.
She doesn't just seek justice, she obtains it by her own hand putting herself above all laws (laws of nature, laws of men).
I don't think she has anything to do with protecting the weak or the younger ones.

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posted November 12, 2013 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting. I don't know this one!

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posted November 13, 2013 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for olgatheo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by dadoo:
I don't know about the asteroid, but as a character, Elektra is a figure of revenge who killed her mother to avenge her father.
She doesn't just seek justice, she obtains it by her own hand putting herself above all laws (laws of nature, laws of men).
I don't think she has anything to do with protecting the weak or the younger ones.


From the mythology I know she has no boundaries and does what she wants, just stated from my natal Elektra in Leo , she would manifest more for children/creativity and love.

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posted November 13, 2013 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for olgatheo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
That makes sense ^^

I have Elektra conjunct my 8H Pisces moon, which rules my 12H.

I pretty much want everyone to be protected but I see that not everyone can, that's where justice comes into play: making sure the innocent are spared and the aggressors are contained/punished/rehabilitated.

Pluto (8H influence) can be rather extreme in finding justice, but my Pisces moon being there sort of diffuses everything into ambivalence/confusion. I don't have any answers for humanity in general, I realize that I can only deal with my immediate environment, moment to moment. I guess Pisces just realizes everything is in flux and right on the verge of disappearing...even the "evil" impulses that make people commit heinous crimes can just evaporate and leave the person basically harmless afterwards.

This is why, I suppose my idea of justice is linked to compassion, and I can see myself volunteering in the prison system in my later years, when I have more time. I just don't see people as "good" or "bad" according to verdicts...I see everyone in flux.


Thank you FAITH , that makes sense...as in Pisces, does it manifest too for the protection of anything associated with the Oceans/ it animals, medicine esp. for children & elders???

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posted November 13, 2013 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ive been learning about Elektra since she relates to the asteroid Ophelia ive been researching....Ophelia goes mad in her madness she becomes Elektra....a heroine, revolting against the oppression of women.

This link helped me to understand Elektra's myth and what she stands for.....http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=13364

This is some of whats there, i edited it for things pertaining to Elektra only..

Elektra 2000

Jill Scotts book analyzes key dramatic, literary, and musical adaptations of Electra in works by Hugo von Hofmannsthal, Richard Strauss, Heiner Müller, Robert Musil, Hilda Doolittle (H.D.), and Sylvia Plath.

She uncovers the heroine's role in engendering new configurations of gender, sexuality, and subjectivity at the vicissitudes of death, hysteria, and mourning.
Electra embodies dangerous ambiguity, sheer unpredictability, and unbridled sexuality, she is able to question--and subvert--dominant representations of women through her experimentations of radical femininity.
Her capacity for anger and hatred, but also love and understanding never reduces Electra to an absolute archetype, but rather a feminine character able to be many things all within one: aggressor, mourner, survivor, and victim.

Scotts References-
Austrian author Hugo von Hofmannsthal's play Elektra (1903).
For Hofmannsthal, Electra is a powerful female protagonist, whose sexuality challenges the restrictive social codes of diseased and morbid women in fin-de-siècle Europe.

Strauss's sonoric manipulation of the waltz leitmotiv alternates between moments of ironic playfulness and deadly seriousness to move Electra ultimately beyond accusations of hysteria to revelations of utter sanity in her Totentanz.

Heiner Müller's, Hamletmaschine (1977), combines the myth of Oedipus and Electra with the story of Hamlet and Ophelia. Unlike Hamlet's neurotic indecisiveness and Ophelia's maudlin self-pity, Electra's striking self-confidence allows her to transcend an unjust world by enduring self-destruction, pain, and cruelty "with elegant poise"

In H.D.'s poem, "A Dead Priestess Speaks" Electra banishes the hatred and violence associated with Oedipus to engage a "feminine politics of renewal" that is characterized by beauty, hope, and peace (p. 139).

In the Plath's poem-"Daddy" (1966), the narrative voice assumes an Electra-like persona that uses language's multi-referentiality to mourn and work through the loss of the dead father.

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posted November 13, 2013 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To me she is a figure that fights for whats right, she uses unorthodox ways, her sexuality, anger, love....in general she uses her femininity as power to provoke change, not exactly socially acceptable in her ways of doing things, she shocks people out of their complacency and opens the door for change.

She isnt a typical woman, she sees the power in being a woman during a time period that being a woman meant you were inferior and had to be in subjection to man.
She uses her sexuality and intelligence as a way to be opportunistic for good cause and change.

