posted November 17, 2013 05:01 PM            

Homer, Trojan war. Odysseys (also known as Ulysses) buggers off for the duration of it due to that kind of being the manly and done thing back in the day. Once the war's won, runs into a tiff with Poseidon due to a slight case of killing his cyclops-son, and can't get back home to his wife Penelope for another 14 years or so. The Trojan War is the Iliad part and Odyssey is rather self-explanatorily the great big escapade part of our titular hero.

Long story shorter still, Penelope waits faithfully for her husband to return even when she has suitors a-plenty and is pressured to pick one to marry. Penny's a smart lass and has a clever ploy to postpone having to choose. Odysseys has affairs along the way (Circe, Kalypso, everyone's out to seduce him) but always runs off to continue homeward. When he gets home he's another clever clogs and uses a disguise and a ruse to lead to an archery contest to show off everyone else compared to his rightful kingly husband vibes.

The son of the pair is Telemachus and the main suitor is called Antinous. Odessa was listed elsewhere as relating to long journeys, but as far as I'm concerned I always took it to be a city in Ukraine.

Penelope "stands for fidelity and devotion in absent relationships" even though she's said to have some doubts along the way. Guy takes 20 years to get back, who wouldn't?
"Pēnelopē is usually understood to combine the Greek word pēnē (πήνη ), "weft", and ōps (ὤψ ), "face", which is considered the most appropriate for a cunning weaver whose motivation is hard to decipher."

Basically, these two are the smart pair of all the way the Trojan war was also basically won because Odysseus after 7-8-whatever years went "Oh F. it" - and lo the Trojan horse was built to finish things with cunning. They're also the "take forever" pair and seem to feature in long-distance relationships according to Astro keen at least, but what's your opinion on the two?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penelope

On Odysseys: http://www.storynory.com/2008/04/07/the-homecoming-of-odysseus/ http://iusd.org/vv/Literacy_heroes/index_files/Page844.htm

Previous threads touching on Penelope and her husband:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/001496.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/001274-2.html

posted November 17, 2013 05:21 PM            

I just put in your asteroids, and in my natal:

Odysseus 21 Taurus
Ulixes 24 Taurus (they are always close though)
Odessa 24 Taurus

Antinouous 20 Leo

Penelope 19 Scorpio

This is just too good.

Penelope opposite Odysseus - the official couple, at polar opposite ends of the world.

Antinous literally coming in between (square aspects)

As a matter of fact I have KAlypso on 17 Aquarius, too, right on my Moon. lol

Telemachus on almost 14 Taurus conjuncts Nausikaa on 15 Taurus

HOmer is hanging around on 11 Leo

It is very fixed in my chart.

Exception being Circe on 27 Sag

posted November 17, 2013 05:30 PM            

I also have Amor conj Osiris and IQ's remark about that particular natal connection was: "Amor conjunct Osiris would mean a strong feeling of Love Energy towards a man considered the ideal mate, almost like a divine husband, the man you would pine for eons." My Valentine waits for ages due to Penelope and my Amor is looking for an eternal mate, so good luck to me in partnerships then it seems.

However:

I find synastry where my Penelope-Valentine conjuncts B's South Node, making for a lunar contact. Now, say B has his Moon conjunct his Odysseus and Ulysses and the draconic Moon-U-Ody hits his North Node. Natal Moon-U-Ody is already conjunct my Karma and square my Nodes.

I hit him on the SN, he hits me on both ends (2 degree orb my way)?

My Moon is trine my Odysseus and my draconic Moon conjunct my Ulysses (they're ~3 apart). B's Karma conjuncts my Moon and his draconic Karma is trine my draconic Penelope.

My Amor-Osiris is opposite his Penelope
My drac Ody-Ulysses are opposite his Amor

My Amor-Osiris is conjunct his Saturn (opp Pen)
My Saturn is conjunct his Osiris
My Valentine-Penelope trines his Isis

My drac Moon conj his drac Penelope, opp his drac Saturn
My Moon trine their drac Valentine

Penelope-Valentine opp drac Moon-Uly-Ody
Drac (his NN)
Odysseus-Ulysses conj his drac Penelope (opp his Saturn)

My head's spinning and it probably looks confusing as hell, but it's a ton of interaction between lunar things (Moon, nodes), Karma and Saturn and the soulmate pairing in question. Add in a sprinkle of Osiris-Saturn on top.

Now, since a lot of it is more so on the Draconic chart level... Does B with his SN conjunct someone's Penelope-Valentine feel it more strongly in any case since they have their Moon conjunct Odysseus-Ulysses?

The last time I took an interest in Penelope in synastry was when I found someone with their Valentine conj their Odysseus-Ulysses to mirror my Penelope-Valentine. This case looks to be equally enlightening on astrological connection fronts.

There is also contact between the parents and the son Telemachus. I imagine something like that would lead to good parent-child or parenting relations as well.

