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pocaloca
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posted December 14, 2013 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocaloca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear friends,

I met a guy online some 5 month ago. At the start it was magic but in turned to difficult after a while due to power struggles and dominance issues . He is Scorpio rising with Mars, Venus and Uranus in Scorpio so mind-games are something he plays automatically even if not intended..He is quiet and mysterious which drives me nuts, but in the same time he does not really lets me move away from him. He is not straight forward but he is there, waiting , observing...Actually I am fed up with the whole story considering the fact that we did not even manage to meet till now but somehow I feel also like bewitched , cant give up on him cos some stupid gut feeling is telling me that he is just the one I was waiting to meet and be with ..

Looking at our synastry chart I discovered amazingly many aspects we share, have, which again maybe explains why I feel so connected to him although not really happy..not yet and maybe never..

My dear friends , magi astrology connoisseurs,
here I am posting the chart in hope that you can help me solve this confusion..Is that man a Prince or just a time wasting hope I was punished to meet?

Do you think that there can be a future with this synastry? or I should give up straight away and move on for the sake of my heart and health ?

I tried also to help a little bit underlining the aspects , clashes as well as linkages we share. Of corse I would be here to confirm or refute if I did not sensed that the aspect is active..

Thank you all in advance for your help <3

SYNASTRY CHART DRAWING

Pluto opposition Chiron with an orb -0°13 is a parallel in declination as well with his Pluto being on 8°53'35" N and my Chiron at 8° 8'16" N So one is super linkage another clash with the same planets involved...bit confusing . Interesting information might be as well that my Lilith is conjunct his ASC within an orb of 1°59a

I would add here GEO parallels as well for the better picture:
His Pluto 8°53'35" N , my Chiron 8° 8'16" N ->parallel
His Venus 23° 3'46" S, my Jupiter 23° 5'20" S -> parallel
His Venus 23° 3'46" S, my Mars 23°43' 0" N->contrap
His Venus 23° 3'46" S, my Merc. 23°42'41" N ->contrap
His Venus 23° 3'46" S, my Venus 24°33'35" N->contrap
His Sun 3°49' 6" S, my Moon 4°37'35" N>contrap
His Mercury 3°36'29" S, my Moon 4°37'35" N->contrap
His Mars 14°40'55" S, my Pluto 15°17'58" N ->contrap
His Jupiter 19°22'17" N, my Nept. 19°12'26" S >contrap
His Jupiter 19°22'17" N, my Saturn20°32' 7" N->parallel
..I am sure I "lost" some

SYNASTRY TABLE GEO

SYNASTRY TABLE HELIO
did not know exactly how the aspects work there so I just underlined clashes and some cinderella linkages..

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posted December 14, 2013 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see the linkages, I see the trines; I especially see how his SNODE hits your MOON. NNODE-JUNO would seem to indicate some sort of relationship. I'm intrigued by so many of your points falling in his 8H - and your ASC/DSC conjunction. There's something definitely here, but I'd be more inclined to see the composite.

Those trines don't tend to be binding. And, while CHIRON has been said to be part of the 'Cinderella' game, it's not always an easy road. You've got to have a REALLY good idea of what you're doing to play that one - if that makes sense.

I myself have contraparallels with someone of both SUN and MOON and VENUS and MARS. That can be a VERY nice combination - if you two are serious about the relationship. If it's at too much of a distance, declination doesn't really come into play.

Just a cursory look.

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posted December 14, 2013 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocaloca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Daer IndigoDirae,
I dont have any idea what I am doing!! I feel like I am caught in the net if you understand...
Magy astrology says that the best cinderella linkage is Venus-Chiron linkage and we have that one in Geo and in Helio ..also Neptune-Chiron very tight orb trine, Jupiter -Chiron so almost all of those SUPER linkages...well Clashes are there as well Saturn 90 Saturn, Pluto 90 Mars....auch!

also 2 grand trines ( i noticed) and one mystical triangle
his VE 150 my CHIRON, my CHIRON 90 my MARS, his VENUS 120 my MARS...all in tight orbs ...

We did not met yet but we spoke more then once via Skype and BAM! ...I cant even deal with looking at him from so far away, I dont dare to imagine standing next to him..I actually feel like my free will is highjacked somehow if you know what I mean...

yes that ASC DC is very tight and his Chiron on my ASC, my Lilith on his ASC..my Vesta on his DSC , his Mars on mine...and so on..is it karmic ?? or what the hack is it...actually I never saw, had so many aspects with someone.