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posted November 13, 2013 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(171) Ophelia
(130)Elektra
Ophelia-the name itself means, "help or helper"
Elektra-mythological heroine of logic and revenge

Very karmic for people who have been hurt and in need of help, dont get it and instead help themselves by turning their pain around and becoming empowered to help others, sound a bit like Chiron's story!

Her meanings as Ophelia...
Female despair and madness
Tragic undoing caused from oppression
Maddening endurance
Innocence gone mad
Duty to the point of losing yourself; driving one to insanity

Ophelia turns into Elektra(Ophelia is driven to madness, and in her madness becomes the heroine, Elektra)

As Elekra her qualities...
Demolishing the instruments used for her captivity
Exposing truth behind oppression, revolutionary gestures against those who cause oppression
Disowning your weakness and taking on a new empowered role

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posted November 13, 2013 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for olgatheo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
To me she is a figure that fights for whats right, she uses unorthodox ways, her sexuality, anger, love....in general she uses her femininity as power to provoke change, not exactly socially acceptable in her ways of doing things, she shocks people out of their complacency and opens the door for change.

She isnt a typical woman, she sees the power in being a woman during a time period that being a woman meant you were inferior and had to be in subjection to man.
She uses her sexuality and intelligence as a way to be opportunistic for good cause and change.



Funny enough my Elektra is conj. to Ophelia, but my Saturn is conj. Elektra...I am a very strong individual , if someone tried to bully me( physically or verbally) , I fought back or totally ignored them.Even with my a teacher once when I was 7 years old she made a rude comment about my nationality and I answered back, she then hit me, I packed up my belongings and walked out the class room and the school.

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posted November 13, 2013 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Ophelia is taurus@2.50 -7th
Saturn leo@2.50 -10th
Uranus scorpio@4.44 -2nd

Elektra pisces@5.18 -5th
Sun saggy@4.28 -2nd
Uranus scorpio@4.44 -2nd

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posted November 13, 2013 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for olgatheo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Ive been learning about Elektra since she relates to the asteroid Ophelia ive been researching....Ophelia goes mad in her madness she becomes Elektra....a heroine, revolting against the oppression of women.

This link helped me to understand Elektra's myth and what she stands for..net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=13364]http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=13364[/URL]

This is some of whats there, i edited it for things pertaining to Elektra only..

Elektra 2000

Jill Scotts book analyzes key dramatic, literary, and musical adaptations of Electra in works by Hugo von Hofmannsthal, Richard Strauss, Heiner Müller, Robert Musil, Hilda Doolittle (H.D.), and Sylvia Plath.

She uncovers the heroine's role in engendering new configurations of gender, sexuality, and subjectivity at the vicissitudes of death, hysteria, and mourning.
Electra embodies dangerous ambiguity, sheer unpredictability, and unbridled sexuality, she is able to question--and subvert--dominant representations of women through her experimentations of radical femininity.
Her capacity for anger and hatred, but also love and understanding never reduces Electra to an absolute archetype, but rather a feminine character able to be many things all within one: aggressor, mourner, survivor, and victim.

Scotts References-
Austrian author Hugo von Hofmannsthal's play Elektra (1903).
For Hofmannsthal, Electra is a powerful female protagonist, whose sexuality challenges the restrictive social codes of diseased and morbid women in fin-de-siècle Europe.

Strauss's sonoric manipulation of the waltz leitmotiv alternates between moments of ironic playfulness and deadly seriousness to move Electra ultimately beyond accusations of hysteria to revelations of utter sanity in her Totentanz.

Heiner Müller's, Hamletmaschine (1977), combines the myth of Oedipus and Electra with the story of Hamlet and Ophelia. Unlike Hamlet's neurotic indecisiveness and Ophelia's maudlin self-pity, Electra's striking self-confidence allows her to transcend an unjust world by enduring self-destruction, pain, and cruelty "with elegant poise"

In H.D.'s poem, "A Dead Priestess Speaks" Electra banishes the hatred and violence associated with Oedipus to engage a "feminine politics of renewal" that is characterized by beauty, hope, and peace (p. 139).

In the Plath's poem-"Daddy" (1966), the narrative voice assumes an Electra-like persona that uses language's multi-referentiality to mourn and work through the loss of the dead father.



Thank you once again Gabby, have some reading to do!!!

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posted November 13, 2013 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by olgatheo:

Funny enough my Elektra is conj. to Ophelia, but my Saturn is conj. Elektra...I am a very strong individual , if someone tried to bully me( physically or verbally) , I fought back or totally ignored them.Even with my a teacher once when I was 7 years old she made a rude comment about my nationality and I answered back, she then hit me, I packed up my belongings and walked out the class room and the school.

