posted February 07, 2014 01:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Do you feel like you need reassurance, someone to tell you the world is going right? Do you need reassurance that your being seen how your supposed to be seen because you question if you are? You have a hard time consoling yourself because your unsure if what you see is how it actually is and just want another perspective to help you put in place?

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Yes. I never trust anything is how it seems.
And I don't feel like I'm seen how I'm supposed to be seen but I put that down to moon square asc. I guess this doesn't help.
Thanks very interesting, Gabby

posted February 07, 2014 01:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Do you feel like you need reassurance, someone to tell you the world is going right? Do you need reassurance that your being seen how your supposed to be seen because you question if you are? You have a hard time consoling yourself because your unsure if what you see is how it actually is and just want another perspective to help you put in place?

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Yes. I never trust anything is how it seems.
And I don't feel like I'm seen how I'm supposed to be seen but I put that down to moon square asc. I guess this doesn't help.
Thanks very interesting, Gabby

posted February 07, 2014 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Panthera Leo:
What you said Gabby sounds quite true.Although I do think if I decide to make my mind up and do what I wish to do. I can certainly put the cat among the pigeons and then walk away with a big smile on my face.I think because Alice and Lilith are in Aquarius I can be provocative and rebellious when I wish to be.My big mouth is always getting me into trouble.I have unaspected Mercy in Leo In the 1oth house and Uranus in Capricorn in the 3rd.sometimes I find myself getting angry and saying that I know could possibly cause a bloodbath without caring about the consequences.

My Scorpio Redqueen 25'42 squares
Mercury in Leo 25'36 and
trines Jupiter Cancer 25'1

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You must have supportive aspects to help you overcome your insecurities, that is awesome!
I wonder though..... even when you do rebel if you still don't feel a complete confidence in the decision your making, but with all that rebellious energy you just don't care, the worse of 2 evils is to be under others control so even if your insecure if your making the right move, you do it anyway! Then quietly cross your fingers hoping and praying you don't get hit with shrapnel if it all explodes behind you!

posted February 07, 2014 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]Like on your Mercury Ami, your probably always going to feel a bit insecure wondering if your understanding things correctly, intellectually you probably doubt yourself and wonder if your missing things that would give you the full picture, when in reality if you would just sit back and trust yourself it would all one to you in time.

This is so true, Gabby. You would believe the people who ask me for advice. Many are successful and very well balanced. They tell me I have really clear, logical thinking but I doubt myself.

Thanks so much for your post. You have really helped me, Gabby, my dear Friend

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Originally posted by Heartsong11:
Yes. I never trust anything is how it seems.
And I don't feel like I'm seen how I'm supposed to be seen but I put that down to moon square asc. I guess this doesn't help.
Thanks very interesting, Gabby

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posted February 07, 2014 02:19 PM              

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Originally posted by Gabby:
You must have supportive aspects to help you overcome your insecurities, that is awesome!
I wonder... even when you do rebel if you don't feel complete confidence in the decision making. But your so tired of feeling under others control that you do it anyway, but still your quietly crossing your fingers hoping and praying you don't get hit with shrapnel if it all explodes!!

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posted February 07, 2014 02:28 PM            

My Alice is in Pisces in the 4th house, making a tight sextile in 0 with Neptune...

I'm going to be mad here: I go sane when I daydream using my Neptune at home??

posted February 07, 2014 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Panthera Leo:
Thats so true Im not always completely confident.I guess sometimes I just sort of crack up and decide to take a chance.I think I get tired of other peoples crap and decide its time to do something about.I feel like its time to do or die trying lol.Sometimes I wish I was more rational.I try to appear rational but the truth is im not deep down inside im petty,ruled by my own emotions and desires.The cracks start to appear when things don't my way or when im stressed.
Thanks Gabby

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You'll figure it out in time, no need to feel let down by yourself...everything happens in the perfect time and when you decide to do something to change it and take more control to be who you want to be instead of being reactive to others and how they are....you will!
Main thing to realize is that allowing others to change your behavior, causing you to act in ways you are not proud of, is still them controlling you.
The only true independence is being so strong and solid within yourself that what others do doesn't touch your core or make you reactive. It takes time and a lot of seeing life in new perspectives to get there...1st thing you can see that would allow your rebellious nature to work for you and calm you down is to help you see reacting to others is giving them control!
Become offensive instead of defensive, have the battle won before you enter it by never engaging in the battle!
Doing this makes the people around have to adjust to you instead of you adjusting to them....they were expecting one reaction, a battle and you gave them nothing so they will be the ones reacting as they try to find a new way to relate to you.

posted February 07, 2014 02:40 PM            

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posted February 07, 2014 04:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Queen Salome:
No problem, thanks for answering.

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posted February 07, 2014 04:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I will await what you get from the book, Florence. I am so glad to have you in the Asteroid Forum

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thank you Ami - i like being in this forum

i looked up madhatter on wiki and did relate to the mercury poisoning symptoms of hatters (being very shy for instance)even if those traits arent necessarily in his character. can see now why its related to being accused of things from reading about the character. but i will read the book too. it seems to have a lot of archetypal things going on.

posted February 07, 2014 05:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
You question yourself, your value, and worry that even when everything is fine....is it really fine? Is something about to go down that will change everything in a split second? You don't want to trust your self worth because your afraid if you do, you might find out it you really were not worthy of that and life will crumble around you because built a foundation on that incorrect assumption of yourself.
Try to relax!!! Loving yourself will never hurt you!! Questioning your worthiness of self esteem is what's going to make anyone's world crumble!