My Penelope-Valentine trine his Telemachus (2 conj his Isis)
My Telemachus sextile his Uly-Odysseus
My drac Telemachus conj his drac Valentine

EDIT:

His Ody-Uly also quindecile my 9 Aquarius Circe.

posted November 17, 2013 07:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I just put in your asteroids, and in my natal:

Odysseus 21 Taurus
Ulysses 24 Taurus (they are always close though)
Odessa 24 Taurus

Antinouous 20 Leo
Penelope 19 Scorpio

Now interestingly Kalypso is conjunct my Moon, while Circe conjuncts my Sun.

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I have Isis at 22 Taurus so there are interesting synastry contacts between the Pen-Ody/Uly and Isis-Osiris sides here as well when my Osiris is 17 Pisces and trines your Penelope as well. I took the liberty of fixing your Ulixes to Ulysses though now writing it even here bugs me, argh.

As to your Kalypso and Circe, I think you'd feel more inclined to lean toward an Odysseus-type yourself then as well. Maybe not as strongly as a Penelope-strong person might, but if you're up for checking charts maybe you should see what your slight obsession interest has on these fronts, too?

posted November 17, 2013 08:44 PM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
Penelope is literally the ultimate faithful wife & mother. She truly loves her husband & Son enough to wait twenty years for him to return. Part of me believes her waiting wasn't only due to her love for Odysseus but for the protection of her son's birth right. If she were to remarry her son would probably have been killed and/or sent away especially she were to marry and have more children.

My personally:
Odysseus quintile Penelope they were a gifted couple
Circe conjunct Venus
Homerus conjunct Asc
Ulysses/Odysseus sq Circe
Ulysses/Odysseus sextile Kalypso
Telemachus sq Antinous which fits the myth

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That's probably true and something to consider, yes. I think you talked about Circe conjunct Venus in some other thread, or do I remember wrong? As for Homer, any epic plans?

posted November 18, 2013 01:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
I took the liberty of fixing your Ulixes to Ulysses though now writing it even here bugs me, argh.

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Why does it bug you?

Ulixes was the Roman name for Odysseus, and certainly closer in time to the original than the novel of James Joyce.
Besides I am a latin teacher, do you really expect me to NOT use the latin/Roman name? (and yes, I know the asteroid is called Ulysses; details, don´t bother a Sag with details )

posted November 18, 2013 01:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Keela:

As to your Kalypso and Circe, I think you'd feel more inclined to lean toward an Odysseus-type yourself then as well. Maybe not as strongly as a Penelope-strong person might, but if you're up for checking charts maybe you should see what your slight obsession interest has on these fronts, too?

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Penelope is conjunct my 12th house cusp exactly, conjuncts Anteros by 2 degrees and trines Eros (on my Vertex) exactly.
Ulysses - Ulixes - opposes my Valentine by under 3 degrees.

posted November 18, 2013 10:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
That's probably true and something to consider, yes. I think you talked about Circe conjunct Venus in some other thread, or do I remember wrong? As for Homer, any epic plans?

Have to come back to this though to ask: What happened to your post? O.o?

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posted November 20, 2013 01:31 AM            

"Do you have any interesting info on these asteroids?
What do you think about natal Odysseus conjunct Moon and Ceres and Penelope in the 12th?"

I'd imagine something of the motherly side of Penelope would figure more so with Ceres there as well as with Odysseus in contact with the moon's maternal stuff. Check for Telemachus aspects on top?

Then again, I have Moon 2 trine Odysseus (Drac Moon conj Ulysses-Odysseus) and the main thing I've probably done is sail halfway across the world and been away from the mother through having lived abroad.

posted November 20, 2013 01:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Besides I am a latin teacher, do you really expect me to NOT use the latin/Roman name? (and yes, I know the asteroid is called Ulysses; details, don´t bother a Sag with details )

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3H Viiiiiiiirgooooo Mercuryyyyyyyy. *fixes everyone's typos, asks 10 new nitpicking queries, adjusts everyone's ties while at it*

As asked in the Alice thread, can you in your teacherly form please tell a lowly mortal what asteroid 3268's name "De Sanctis" means? The name only brings to mind something holy at my end, but "of something holy" seems off. It's only the third asteroid I remember finding for my Moon though, so I'm taking it and not giving it back, whatever the case.

All G-gle wants to offer me is some footballer; "DeSanctis–Cacchione syndrome is an extremely rare disorder characterized by the skin and eye symptoms of xeroderma pigmentosum (XP) occurring in association with microcephaly, progressive mental retardation, retarded growth and sexual development, deafness, choreoathetosis, ataxia and quadriparesis" and various Italian people through Wiki, of course.

Google translate for Latin offers "of the most" but the family name is supposed to stem from sanctus, holy, devout, so... What? My Vaticana-Uranus-Vicars conjunct thine Union wants your Vaticana-MC to have mercy on us.

posted November 26, 2015 05:55 PM            

Pluto conjunct Penelope Exact in Libra @28d
Squaring
Ulysses in Capricorn @27d

My Odysseus is part of a Stellium:
Apollonia in Aqua @10d02
Odysseus in Aqua @12d41
Devota in Aqua @12d54
Ceres in Aqua @14d21
Sokrates in Aqua @14d58

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In Midpoint composite with Ex we have Odysseus conjunct Penelope.