Wow, sounds like you are the Ophelia turned into Elektra!

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posted November 13, 2013 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for olgatheo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
My Ophelia is taurus@2.50 -7th
Saturn leo@2.50 -10th
Uranus scorpio@4.44 -2nd

Elektra pisces@5.18 -5th
Sun saggy@4.28 -2nd
Uranus scorpio@4.44 -2nd



A T-sq. between Ophelia /Saturn/Uranus - this would of been the links you had to your childhood ( Leo) , sexuality ( Scorpio) , Financial ( Taurus) ...But I did read somewhere that Taurus/Scorpio is associated with taboo subjects, can manifest in the extremes, since Taurus is in the 7th through relationships /counselling too.

But then your Sag. Sun has real faith and is born teacher/healer , I guess that's why you have such a way with words and express yourself so honestly plus you believe in life no matter what has happened in the past. Pisces Elektra trine Uranus , you turned your pain into a positive, so through helping others you heal yourself??

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posted November 13, 2013 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by olgatheo:

A T-sq. between Ophelia /Saturn/Uranus - this would of been the links you had to your childhood ( Leo) , sexuality ( Scorpio) , Financial ( Taurus) ...But I did read somewhere that Taurus/Scorpio is associated with taboo subjects, can manifest in the extremes, since Taurus is in the 7th through relationships /counselling too.

But then your Sag. Sun has real faith and is born teacher/healer , I guess that's why you have such a way with words and express yourself so honestly plus you believe in life no matter what has happened in the past. Pisces Elektra trine Uranus , you turned your pain into a positive, so through helping others you heal yourself??


Wow, I definitely see that! That's an amazing interpretation of those aspects, it's exactly true!
I've healed so much alone but it's been more about getting me to a place that I'm healthy enough to help others....I think I've finally got my head above water now, but to take off and fly i need to see others waking up from their pain and having their faith in life restored!
My Kaali scorpio@2.16 and Lilith scorpio@4.12, so I kind of feel this with some urgency, like it's what I was put here for! I think everything I've went through has had a purpose, to teach me what love really is and share it!
Venus is my chart ruler, followed by mercury!

Just noticed asteroid Wake...taurus@2.03
Even stranger is Wesley, my step dads name who was so abusive...asteroid Wesley falls on a very interesting degree...Aries@0.36 in my 6th house.

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posted November 13, 2013 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for olgatheo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Wow, I definitely see that! That's an amazing interpretation of those aspects, it's exactly true!
I've healed so much alone but it's been more about getting me to a place that I'm healthy enough to help others....I think I've finally got my head above water now, but to take off and fly i need to see others waking up from their pain and having their faith in life restored!
My Kaali scorp@2-3 and Lilith scorp@2-3, so I kind of feel this with some urgency, like it's what I was put here for! I think everything I've went through has had a purpose, to teach me what love really is and share it!
Venus is my chart ruler, followed by mercury!

Just noticed asteroid Wake...taurus@2.03
Even stranger is Wesley, my step dads name who was so abusive...asteroid Wesley falls on a very interesting degree...Aries@0.36 in my 6th house.


Kaali/Lilith my fav. Asteriods...Including Eris but in Scorpio it's a power house, so no matter what your endured even a living Hell, you will always find the power to regenerate, I link Scorpio to 7 because there are 7 planes( steps) in Hell, so you go through 7 trials?? 7 years to heal , and the link to Paradise is through Hell. Don't forget the 5 River's there symbolic too, woe( sometimes inconsolable sadness), burning sensation could be physical/ mental, fire indicates purifying , wailing ( crying) and forgetfulness , so we don't become bitter and never forgive life. That's why an transit to Pluto , once it's over many peep's never rem. the trial's they faced....They also linked to isolation so you disappear from society.. Did this happen in the 80's???

Just saw your post that his surname land's with Kaali/Lilith/Uranus, his fate was not so good in the end...

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His last name Sant--asteroid Sant(a) scorpio@3.03
I wasnt allowed to celebrate holidays so santa has very little meaning to me, funny how i got another sant(a) in my life though, and it sits right in the middle of my Kaali scorp@2.16 and Lilith@4.12!

Pythia scorpio@2.33
Pandora scorpio@3.58(releasing demons)

Ill check if wesley makes any aspects....its does sit on my erratic lilith, the one that moves constantly!!

I think the fact that it sits o such an important degree is very meaningful to, its like he was what threw me into my true purpose in this life.

Ill look for anything else....

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Parvati saggy@0.59
Asclepius saggy@1.03

Nessus cancer@2°24--Ouch!