Add Eros to that, you question your ability to be sexual and if you can accept others being sexual with you...it makes it hard to trust that they really find you arousing, probably as your being sexual there is an inner dialog questioning what's going on, wondering if they truly find you attractive, wondering if your really enjoying this, if this is what it's supposed to feel like, is there more to it are you supposed to be doing more for it to be what it's supposed to be and how it's supposed to feel?
Probably is a real kill joy to you!! Again, try to relax and feel, stop over thinking it!

I really bet anyone with a prominent Alice would do wonders by learning to meditate, learning to shut off the mind questioning life and learning to just flow with the feelings and the energy of life without the mind trying to critique or judge it, to make sure the experience fits in properly!

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yes i question my worth a lot. but to counter that i slip into the other extreme of narcissism, no healthy medium. similarly people seem to either find me of high value or low value and not much in between. so because there is this complete opposite it fuels my search for what i am worth - how can i be one or the other .. sometimes by the same person or sometimes different people on the same day. so, i am getting that it's me creating that .. and in turn I refuel that with the dual reaction i get. so the confusion aspect is really something i can get and am trying to find an approach to get some balance. should add i've sun opp asc.

& eros ... i do feel detached during sex quite a lot and find it hard to settle, kind of an out-of-body experience. either yes, question if they are attracted to me or turn up the image - in either case working through that, though don't get me wrong i can tune into something deeper too .. but i don't feel like i am present in that. so that does seem right.

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posted February 07, 2014 05:42 PM            

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Florence
Would like to put your chart up in the Beginners Forum and we can look at it. Make it to my attention so I see it every time. This earth void and high strung Gemini gets very scattered

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actually was going to ask about figuring out the whole sun opps asc thing in beginners so i will do that and also put your name on so you can see it. youve already given me some good input though ..

posted February 07, 2014 07:14 PM            

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actually was going to ask about figuring out the whole sun opps asc thing in beginners so i will do that and also put your name on so you can see it. youve already given me some good input though ..

but yes this planets on dsc i am never getting.

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Planets on any angle give extra focus to that angle, you will learn much about your self esteem and self value through your relationships, you might feel like your not complete or your best without a partner because relationships help you see yourself better, they bring you closer to your Sun and your Sun is self value.

If your sun was on your IC, it would be family that brought you closer to your Sun, if it was on your MC it would be work that did.
If your mercury was on your DC relationships would be how you learned to communicate and learn how to better get across your thoughts and needs!
If your Uranus was on your DC, relationships would bring out your creativity, but also your desire for individuality and freedom...you would be prone to rebelling from the very thing that opened you up to needing individuality!
You would probably be in and out of relationships often!

posted February 08, 2014 01:04 AM            

I see your point about the chaos in which Alice finds herself, but at the end she Wakes up and realizes she's been dreaming, as we all are in this world of illusion...

I went through a long period of experiencing venus/alice very much as you suggest, Gabby, but somewhere along the line (saturn through h12?), I wasthrown back on myself; this led to a lot of hard work on my fears and attitude, rebirthing, studying astrology, and nust plain having to do so many things I had thought myself incapable of.

posted February 08, 2014 02:36 AM            

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I think it's important to remember that while the chart shows innate tendencies, strengths and weaknesses, it is not set in stone but morphing all the time (progressions and transits)...

I see your point about the chaos in which Alice finds herself, but at the end she Wakes up and realizes she's been dreaming, as we all are in this world of illusion...

I went through a long period of experiencing venus/alice very much as you suggest, Gabby, but somewhere along the line (saturn through h12?), I wasthrown back on myself; this led to a lot of hard work on my fears and attitude, rebirthing, studying astrology, and nust plain having to do so many things I had thought myself incapable of.

We are all in progress, thank god, and no aspect has to be permanent.

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Oh definitely...I would think that would be just a given!! The point of astrology in my personal desire to learn it, is to see where I innately go without thought....then help myself to change what needs to be changed and strengthen what is already good!
My Alice is conjunct my Excalibur, after seeing where she is and really getting to know Alice's energy I realized I did have huge insecurities about if I was on the right the path, I couldn't trust myself to see it, although really it was always very visible and right in front of me...my fear of the unknown led to me doubting myself, but after realizing where Alice sat and it was her, not anything real that was bringing my insecurity, I saw that I didn't need to insecure....it allowed me to stop doubting myself!
I see the doubts for what they are now, road blocks on my path to my higher self, completely unnecessary road blocks.....that's all I needed to see to let go of my doubts!!
So hopefully people will see their doubts are not real like I did by understanding Alice's energy! When they are able to see how the Alice energy affects them, they can change the energy to a more positive energy by allowing Alice to take them to a new place, allow her to see a new 'reality', a reality where she wakes up and instead of being insecure she sees she is a strong person, and even stronger after all she has experienced...allowing her to appreciate and validate herself and all she's been through.

posted February 08, 2014 07:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
She probably needs a lot of reassurance and validation that she was actually hurt and has the right to acknowledge it, and more importantly heal!

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Yes, exactly that!

posted February 08, 2014 07:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Planets on any angle give extra focus to that angle, you will learn much about your self esteem and self value through your relationships, you might feel like your not complete or your best without a partner because relationships help you see yourself better, they bring you closer to your Sun and your Sun is self value.

If your sun was on your IC, it would be family that brought you closer to your Sun, if it was on your MC it would be work that did.
If your mercury was on your DC relationships would be how you learned to communicate and learn how to better get across your thoughts and needs!
If your Uranus was on your DC, relationships would bring out your creativity, but also your desire for individuality and freedom...you would be prone to rebelling from the very thing that opened you up to needing individuality!
You would probably be in and out of relationships often!

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hmm that does help me reconcile the issue of whether these planets and their traits come through me or others. in fact, they can still tell me about myself but via others.