I am really a dummy in Composite but if you think you can see us as one better like that here it is, take a ride and of corse let me know

Thank you <3 for your time, it means a lot to me cos I am really truing to find out what actually going on with that man.

COMPOSITE

Btw, my Venus falls in his 8th ..he finds me sexy? no?..his Venus in my 7th..and I want to marry him? damn! ..sounds like he has upper hand there..

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posted December 14, 2013 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocaloca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I see the linkages, I see the trines; I especially see how his SNODE hits your MOON. NNODE-JUNO would seem to indicate some sort of relationship

oh...I see now what you mean with NNode conjunct Juno! According to a study, certain Juno aspects were commonly found in the synastry charts of married couples, including: Juno conjunct North Node....Must admit I did not even noticed that one...So one more marriage aspect...

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posted December 14, 2013 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MOON in 12H quincunx SUN-MERC in 7H, which is 7R and 8R.

Don't marry. Have a relationship, keep it semi-casual. NNODE-JUNO-NEPTUNE indicates a spiritual commitment, very public, too, in 10H.

This relationship is about sex, though, so be careful. Don't mistake sex for love.

Gimme a minute - lot going on.

But in short, there are too many issues here. WAY too many issues - indicative of 12H MOON, with that quincunx. Don't marry or make any sort of commitment until those are worked through. Bottom line.

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posted December 14, 2013 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW, the composite is littered with quincunxes: karmic obligations and adjustments needed.

Quincunxes and squares. Ugh.

Okay, I'll be back. I've got a client in 5. But I WILL be back after that.

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posted December 14, 2013 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
BTW, the composite is littered with quincunxes: karmic obligations and adjustments needed.

Q


Actually I only see one quinkunx; the dotted lines are sesisquares.

BTW my parents have a composite with Moon in 12th house quinkunx Mercury (and Sun), but in 5th house.
And they have been married for 40 years, very committed, monogamous and totally traditional. Except that it is a very equal partnership.

They also have Uranus in 12th house (conjunct the cusp and ruling DESC),

my best friend and her husband have a 12th house Moon as well - in PIsces-, quinkunx the chartruler, Mars, in 5th house.

Using some more generous orb, Moon is also quinkunx the Pluto on DESC exact (Pluto ruling 8thhouse) - which makes a Yod.

Very committed marriage as well.


I don`t really think the Moon in 12th house quinkunx something in 7th or 5th house, is necessarily a doom-factor in terms of marriage.


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posted December 14, 2013 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pocaloca,

before astrology, trust your gut instinct.
What you wrote, makes some alarmbells ring, no matter what the astrology sais (btw I haven`t observed the Magi astrology so spot on on the money; though there are some aspects of it that really resonate with what I observed, too.).

However if you have not even met yet and ALREADY iusses with power struggles and dominance, that would not be a good sign to me.


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posted December 14, 2013 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Pocaloca,

before astrology, trust your gut instinct.
What you wrote, makes some alarmbells ring, no matter what the astrology sais (btw I haven`t observed the Magi astrology so spot on on the money; though there are some aspects of it that really resonate with what I observed, too.).

However if you have not even met yet and ALREADY iusses with power struggles and dominance, that would not be a good sign to me.


THIS ^. This, this, THIS.

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posted December 14, 2013 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocaloca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We both have 12th house Moon in natal chart...
To be honest I thought that , SEX at the start and bye, bye and he had a chance to come and get it I guess but he somehow chosed to make deep bond, to take it slowly although I know that he finds me attractive..I mean after all he was the one who came to me, one who was observing me for a long time before he made a move and tried to make me notice him..What about the tight orb Venus 120 Moon? Is that not LOOOVE? Deep feelings?..
Also when you say public, and we have in synastry that cinderella fame linkage Uranus 120 Chiron as well, that is possible cos he is a quite established and famous artist actually and he did approached me with the "Let me photograph you.." blabla which confused me at first knowing that the line of those who dream to have him , be a part of his art, is huge and quite prominent..But do not misunderstand me, I was never interested in that or his fame, opposite is the case.

Honestly I would prefer hot sex plus deep love..not one without other ..but then for hot some fights/clashes are needed ..no?
sorry I am joking a bit although I take this matter very serious

Also I am the one breaking it all the time as you can see on my Uranus attacking his personal planets..but I cant make him really angry or give up and that confuses me even more.

Ok I though I should add some info because you are so kind to want to help me ( HUGE HUG for THAT!!)..

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posted December 14, 2013 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocaloca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Pocaloca,

before astrology, trust your gut instinct.
What you wrote, makes some alarmbells ring, no matter what the astrology sais (btw I haven`t observed the Magi astrology so spot on on the money; though there are some aspects of it that really resonate with what I observed, too.).