I love this one, a spiritual quest/divine mission
Excalibur virgo@28.02 opposed Wesley aries@0.

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posted November 13, 2013 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for olgatheo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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His last name Sant--asteroid Sant(a) scorpio@3.03
I wasnt allowed to celebrate holidays so santa has very little meaning to me, funny how i got another sant(a) in my life though, and it sits right in the middle of my Kaali scorp@2.16 and Lilith@4.12!

Pythia scorpio@2.33
Pandora scorpio@3.58(releasing demons)

Ill check if wesley makes any aspects....its does sit on my erratic lilith, the one that moves constantly!!

I think the fact that it sits o such an important degree is very meaningful to, its like he was what threw me into my true purpose in this life.

Ill look for anything else....



Pythia is a Greek word( I am Greek BTW ), he convinced you that what he did was right, along with Pandora, all the evil that manifested in this world , is supposedly from her....but the last thing that comes out the Box....is HOPE. so there you have it....he couldn't crush your hope( soul)!!!!

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posted November 13, 2013 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for olgatheo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Parvati saggy@0.59
Asclepius saggy@1.03

Nessus cancer@2°24--Ouch!


So again through the abuse ( Nessus in cancer so it happened within the home, mother did nothing??? ) , he activated your Parvati/Asclepius healing,love ,understanding...!

Excalibur in Virgo opp. Wesley ...Good one...in Virgo , do your fighting through the written word, daily life, speak the truth, (cut through all the lies ) you've must have defied him verbally???

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So again through the abuse ( Nessus in cancer so it happened within the home, mother did nothing??? ) , he activated your Parvati/Asclepius healing,love ,understanding...!

Mom...pretty much did nothing.
Not making excuses but once when she tried to help me, she was beaten nearly dead.
He told her if she left he would kill us kids and leave her to live with what she had done to her children. She tried to talk to the people of the congregation but they told him, and told him he needed to keep her from making this a big deal and telling others.
I dont know how, but i would have found a way to get out... i would have ran and hid. Shes not like me though....she needs people to take care of her!

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what does Pythia mean in Greek? I know that was the name Oracle at Delphi...
I love Greek culture....its so strong, loud, boisterous and the dancing, i love the dancing!!! Very family oriented culture! I always wanted to have a big family, ive heard they are always in each others business and it gets annoying, but all ive known is being alone, i would embrace and love it in all its annoyance!!

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posted November 13, 2013 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for olgatheo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Mom...pretty much did nothing.
Not making excuses but once when she tried to help me, she was beaten nearly dead.
He told her if she left he would kill us kids and leave her to live with what she had done to her children. She tried to talk to the people of the congregation but they told him, and told him he needed to keep her from making this a big deal and telling others.
I dont know how, but i would have found a way to get out... i would have ran and hid. Shes not like me though....she needs people to take care of her!

It's a pity she asked for help and was refused! You did find a way and left to save your children, that's KAALI/LILITH for you, I think you would fight till the end , for your kids. My mom's like that too, I guess that's why I am what I am today because she loved/loves me ! Mom's has Grand Fixed Cross , with all major planets!! She didn't let her childhood to affect her in anyway instead she became stronger.

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posted November 13, 2013 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for olgatheo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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what does Pythia mean in Greek? I know that was the name Oracle at Delphi...
I love Greek culture....its so strong, loud, boisterous and the dancing, i love the dancing!!! Very family oriented culture! I always wanted to have a big family, ive heard they are always in each others business and it gets annoying, but all ive known is being alone, i would embrace and love it in all its annoyance!!


Exactly that , very up in your business, the cousins, the aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters...everybody know's your life, nothing is secret , so when your hurt, 100 people will step in....LOL!!!
Your welcome to Greece, anytime !!!!

Pythia means to convince, she could convince you , make you believe in what she said was true, but since she is an oracle she could predict the future .

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It's a pity she asked for help and was refused! You did find a way and left to save your children, that's KAALI/LILITH for you, I think you would fight till the end , for your kids. My mom's like that too, I guess that's why I am what I am today because she loved/loves me ! Mom's has Grand Fixed Cross , with all major planets!! She didn't let her childhood to affect her in anyway instead she became stronger.

I really love the grand crosses, they cause stress but its stress that turns into strength of character!

As you know my saturn is square my uranus, i never realized what was aspecting these planets to make a grand cross, but seeing it now, i realize its definitely the theme of my life!
Grand crosses including your saturn, even if its only asteroids aspecting i bet for most are going to be very telling about the purpose and what they have to overcome in their life! Major challenges that turn into major strengths!

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