However if you have not even met yet and ALREADY iusses with power struggles and dominance, that would not be a good sign to me.


I understand darling 100 percent but I am a damn VENUS 90 PLUTO Natal chart...Drama queen and dominant more then I want! I can drive a normal man crazy, make hem either become a submissiv and then I loose interest and leave,or he gets mad and runs away, or love and hate scenario..yes, I know sounds horrible but I am honest, its in the stars, in the blood..
He on the other side knows how to deal with me somehow, to stay calm, stay interested, focused but also not loose his power and control ..Maybe that Mars in 1th house Scorpio rising?? Also, his VENUS and MARS are in SCORPIO , my VENUS; MARS in CANCER...both water...

Actaually my gut feeling is telling me he is the one, but the wild girly in me is terrified cos he is a DOMINATOR par excellence.

This all might sound very immature, I know, but I am 41 and certain that some aspects of my nature, character would probable never change.

I must also add that If I saw boring and not significant synastry I would of run knowing that all what I feel and experience is just an illusion..like this, with this synastry I am even more confused and uncertain what is the right thing for me to do..be patient, work on that relation, let it grow?? or run away as fast as I (still) can.

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posted December 14, 2013 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you add in NESSUS (7066) and DEJANIRA (157) ? Synastry and composite?

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posted December 14, 2013 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocaloca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Can you add in NESSUS (7066) and DEJANIRA (157) ? Synastry and composite?

okay, will do just need few minutes..but I am already curious what would those reveal Indigo Dirae..I am burning to know actually..What I noticed though is that my name asteroid conjuncts his ASC tight orbis, but I dont know much about asteroids..

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posted December 14, 2013 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocaloca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Can you add in NESSUS (7066) and DEJANIRA (157) ? Synastry and composite?


HERE IS THE SYNASTRY WITH THOSE TWO ..DO YOU NEED TABLE AS WELL?

TABLE WITH ASPECTS

COMPOSITE

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posted December 14, 2013 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I DO NOT like his SUN on your DEJANIRA. Now, you're a NESSUS-SUN, and that's going to operate either negatively or positively - depending upon how you use that forceful energy.

I REALLY do not like his NESSUS on your MARS.

There is potential for abuse here. With the 12H MOON - I don't like this.

This relationship WILL involve issues of abuse, power struggles. That's the PLUTO-NNODE. With your DEJANIRA there, I fear you will feel victimised. Or BE victimised. And that NESSUS on your MARS ... this can be emotional abuse: bullying, pressuring, coercion .... I just don't like that.

I'm not saying don't do this. I'm saying that, unless you're here for some very hard lessons in the arena of power exchange, this is not 'the one'. This is A one. This is A very karmic, very significant relationship which will teach you a LOT.

But I would never marry this person. Personally.

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posted December 14, 2013 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Off-hand, are any of those points 19* LIBRA?

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posted December 14, 2013 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To be honest, in regards to a 'domme getting her just deserts', it doesn't have to be as terrible as all that. I found a wonderful man who can certainly own his dominance when he needs to; otherwise, he's very careful to not be too intimidating. He doesn't play games. He tries to be very transparent. I honestly and genuinely trust him with my life. That's saying a LOT.

And I'm in love. It's not crazy, it's 'dramatic' in all the right ways, passionate, evolving, and special.

For once, I found a man to whom I actually feel submissive, able to let go of all that control I lug around. (I'm a SUN-PLUTO, too.)

I think, because there's so much ... love (not to be a sap) we don't play the usual power struggle games we could be playing. We're not here for that. We're carrying it with us, and we have some issues from all of that to resolve, but there's so much love.

I'm far from an expert on NESSUS and DEJANIRA, but when they're prominently figured, you're either bringing in past issues of abuse which must be resolved now, or you're playing surrogate to sort them out. Either way, they're there. I'm not sure if you have enough love to combat it.

He NEVER played games with me. Ever. Not from Day 1. He's been a consummate gentleman. Given the circumstances, that's NOT been easy. I understand the drama we've had, and I really don't blame him for that. Because HE has never incited it.

Now, my Twinflame on the other hand ... ohhhhhh, boy. And, were he not my Twinflame ... I'd be done with it. Hard, hard, hard.

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posted December 14, 2013 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocaloca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I DO NOT like his SUN on your DEJANIRA. Now, you're a NESSUS-SUN, and that's going to operate either negatively or positively - depending upon how you use that forceful energy.

I REALLY do not like his NESSUS on your MARS.

There is potential for abuse here. With the 12H MOON - I don't like this.

This relationship WILL involve issues of abuse, power struggles. That's the PLUTO-NNODE. With your DEJANIRA there, I fear you will feel victimised. Or BE victimised. And that NESSUS on your MARS ... this can be emotional abuse: bullying, pressuring, coercion .... I just don't like that.

I'm not saying don't do this. I'm saying that, unless you're here for some very hard lessons in the arena of power exchange, this is not 'the one'. This is A one. This is A very karmic, very significant relationship which will teach you a LOT.

But I would never marry this person. Personally.



Humm, are you certain that he would want to abuse me..I mean my MARS is on his NESSUS , my PLUTO on his NN?..can it be just a abit of SM game playing..I like sexually strong guys, that balances me somehow cos I am in real so dominant?..also I read somewhere that Venus square Pluto for example shows child abuse, or abuse..I was never raped , abused. I am to strong and not attractive for those "weak" guys , they need, choose weak - victim type of woman which I am not and never was..

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posted December 14, 2013 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocaloca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Off-hand, are any of those points 19* LIBRA?

no, the nearest is his MOON at 20°46'57" LIBRA

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posted December 14, 2013 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MOON/PLUTO, not VENUS.

I don't think you'll be so strong after him. :\ And ... maybe that's what you're looking for.

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posted December 14, 2013 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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no, the nearest is his MOON at 20°46'57" LIBRA

Whew, thank God. I don't like 19* LIBRA with that much abusive energy around. It tends to result in homicide.

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posted December 14, 2013 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tend to see MARS in soft aspect to NESSUS in BDSM relationships. Obviously, DEJANIRA-SUN is an ideal aspect in a D/S relationship, with DEJANIRA being the submissive. BUT. DEJANIRA-PLUTO, I don't like. That's too strong. That's where the game-playing intercedes the relationship; the balance of power becomes corrupt at a foundational level. It's no longer scening and play, but abuse.

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posted December 14, 2013 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
... Hmmm. Are any of the midpoints 19* LIBRA? I don't like that cluster of planets like that with your DEJANIRA involved. Sometimes, these can be explained away by particularly violent collaborative art, or something. Otherwise, it just tends to be a big red-flag.

Oh, I know my SUN is 19* LIBRA. I find that terribly ironic. (I'm a criminologist - among other things, heh.)

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posted December 14, 2013 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocaloca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
To be honest, in regards to a 'domme getting her just deserts', it doesn't have to be as terrible as all that. I found a wonderful man who can certainly own his dominance when he needs to; otherwise, he's very careful to not be too intimidating. He doesn't play games. He tries to be very transparent. I honestly and genuinely trust him with my life. That's saying a LOT.

And I'm in love. It's not crazy, it's 'dramatic' in all the right ways, passionate, evolving, and special.

For once, I found a man to whom I actually feel submissive, able to let go of all that control I lug around. (I'm a SUN-PLUTO, too.)

I think, because there's so much ... love (not to be a sap) we don't play the usual power struggle games we could be playing. We're not here for that. We're carrying it with us, and we have some issues from all of that to resolve, but there's so much love.

I'm far from an expert on NESSUS and DEJANIRA, but when they're prominently figured, you're either bringing in past issues of abuse which must be resolved now, or you're playing surrogate to sort them out. Either way, they're there. I'm not sure if you have enough love to combat it.

He NEVER played games with me. Ever. Not from Day 1. He's been a consummate gentleman. Given the circumstances, that's NOT been easy. I understand the drama we've had, and I really don't blame him for that. Because HE has never incited it.

Now, my Twinflame on the other hand ... ohhhhhh, boy. And, were he not my Twinflame ... I'd be done with it. Hard, hard, hard.


Well I kinda feel that for this man..and mystery is the part of his Scorpio rising, venus, mars..they are like that..He never lied to me and what he said was honest and straight away..I am the one who makes one step in front , two back cos I simply have it hard to believe that I met someone like that, who ignites so much passion in me, makes me loose control anyway, I thought our synastry special especially with so many magi cinderella linkages we share but after reading your approach and opinion I am quite devastated now and in worry...

But I thank you from the bottom of my heart cos I am about to move toward that story or leave , not much time left anymore, so It would help me in making the right decision for sure...at least consider possibilities i did not took in account.

Thank you and I wish you all the very best with your love, your " right" man Indigo:*

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posted December 14, 2013 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has t-PLUTO been opposing your VENUS this year? I can't see your VENUS degree.

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